Crazy Trade Idea

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Hudler is without a doubt the third most offensivly talented player on the team.

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I thought you had a very well thought out, cogent, and persuasive post, however, the player ratings on the site are not subjective at all. The ratings are entirely objective. The rating "is an index that is calculated by combining several player statistics such as points scored, plus/minus etc." and then weighted by TOI and other factors. You may disagree with the ratings, the statistics that they chose to use, or the fact that you cannot include intangibles but the ratings are entirely objective. They look at statistics and then apply them across the board to every player in exactly the same manner, thus making the statistics entirely objective, rather than subjective where the emphasis is on one's own moods, attitudes, feelings, or opinions.

Until you can explain how Johan Hedberg is ranked ahead of Chris Osgood based on statistics, posting that site is completely without merit. Hedberg beat Osgood in no significant statistical categories. He didn't even play more. All he did was face more shots. That DOES NOT make him a better goaltender.

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For the people who claim Hudler deserves second-line minutes, which player on the Red Wings are you going to take those minutes away from?

Mikael Samuelsson, Valtteri Filppula, or both. Neither has justified their presence on the second line over Hudler.

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...STUPID! We don't need another superstar, and whos to say he would fit in here? Sometimes TOO many superstars aren't very good, ask the Rangers. I know it worked out in 2002, but even without Hull and Robitaille, the Wings were good enough to win the Cup, in my opinion...

...Why get rid of Filpulla when he has been nothing but unexpected surprise after unexpected surprise? Plus he'll cost tons less in salary, even AFTER he is re-signed this season. These guys played so good together, why destroy the chemistry? What are we the Penguins? They didn't do it in 1997-98 and they repeated, so why would they do it now? I even think Hudler should stay around a while. And that is pretty big coming from me! The future is now and the future is bright, not only do we have a chance to repeat, but with the crop of kids coming up, we have a chance to compete for at least the next 5-8 years! No Trades! If you have to dump Kopecky, do it for a draft pick, same with Meech or Quincey...

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First off i was using a ranking system similar to Boxing does, (the winner of the round automatically gets a 10 and the other

boxer gets whatever number they feel was close to this), Making Thornton the Ten Standard for that situation, Since i didnt clarify that lets just throw out the numbers, and replace them with logic.

Kopecky is known garbage around the leauge and is projected by many to never be more than a third line banger. His offensive talents dont allow him to grow into anything really more than that, and if he was MISPLACED on a 2nd line on some team i would not expect his numbers to be remotley decent (try 15g 20A WITH PRIME ICE TIME)

Hudler, while talented no doubt, still remains on our 4th line because he has shown little defensive awarness, and is sitll masivvily undersized, both of these are problems keeping him from being good trade bait, despite his skills, and the worst part is his lack of size will never go away.

Are First rounder is closer to half the teams in the nhl's second rounder. we have the last pick, thats not exactly anything noteworthy.

In Short, would you trade your team captain and leading point getter for a forward with max potentiol of 50-60 points but ispureley one dimensonal and is not physical at all along with a slow developing player, whos type of play make him as expendeble as sticks, and a s***ty first rounder? NOPE

I'll agree that your projection of Kopecky being nothing more than a 15g and 20a guy in his prime. That seems reasonable. However, I will note that in 2005 in Grand Rapids he did notch 72 points. I doubt he in all his garbageness did that by accident. He does have some scoring ability. Whether that fully translates in the NHL we'll have to wait and see. Jokinen didn't have great numbers his first few seasons in the NHL. I wonder what people projected him to be in the early stages of his career.

Now on to your main point about the trade idea.

"In Short, would you trade your team captain and leading point getter for a forward with max potentiol of 50-60 points but ispureley one dimensonal and is not physical at all along with a slow developing player, whos type of play make him as expendeble as sticks, and a s***ty first rounder? NOPE"

It's not as simple as you make it sound. Florida didn't come to the table and say "it's time to trade Jokinen and let's make sure we get the maximum value in a deal. We are so sorry to have to let this honest model citizen go. Any team would be so lucky to have him they will give anything to get him."

That's not what going on here. This situation is more like "F#ck you trade me, I have 3 years left on my contract, but it sucks here, f#ck you trade me".

You have a disgrutal player who is tired of losing and wants out. This is the type of situation where a player will sit out of training camp will hold out until he is traded. Florida now has less bargaining chips to deal with.

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hi2u.... It goes Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hudler in terms of raw offensive talent

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MINNEAPOLIS STAR-TRIBUNE: Michael Russo reports there appears to be a difference of opinon between Wild GM Doug Risebrough and Brian Rolston over the latter's market value. Risebrough believes discussions on a new contract will continue but wouldn't reveal what he feels is Rolston's value. As for Olli Jokinen, Russo reports multiple sources claim Risebrough is very interested in the Panthers center but is unwilling to part with a young, up-and-coming player to land him.

SPECTOR'S NOTE: It's believed the Panthers want a good puckmoving defenseman plus at least a first round pick as part of the return for Jokinen. At that steep price they might not find much of a market despite the obvious interest in the talented Finnish center.

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That's not what going on here. This situation is more like "F#ck you trade me, I have 3 years left on my contract, but it sucks here, f#ck you trade me".

You have a disgrutal player who is tired of losing and wants out. This is the type of situation where a player will sit out of training camp will hold out until he is traded. Florida now has less bargaining chips to deal with.

This is a situation in which if Florida decides to trade him, many teams will be interested and Florida will most certainly NOT be forced to resort to a crap trade like the one you're proposing.

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hi2u.... It goes Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hudler in terms of raw offensive talent

ok, maybe Hudler is 3rd in terms of "raw offensive talent" whatever that is, but for some reason our coaching staff has decided that he isn't as high as you say and he plays limitied minutes. I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I think he is a great player. But if he is 3rd in "raw offensive talent" why isn't he replacing Holmstrom on the 1st line or Samuelsson on the 2nd line?

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This is a situation in which if Florida decides to trade him, many teams will be interested and Florida will most certainly NOT be forced to resort to a crap trade like the one you're proposing.

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ok, maybe Hudler is 3rd in terms of "raw offensive talent" whatever that is, but for some reason our coaching staff has decided that he isn't as high as you say and he plays limitied minutes. I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, I think he is a great player. But if he is 3rd in "raw offensive talent" why isn't he replacing Holmstrom on the 1st line or Samuelsson on the 2nd line?

he's not swedish

if they break up the flying circus next year i can see great lines being

fil/dats/holm

franz/Z/hudler

cleary/draper/sammy

malts/helm/kopecy-bigmac

i would bet if hudler gets regular time n a 2nd line he will put up 70-80- points this season...

just remember you heard it here first

but as an above poster said, i think we should worry about resigning flipper and stuart and not worry about bringing in any new talent...maybe sundin if ONLY for the motivational "lets win matts a cup and send him out on top" mentality in the dresing room, but aye no new forwards we got plenty and i want to see if this leino guy is any good and can crack the lineup