edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 10, 2008 Here is a kid that personifies the self-deception of Pens fans, watch as he plays a clip, the clip says nothing about staying in Pittsburgh, and the kid says see he was alluding to staying with the Pens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIzu1FvCPZ4 Good find. Hossa chose his words VERY carefully there. He never once said that he would take less money to stay in Pittsburgh specifically, but that, within reason, he would take less money to sign with a "great team". As I mentioned in my previous post, he probably say Shero selling off/trading away integral cogs of the '08 Cup run and realized, "Hmm, this may not be a 'great' team next season..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 10, 2008 Since when are sports fans rational? You can come up with a hundred reasons why Pens fans shouldn't despise Hossa, but it won't affect how they feel about it one iota. Sports fans are visceral creatures, not generally members of Mensa. (Except me, of course.) Hey, me am good smrt too! Yeah, as sports fans, reason does tend to kind of fly out the window. Hell, I had a discussion with my wife the other day after watching 'The Two Coreys' how after mercilessly bashing a player online, I feel guilty afterward because god forbid he reads the comments (in that episode of TTC, Corey Haim reads some not so flattering comments about himself on a paparazzi website and becomes upset). We let our emotions get the best of us and forget that these players are people just like us. *shrug* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 10, 2008 Hey, me am good smrt too! Yeah, as sports fans, reason does tend to kind of fly out the window. Hell, I had a discussion with my wife the other day after watching 'The Two Coreys' how after mercilessly bashing a player online, I feel guilty afterward because god forbid he reads the comments (in that episode of TTC, Corey Haim reads some not so flattering comments about himself on a paparazzi website and becomes upset). We let our emotions get the best of us and forget that these players are people just like us. *shrug* Would this be a good time to come forward and admit to everyone here that I actually am Andreas Lilja? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inultus 12 Report post Posted July 10, 2008 Even as a rental, I understand that they're upset because he is a good player and they don't have him anymore. But, they're upset, so what? Doesn't really matter to me. We're better now and they're worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spider29 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2008 I can see why the Pens fans are angry, but I'd have a hard time getting worked up about a guy who spent a total of 32 games in a Pittsburgh uniform. But that's just me. They hate Hossa because he gave the Pens a verbal comittment to sign a deal long term with the organization and reniged. Hossa and his agent stressed that the length of the contract was the most important factor in their decision so the Pens final offer was 7 years at 52 million dollars. Hossa and his agent never mentioned the possibility of a one year deal with the Pens, the Pens were told by Hossa that they were his top choice. He burned some serious bridges with the Pens and their fans! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertWing 11 Report post Posted July 10, 2008 On a side note, I was perusing the LGP message board. There is a thread about "which team do you hate the most". A Red Wings' fan posted that he hates the Penguins and some PIT fans came back and criticized him, saying things like "how can you hate the Penguins? We've only played you once in the playoffs." Yet, you look at the poll results and (as of yesterday) Detroit had the second highest number of votes for who they hate the most. Hypocrisy at it's finest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted July 10, 2008 I think the anger is misdirected. Direct it at Pens management who has failed to build a team for the long term. One super star (let alone another one who was a big no show in the finals) does not get you the big silver Cup. Never has, never will. Hossa recognized both teams for what they were and picked the better prospect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 10, 2008 I think the anger is misdirected. Direct it at Pens management who has failed to build a team for the long term. One super star (let alone another one who was a big no show in the finals) does not get you the big silver Cup. Never has, never will. Hossa recognized both teams for what they were and picked the better prospect. Well said! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.OWingsFan 7 Report post Posted July 10, 2008 Last season Detroit made the Western Conference Finals with a depleted lineup (no Schneider or Kronwall). They were within 47 seconds of going up 3-1 on Anaheim in the series when a fortuitous bounce off Lidstrom's stick (out of all people!) ties the game and with guys like Lilja having to log minutes because of 2 of the top 4 dmen being injured, well....do the math. So Anaheim, which was a VERY emotional series (including a 5-0 blowout and a Pronger suspension) ends and Anaheim wins the cup. Then Burke signs Matt Schneider and Todd Bertuzzi from Detroit. Granted Bertuzzi didn't do much of anything here, but basically this was Shawn Matthias going *bye bye* for Wings fans. Hard to take but we never complained that much. Schneids was an integral part of our blueline for years. His rocket of a shot a powerplay speciality for us. And he goes to the team that beat us to win the cup. Hard pills but we never complained as much as Pit fans have with Hossa. It seems winning all these #1 picks has made Lemieux and his fans accustomed to getting their way. My advice to Pit fans would be to leave Hossa to do his own thing and just thank your lucky stars you lucked out and were awarded Crosby and Malkin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 11, 2008 Would this be a good time to come forward and admit to everyone here that I actually am Andreas Lilja? Oooooh, awkward... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwings1914 18 Report post Posted July 11, 2008 Would this be a good time to come forward and admit to everyone here that I actually am Andreas Lilja? So THATS why his head never seems to be in the game, he's always blogging in the GDT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwings1914 18 Report post Posted July 11, 2008 Would this be a good time to come forward and admit to everyone here that I actually am Andreas Lilja? So THATS why his head never seems to be in the game, he's always blogging in the GDT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STK 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2008 How do you make Therrien out to be a "Damn Good Coach." Because he made the finals once. Wouldn't that make Bob Hartley a good coach? What about Ken Hitchcock, he won a cup but I don't think that makes him a good coach. He was in the right place at the right time with Dallas. Therrien came into a situation where the Pens were on the way up already. You don't have to be a great coach with Crosby, Malkin, and Fluery. I would call Bruce Boudreau a good coach. He took a team that was a bottom feeder and made the playoffs with them. The Adams award was well deserving for him. I would call Lindy Ruff a good coach. The Sabres roster is always unstable, he does the best he can with what little he's been given. I would call Barry Trotz a good coach, for the same reason as Ruff in Buffalo. Therrien took a team that was the worst in the conference, and came with a discipline unseen in the Igloo since Scotty Bowman. He knows what he wants, and he wins games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 11, 2008 So THATS why his head never seems to be in the game, he's always blogging in the GDT! Well, if Lids would give me some godd*mn playing time it wouldn't be a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted July 11, 2008 Great post to this day i still have bitterness towards fedorov about going to the duckies I dont because they got Ray Whitney to replace him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted July 11, 2008 Well, if Lids would give me some godd*mn playing time it wouldn't be a problem. haha they must have good wifi in the locker room Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 12, 2008 Therrien took a team that was the worst in the conference, and came with a discipline unseen in the Igloo since Scotty Bowman. He knows what he wants, and he wins games. So by that logic, John Stevens is a "great" coach too...minus the whole "discipline" thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2008 Therrien took a team that was the worst in the conference, and came with a discipline unseen in the Igloo since Scotty Bowman. He knows what he wants, and he wins games. Really? So Crosby, Malkin and Fluery wouldn't be as good as they are now without Therrien? And where do you get this discipline from? Pittsburgh had no adversity in the playoffs until they played Detroit. Two games shut out, they run Osgood, punch Franzen in the head multiple times, and play terrible hockey. Malkin was nowhere to be seen in the finals, and only a couple players even bothered to show up. When Pittsburgh was down 3-1, the "disciplined" Crosby skated towards Zetterberg and started whining. I suppose Therrien is to compliment for that seeing as how he placed the blame on everyone excect him and his team (see: obstruction) and wasn't able to provide any real fire after game 3. I'm sorry but how exactly can you compliment Therrien for that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
