McCarty offered contract

[YoungGuns1340 1]

You are right, his name on paper isn't enough. But when he drops the gloves and pummels someone they get the point. Or even if he goes toe to toe and it is a draw, people get the idea.

Downey knew when to fight and when not to fight. He never backed down from anyone and always held his own. He was called the perfect teammate on many occasions. I would LOVE to have him on this team.

Hey. I love Downey too. All I'm saying is this team upgraded its skill with Hossa, so I would like to see an upgrade in the physicality of a guy or two. As if being the reigning Stanley Cup Champs with an almost fully skilled roster wasn't enough, adding Hossa only pisses the rest of the league off more.

If Downey is what Kenny comes back with, I'll take it. But I'd like to see them exhaust the possibilities of something a little more fierce or a little more regular (and not in the metamucil sense). Or both.

[Majsheppard 203]

I am sorry but if DMac doesn't take the one way deal, he is a fool. Downey could make it with another team.

[LIDDYGIBBY5 1]

Hey. I love Downey too. All I'm saying is this team upgraded its skill with Hossa, so I would like to see an upgrade in the physicality of a guy or two. As if being the reigning Stanley Cup Champs with an almost fully skilled roster wasn't enough, adding Hossa only pisses the rest of the league off more.

If Downey is what Kenny comes back with, I'll take it. But I'd like to see them exhaust the possibilities of something a little more fierce or a little more regular (and not in the metamucil sense). Or both.

I think the biggest concern is the cap. I see a lot of names thrown around but they will cost more than Downey. I would like a guy that does more than enforce, but that costs a lot of money.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I think the biggest concern is the cap. I see a lot of names thrown around but they will cost more than Downey. I would like a guy that does more than enforce, but that costs a lot of money.

The MLive article is around here somewhere, but Holland directly says in the article that Lilja is an insurance policy, and that they'll look to move him if the young kids perform well enough to get the spot over Lilja. Thats VERY likely. Which is why a Lilja (1.25M) for Neil (1.1M) deal would make sense.

Although GMR would likely stop being a wings fan...

[detroit4life 0]

Fighting ability = zero contribution to the team. This isn't mutant league hockey (sega genesis reference) where the loser of the fight gets an extra penalty. It's irrelevant besides the sake of entertainment purposes. I'll take the better hockey player over the better fighter, regardless if they are both trying to fill the enforcer position.

My vote for dumbest post of 2008. All in favour??

[uk_redwing 495]

Carcillo or Barch or Brashear on the roster, but was a healthy scratch, another teams agitator is still going to be well aware of the fact that if he does something of consequence, he'll have to answer to the Red Wings enforcer the next time they meet.

Apart from the fact Carcillo and Barch are MW's...Ive forgotten you're point.

Downey is a heavyweight, who made his reputation from knocking someone out in one punch. Thats a scary reputation. Ever wondered why there were only 2 noticable cheapshots on the wings this year? (The one on Drake, cant remember who did it; and Lappy...)

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

So we can only sign players from free agency? My bad. I forgot there was a restriction against trading players, especially when you have a crowded roster.

There hasn't been alot of Enforcer Trades lately, Most teams seem to be content with there Heavies. Shelly and McGrattan were the exception to the rule, Because they had feisty kids waiting in the wing and they were disposable.. not all teams have that luxury.

I am sorry but if DMac doesn't take the one way deal, he is a fool. Downey could make it with another team.

Mac owes Detroit.. If he doesn't take that 2 way he is thinking a little to highly of himself.. He wouldn't even be in discussion if it wasn't for detroit.

Downey has reason to want a 1way he proved his worth, And he could find himself on a different teams roster and being able to run loose without the short leash like he has here.

Edited July 5, 2008 by Dump-N-Thump

[Superman54 91]

As Holland stated, we will probably be seeing a trade sometime in september, after he evaluated all of his defensemen. I think thats when we just might see our heavyweight come in.

[therock48880 14]

Didn't watch the 2nd round against Colorado? Wings up 4-0 and Cody McCormick steps up. What happens if no one squares off with the kid, and he takes a run at Dats or Z and possibly injures them?

Watched every second of every game they played this postseason. I think you may have been misunderstanding me. You will have a hard time finding a person who is more in favor of having an enforcer (or two) on the team. I was responding to a poster about one reason that Mac was dressed instead of Downey in the playoffs. Downey pretty much does two things well, he can fight and he can hit. He has hands of stone and simply can't score. I admit, in the playoffs, a more well-rounded player is needed because there aren't nearly as many fights. The Wings had one fight in 22 playoff games as opposed to averaging one every four games in the regular season. My point was that since McCarty is has more hockey skills, he dressed instead of Downey. During the regular season, though, I'd like two of them to dress. With Hossa teams will be taking runs at the Wings all year long. Can you imagine Dallas now? Idiot Ott and now Avery too? Someone needs to be out there policing those morons.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Apart from the fact Carcillo and Barch are MW's...Ive forgotten you're point.

Downey is a heavyweight, who made his reputation from knocking someone out in one punch. Thats a scary reputation. Ever wondered why there were only 2 noticable cheapshots on the wings this year? (The one on Drake, cant remember who did it; and Lappy...)

Who cares if hes a heavyweight or not? I doubt the Wings are more concerned about a guy like Janssen who wont even be playing the Wings if the Blues really want to win, then they are about Torres, Tootoo, etc.

[therock48880 14]

As Holland stated, we will probably be seeing a trade sometime in september, after he evaluated all of his defensemen. I think thats when we just might see our heavyweight come in.

But, if you're just going to get a guy to fight, then you may as well have Downey at the league minimum. Unless you can unload a Lilja (I wish Maltby hadn't been signed to an extension last year) for a tough guy. I'd take Neil in a heartbeat but I don't think he would be much of a detriment to the goofballs in Dallas or Colorado.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Apart from the fact Carcillo and Barch are MW's...Ive forgotten you're point.

Downey is a heavyweight, who made his reputation from knocking someone out in one punch. Thats a scary reputation. Ever wondered why there were only 2 noticable cheapshots on the wings this year? (The one on Drake, cant remember who did it; and Lappy...)

You could try quoting my entire post for starters, instead of quoting me mid-sentence. Logical statements too complex to get across to you?

Actually Downey has more of a reputation for THIS more than anything

Edited July 5, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[therock48880 14]

Who cares if hes a heavyweight or not? I doubt the Wings are more concerned about a guy like Janssen who wont even be playing the Wings if the Blues really want to win, then they are about Torres, Tootoo, etc.

When the Wings are up 5-0 on these guys (which will happen quite often this year, I think) it will be extremely important to have someone that can go out there and go with a guy like Janssen or King. I really don't want those beasts out there stalking Datsyuk, Z, and Hossa knowing that there is no one on the bench that will stand up to them.

[uk_redwing 495]

You could try quoting my entire post for starters, instead of quoting me mid-sentence. Logical statements too complex to get across to you?

Actually Downey has more of a reputation for THIS more than anything

Seriously.. I think we have a new contender for dumbest post of the thread!

There have been quite a few, who knows who will go home with the title.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

When the Wings are up 5-0 on these guys (which will happen quite often this year, I think) it will be extremely important to have someone that can go out there and go with a guy like Janssen or King. I really don't want those beasts out there stalking Datsyuk, Z, and Hossa knowing that there is no one on the bench that will stand up to them.

When the Wings are up 5-0 and Janssen and King are roaming, Datsyuk, Hossa, and Zetterberg won't be on the ice. And who knows if Downey will even be in the lineup.

Edited July 5, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[uk_redwing 495]

Who cares if hes a heavyweight or not? I doubt the Wings are more concerned about a guy like Janssen who wont even be playing the Wings if the Blues really want to win, then they are about Torres, Tootoo, etc.

You're talking about Downey not being intimidating enough to stop cheap shots, then you say it doesnt matter if they are a heavyweight or not?

You on crack?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Seriously.. I think we have a new contender for dumbest post of the thread!

There have been quite a few, who knows who will go home with the title.

Typical post from someone who can't come up with an argument.

I propose a name like Carcillo - a guy who can actually be a regular 4th liner - and you come back and make a comment about him being a MW. Who cares if hes a MW when he'd actually be dressed and in the lineup instead of sitting on the bench for 40+ games?

[uk_redwing 495]

When the Wings are up 5-0 and Janssen and King are roaming, Datsyuk, Hossa, and Zetterberg won't be on the ice. And who knows if Downey will even be in the lineup.

Haha this guy gets better and better.

Guess what, that happened last season. And guess which line was out for the last minute of so? Thats right! Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Holmstrom.

Any other senseless ramblings you need to get off your chest?

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

Dun DUN DUNNNN

[YoungGuns1340 1]

You're talking about Downey not being intimidating enough to stop cheap shots, then you say it doesnt matter if they are a heavyweight or not?

You on crack?

Yeah. Because you either need an intimidating guy off the ice, or you need a guy who can respond AND play 4th line minutes on the ice. There is all of ONE player in the entire league who could play 80 games a year and pull 4th line minuts while being a heavyweight on this deep Detroit squad. And hes signed to a 3 year contract already.

So, as such, you either go with the best of the best to sit it out, or you go with a MW or even a semi-enforcing agitator who can play 80 games and take care of the Tuckers, Tootoos, Averys, etc.

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

Lets get a Pest/Agitator who can play 82 games "Avery,Tooto,Carcillo" mold.

and a 40+ game HW who can come in and goon it up against the real goon squad teams..

prolem solved

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Haha this guy gets better and better.

Guess what, that happened last season. And guess which line was out for the last minute of so? Thats right! Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Holmstrom.

Any other senseless ramblings you need to get off your chest?

What are you talking about? At what point? Do you mean the game where the Red Wings beat the Blues 5-0 and King was a healthy scratch? Was it that game?

[therock48880 14]

When the Wings are up 5-0 and Janssen and King are roaming, Datsyuk, Hossa, and Zetterberg won't be on the ice. And who knows if Downey will even be in the lineup.

C'mon, you and I both know that's not going to happen. Early third period, Wings have a lead on the road and Babs is going to bench Dats, Z, and Hossa? Their minutes would be cut, no doubt, but to say they wouldn't be on the ice is silly. BTW, I'd take Carcillo too, for the right price. The "problem" is that the Hossa signing has the Wings up against the cap. You're right, ideally, a big fourth liner that could fight and contribute offensively would be great, but that's going to be difficult to pull off. I'd take Downey at 500k over a guy like Laraque at 1.2 in the current financial situation the Wings have.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Lets get a Pest/Agitator who can play 82 games "Avery,Tooto,Carcillo" mold.

and a 40+ game HW who can come in and goon it up against the real goon squad teams..

prolem solved

I was never against that. What I am against however is just signing Downey and having him sit out half the season and then have no one else on the ice for the other 40 games that can throw down and only Downey on paper to secure some revenge.

Ideally Detroit trades Sammy or Lilja for a guy like Neil and then brings back Downey or Dmac (and yeah, I actually do prefer Downey) so that we have all bases covered.

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

i wouldn't complain if like.. our 5-6 pairings on D and our 3rd liners would pitch in in the FT every who and a ha..