Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Is this scenario possible? i went to nhlscap.com but its just a mess - dont like the cap, never will Lock-up -Zetterberg Re-sign -Babcock -Filppula -Stuart Trade -Samuelsson -Lilja -Grigorenko -Kopechky -UFA to sign -Sundin/Fedorov *DAMN RIGHT* (huge impact player) -Gritty 3rd/4th line player with HUGE capacity and work ethic... any idea which player? What you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 I would not trade Sammy, he is definitely worth 1.2 million. No thanks to Feds and Sundin. I don't care about Lilja, for 1 million he is decent 6th dman. I would get rid of Kopecky asap. Sign all of these to long-term (3-4 years): Filppula, Franzen, Zetterberg, Hudler, Samuelsson, Stuart, Ericsson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 I guess its possible, but not likely. The lock-up and re-sign portions of your proposal could very well all happen, with Stuart being the being the biggest question mark (and probably the only one IMO). You can't trade a guy you don't have any rights to which is Lilja's case, and you never sign and trade a guy. Sammy won't be moved because he's a solid role player (not good on offense, but very good on defense). Why would we trade Kopecky when he makes practically nothing? Let's see how he handles this year and go from there. UFA's....perhaps Sundin to a 1-year deal, but I feel thats a stretch. With the direction the team has gone, I don't see them bringing back Fedorov. nhlscap.com sucks....use this site http://nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=DET - It's much cleaner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Is this scenario possible? i went to nhlscap.com but its just a mess - dont like the cap, never will Lock-up -Zetterberg Re-sign -Babcock -Filppula -Stuart Trade -Samuelsson -Lilja -Grigorenko -Kopechky -UFA to sign -Sundin/Fedorov *DAMN RIGHT* (huge impact player) -Gritty 3rd/4th line player with HUGE capacity and work ethic... any idea which player? What you think? The Wings would have to sign Lilja and Grigorenko before they trade either of them.Kenny has already said he wont sign Grigorenko and if they do sign Lilja it wont be just to trade him away. I think they go after one UFA forward and it could be Sundin or Fedorov but I would personally rather see a guy like Rolston come here. I doubt they do much on D unless the fail to sign Stuart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) Sammy never pass the puck and is worthless on offense Lilja is just horrible, you just can't keep him.. he is DONE, can't everyone realise that??? what about them canadian role players.. mccarty, downey, drake (retire??) ? will they get signed? And is there a high possibility they will keep "randoms" such as kopecky, hartigan etc? Edited June 10, 2008 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) Sammy never pass the puck and is worthless on offense Lilja is just horrible, you just can't keep him.. he is DONE, can't everyone realise that??? what about them canadian role players.. mccarty, downey, drake (retire??) ? will they get signed? And is there a high possibility they will keep "randoms" such as kopecky, hartigan etc? Guys like Draper and Maltby are also pretty worthless when it comes to offense but are great at shutting down the oppositions top line. Sammy trailed only Z and Dats this year for +/-, yet no one is calling for Drapes or Malts to be moved. IMO, Sammy just needs to be used correctly. He's not making much money and would be great as a third pairing shutdown guy alongside Drapes and Malts. Add Sammy to what already is one of the best shutdown units in hockey and viola......problem solved. Not only does he continue to play good D, but he'll chip in with the occasional goal here and there. Sammy never pass the puck and is worthless on offense Lilja is just horrible, you just can't keep him.. he is DONE, can't everyone realise that??? what about them canadian role players.. mccarty, downey, drake (retire??) ? will they get signed? And is there a high possibility they will keep "randoms" such as kopecky, hartigan etc? You didn't say anything about keeping him....you said the Wings should trade him, to which I replied "they can't" seeing as that he's an UFA this year. The Wings don't own his rights and therefore can't trade him. They could let him walk for nothing, but it wouldn't be the worst idea to have him around as a depth 6th Dman in case the injury bug hits. It's funny how quickly people forget what happened to the Wings on the backend during last years playoffs and how important it is to have enough depth if a guy goes down. Guys like Lilja can be invaluable if that happens given their experience. Edited June 10, 2008 by Never Forget Mac #25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 i wouldn't count out Feds. He was in Chellis in Dearborn on Sunday night apparently with his brother and the rest of the Wings... not that that means anything though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 i wouldn't count out Feds. He was in Chellis in Dearborn on Sunday night apparently with his brother and the rest of the Wings... not that that means anything though. I was a big Fedorov fan when he played for Detroit, and am not bitter about him leaving, but I don't really see why the Wings should bring him back. As great as he was, he's a 38 year old center on the decline and is becoming more and more injury prone. Besides, people can no longer use the "no Fedorov = no Cup" argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Guys like Draper and Maltby are also pretty worthless when it comes to offense but are great at shutting down the oppositions top line. Sammy trailed only Z and Dats this year for +/-, yet no one is calling for Drapes or Malts to be moved. IMO, Sammy just needs to be used correctly. He's not making much money and would be great as a third pairing shutdown guy alongside Drapes and Malts. Add Sammy to what already is one of the best shutdown units in hockey and viola......problem solved. Not only does he continue to play good D, but he'll chip in with the occasional goal here and there. You didn't say anything about keeping him....you said the Wings should trade him, to which I replied "they can't" seeing as that he's an UFA this year. The Wings don't own his rights and therefore can't trade him. They could let him walk for nothing, but it wouldn't be the worst idea to have him around as a depth 6th Dman in case the injury bug hits. It's funny how quickly people forget what happened to the Wings on the backend during last years playoffs and how important it is to have enough depth if a guy goes down. Guys like Lilja can be invaluable if that happens given their experience. I agree with that 100% and I have no problem with Lilja as a 6th or 7th D-Man. The problem becomes salary and playing time for the younger guys. Lilja made 1 mill last season and I can only assume he is going to want at least that next year. It doesnt make sense to pay a 7th that kind of money when we have some young guys who could do the job. If they cant then I think there are plenty of experienced guys out there the Wings could get for less money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sverige 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 i wouldn't count out Feds. He was in Chellis in Dearborn on Sunday night apparently with his brother and the rest of the Wings... not that that means anything though. Did you see him there? Whaa. Sergei come home!!!!! A little part of me will die inside if he doesn't retire a Red Wing. I know people don't want him back, but given the proper role (which he would in Detroit) he would be great. He could mentor a guy like Flip. People didn't think Dallas Drake had anything to offer this team last year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 I used to want Sammy gone, btu he was huge for us in the playoffs. As long as he's not put in a scoring role he's an amazing PKer and defensive forward. Keep him, especially since he comes cheap. Just fill in the 2nd line a bit more reliably. All we really need is to lose Lilja or Lebda (not sure which yet, they both have pros and cons), and to sign a scoring winger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Did you see him there? Whaa. Sergei come home!!!!! A little part of me will die inside if he doesn't retire a Red Wing. I know people don't want him back, but given the proper role (which he would in Detroit) he would be great. He could mentor a guy like Flip. People didn't think Dallas Drake had anything to offer this team last year... no, have you seen my location??? i was listening to 97.1 yesterday and there were multiple confirmations that he was there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaVel DaTsYuK fan13 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 I don't see room for a big splash in the free agent market this summer, the guys we have might not be the biggest names, but obviously they get the job done. I think the wings should just try to focus on locking up Flip, Hank, and Mule, and maybe landing a veteran grinder for the fourth line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 I don't see room for a big splash in the free agent market this summer, the guys we have might not be the biggest names, but obviously they get the job done. I think the wings should just try to focus on locking up Flip, Hank, and Mule, and maybe landing a veteran grinder for the fourth line. the could sign a big player but only on a 1 year deal. they have to resign Z, Mule, Rex and Sammy for the next season and you can guarantee pay rises for all of them if we keep them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Sammy never pass the puck and is worthless on offense Lilja is just horrible, you just can't keep him.. he is DONE, can't everyone realise that??? Where do people come up with this s***? Sammy does over handle the puck sometimes but it is always in places on the ice where he can't get the team in trouble. He is a solid player and it's just more typical Sammy bashing!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 I used to want Sammy gone, btu he was huge for us in the playoffs. As long as he's not put in a scoring role he's an amazing PKer and defensive forward. Keep him, especially since he comes cheap. Just fill in the 2nd line a bit more reliably. All we really need is to lose Lilja or Lebda (not sure which yet, they both have pros and cons), and to sign a scoring winger. No, No, No....that would make way too much sense to put him in the *proper* role on this team. We obviously just need to move him! [/sarcasm] This is exactly what I was saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 When was the last time the Red Wings made a big splash in the UFA market? 02? That was before the cap, now with the Cap I don't see Holland making a big splash. He will find out what he has to work with in TC, then make the necessary move. I have a question though, how is it that a fan wanting a player back because he likes them is justifying why a team should bring said player in. Feds is more than likely never coming back to the Wings. Get used to the idea, how many players ever go back to a team that they left in a tumultuous way. Whether you blame Feds or the Org the way he left was not conducive to his returning, and the Wings have shown that moving forward is there new MO. Besides the Mac deal, which imo was only doable because he cost them nothing and if it didn't work so be it. I see the wings signing Stuart and Cheli as UFA's, trading Sammy and Lebda for a 4th liner like Drake. The forward lines looking something like this: ZDH Mule Flip Hudler Cleary Draper Maltby Abdelkader Helm Kopecky/Mac/Downey Defense: Ralf Lids Stuart Kronwall Ericsson Cheli/Quincey/Meech There really is no need to sign a Feds or especially Sundin. This team is heavy down the middle, the young guys are looking really good, the playoff success that Mule, Flip, and Hudler experienced should make them better players, they all have now been deep into the playoffs and performed there. Feds and Sundin are not depth signings they will take away time from the young developing forwards. They only UFA signing I see the wings making is for a Ryan Malone type player. Do they make a play for a Hossa, sure what do you have to lose, but I doubt they land him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Now that you mention it fellas, I'd rather keep sammy than maltby if i had to choose between them... I would want draper 24/7 365days a year cause of his faceoff ability, killing penalties, and his stamina. I would still want that "big splash UFA" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) This is directed at all of the Fedorov "bring him back" crowd. We just won the Cup. Pardon my French but what the f*** do we need Sergei Fedorov for? Somebody mentioned that people didn't think Dallas Drake had anything to offer us. Yeah, too bad Drake was the kind of player we didn't have on our roster. A hard hitting, fiesty role player who can scrap. He definitely brought an edge we didn't have. What is Fedorov going to bring? He can play center or wing? Last time I checked we were just fine at both positions. The Wings have the best defensive forward group in the league, 2 selke finalists, a selke winner in Draper and Maltby. We have 8 forwards who can kill penalties. We have guys who can play wing or center in Franzen, Cleary, Filpulla and Hudler. Not too mention Datsyuk and Z. Why does the #1 defensive team need a 38 year old center when we have plenty of centers, plenty of wingers and all of whom are responsible defensively? It always amazes me how year after year people continue to want to bring Sergei back. I'll say it again, those of you who want him back want him back for selfish, personal reasons. And I'm totally cool with that. Just admit that that's why you want him back. Enough with the bulls*** about him getting revived here or we need him or he'll make us better. We don't need him. There's nothing he brings to the table that we don't already have in spades. Forwards-got em strong defense-got it veteran mentorship for young players-got it leadership on the ice and in the locker room-got it defensive depth-got it He brings nothing to the Wings that we need. Edited June 10, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 - Hudler will not be on the 2nd line . Put down the pipe - Abdelkador will be in Grand Rapids not the 4th line . - There will be no "splash" in the FA world - Cleary will return to form and the lines will be shuffled accordingly - Cheli wont retire and will be the 7th d-man - Stuey will buy into the Wings philosophy and take a $3.5 mill contract - Lilja wont be retained and Quincy will be the 6th d-man - Meech will be # 8 - Downey will score 50 goals in 50 games - We got Hella-Depth THAT IS ALL lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 - Hudler will not be on the 2nd line . Put down the pipe - Abdelkador will be in Grand Rapids not the 4th line . - There will be no "splash" in the FA world - Cleary will return to form and the lines will be shuffled accordingly - Cheli wont retire and will be the 7th d-man - Stuey will buy into the Wings philosophy and take a $3.5 mill contract - Lilja wont be retained and Quincy will be the 6th d-man - Meech will be # 8 - Downey will score 50 goals in 50 games - We got Hella-Depth THAT IS ALL lol I doubt we carry 8 D-men and Meech has to clear waivers to be sent down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 - Hudler will not be on the 2nd line . Put down the pipe - Abdelkador will be in Grand Rapids not the 4th line . - There will be no "splash" in the FA world - Cleary will return to form and the lines will be shuffled accordingly - Cheli wont retire and will be the 7th d-man - Stuey will buy into the Wings philosophy and take a $3.5 mill contract - Lilja wont be retained and Quincy will be the 6th d-man - Meech will be # 8 - Downey will score 50 goals in 50 games - We got Hella-Depth THAT IS ALL lol This made your post classic! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 I doubt we carry 8 D-men and Meech has to clear waivers to be sent down. holland stated that whats going to happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted June 10, 2008 I am already sick of this thread, and I'm only 5 posts in. "Trade Sammy." "I'd rather trade Maltby." Look, I had my doubts about Dallas Drake midway through the season, but the fact is our depth players stepped up in the playoffs, and did so big-time. Even McCarty had flashes of brilliance with Huddles and Helmer. There's not much I'd change about this team right now. We can improve in size (we all saw how well Stuart made Kronwall more effective), and even Lillypads was a solid (though he had his moments) replacement for Chelios. This team continues to move in the right direction. Be happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 10, 2008 I am already sick of this thread, and I'm only 5 posts in. "Trade Sammy." "I'd rather trade Maltby." Look, I had my doubts about Dallas Drake midway through the season, but the fact is our depth players stepped up in the playoffs, and did so big-time. Even McCarty had flashes of brilliance with Huddles and Helmer. There's not much I'd change about this team right now. We can improve in size (we all saw how well Stuart made Kronwall more effective), and even Lillypads was a solid (though he had his moments) replacement for Chelios. This team continues to move in the right direction. Be happy. Thing is all other teams will improve so you cant just sit back relaxing, and have the exact same team the next season and think the last season will repeat itself, Holland has got to aggressive or we wont be able to get that back-to-back cup. Just my 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
