Doggy 130 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 And you must have been only watching the Dallas series. Did you end up watching that series? I thought you weren't going to when Nashville tied up game 5? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Key Point #1: Sign Flip 2 year deal #2: Sign Mac and Downey to one way deals #3: Make Chelios retire #4: Package Samuelsson with Hudler for prospects MacLean, McLellan .... Potato, Potaaaatoe. Oops. Thanks for the correction. Yea, let's give away the guy that was the #4 forward in playoff scoring... The amount of hate for Sammy, Hudler and Lilja on this board is increadible. No matter what these guys do, there are people on LGW that biased against them.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 I'm also correct in saying a player of Drake's caliber is, when you get right down to it, less valuable than a player like Sammy or Hudler. You may not care for these two, but the guys you're billing as key pieces are lower on the totem pole. If room needs to be made for "toughness," then scrubs will be moved around, not Sammy or Hudler. Christ it will never end..... We win the Stanley Cup, lose 1 38 year old guy and the LGW board is back to "we need more toughness". Yea because when Drake and Mac wern't on the ice, we looked like a bunch of pansies. Move on already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Not really. Both are extremely replaceable. The key point is to sign Ericsson, Howard and Filppula. Filppula is safe until arbitration, but Ericsson and Howard could still be had via offer sheets- so they're absolutely key right now. Ericsson is widely regarded as the Wings most attractive prospect as far as other teams are concerned. No, Ericsson is not the Wings #1 prospect except on the LGW board and that is because he's big and on LGW BIG and the ability to hit or fight is everything..... Nobody is going to tender an offer sheet to a guy that has a total of 5 games of NHL experience. Be realistic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
19Hockeytown5 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Huddler is a good lower line player. I don't understand why some people think we should get rid of him. I like his potential and he did score one of the biggest goals of the finals...game 4 backhand in Pittsburgh. Sammy was HUGE in the finals as well. 3 goals people 3. I wouldn't want to trade him either. They are both great depth and cheap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UKWING 8 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 And you must have been only watching the Dallas series. no - i thought he was our worst d-man in the 1st 3 series. i was nervous every time he was on the ice and i was relieved when he was benched. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
19Hockeytown5 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Also Detroit may not have guys that will throw punches and fight...but make no mistake about it they are tough. They have players that will battle and fight in the corners. Babs has them finishing checks all over the ice. I can't think of anyone on this team anymore that shys away from contact. This team is tough, I thought the last 2 seasons had finally put that to rest...they will be FINE this year. There's all this talk about the pens learning and becoming stronger with expirence but there were alot of guys on Detroit who just had their first taste of the finals. They now know what it takes, and being that Detroit returns the same team (with MORE expirence) and Hossa....We are only stronger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 No, Ericsson is not the Wings #1 prospect except on the LGW board and that is because he's big and on LGW BIG and the ability to hit or fight is everything..... Nobody is going to tender an offer sheet to a guy that has a total of 5 games of NHL experience. Be realistic... I have to agree. Howard, Kindl and Mursak are well ahead of Ericsson in our prospect pool. Arguably Smith, Larsson, Abdelkader and Ryno as well. An offer sheet will not be offered to Ericsson simply because he's not worth the draft picks that will be foregone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anomalously 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 http://www.redwingscentral.com/prospects/ Nowhere except LGW? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Key Point #1: Sign Flip 2 year deal #2: Sign Mac and Downey to one way deals #3: Make Chelios retire #4: Package Samuelsson with Hudler for prospects MacLean, McLellan .... Potato, Potaaaatoe. Oops. Thanks for the correction. Not going to happen. There's not enough money or spots on the team for this. He'll offer both of them two-way deals (maybe only 1 of them will get this offer). The truth is a rookie, 20-year old Helm, got the nod in the SC finals over a far more experienced McCarty and Downy. If that's the case, McCarty has a very limited role on this team and should only get a 2-way offer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 I have to agree. Howard, Kindl and Mursak are well ahead of Ericsson in our prospect pool. Arguably Smith, Larsson, Abdelkader and Ryno as well. An offer sheet will not be offered to Ericsson simply because he's not worth the draft picks that will be foregone. He might not be the #1 prospect but he'll be in the NHL faster than all of the above. When Babcock, Bowman and Holland all say he's a top 4-dman, you know he's good. Babcock in particular seems to love this kid and we've all seen what that means. When Samulesson can score 5 goals in 22 playoff games and continue to skate on the 2nd line, imagine what his man-crush on Ericsson will do for him. Mursak sputtered greatly last season and Howard hasn't progressed the way they'd like. Kindl will be on the team in the next 2 seasons whereas Smith is probably 4 years away. Ryno also went back home for various reasons. Who knows how he pans out? Abdelkader is going to be a great checking forward but nothing more than that. At this point, Ericsson probably has more NHL shine to him than all of the above players mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Hmm...this whole site has gone back into "we dont need an enforcer" mode. Fair enough...wonder how coincidental it is the first time we carry an enforcer since the last time we won the cup is the first time we win it again? Hmm...I wonder... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 (edited) Fair enough...wonder how coincidental it is the first time we carry an enforcer since the last time we won the cup is the first time we win it again? Hmm...I wonder... I like having an enforcer, but this is reaching... The Wings never had a problem getting the President's Cup, with or without an enforcer. Downey did not play a single game in the playoffs. I think there are about 1,000 reasons the wings won a Cup this year. Carrying an enforcer during the regular season might be 997. I like having an enforcer, but it is not needed. What is needed, is for the team as a whole to step up their physical play in the playoffs - something they did not do under Lewis, and something they have done under Babcock. That is about 100 times more important than carrying an enforcer. Edited July 15, 2008 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Hmm...this whole site has gone back into "we dont need an enforcer" mode. Fair enough...wonder how coincidental it is the first time we carry an enforcer since the last time we won the cup is the first time we win it again? Hmm...I wonder... I'm not against an enforcer and I want one. The issue is that with our teams DNA, an enforcer doesn't fit in too well. We need guys who can scrap but can also play. The teams that won cups in the 90's didn't have a true enforcer but they had a lot of guys to stand up to cheapshots; Shanny, McCarty, Lapointe, Fischer - even middleweights like Rouse, Dandenault or Pusher would drop the gloves on occassion. Teams had a harder time taking liberties with that club because there was almost always someone on the ice that would take care of business if it did occur. With today's roster, you basically have Cleary and Stuart that will fight. And they don't do it all that often and they don't scare anyone. That's why teams will take liberties with our club throughout the year and why Holland would like to carry at least one enforcer - which is why I think Downy gets the nod. He's a far better fighter than McCarty and not as injury prone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dump-N-Thump Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Hmm...this whole site has gone back into "we dont need an enforcer" mode. Fair enough...wonder how coincidental it is the first time we carry an enforcer since the last time we won the cup is the first time we win it again? Hmm...I wonder... All we can do is keep a bookmark of all the comments people made about enforcers.. and once the reg season starts and they are complaining, bust it out and say.. hey now, you have no reason to complain you'd rather have your precious Kopecky,Hudler,Sammy,Draper,Maltby play instead.. and laugh at them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Joey Kocur for assistant coach! He's got the experiance they are looking for and is familar with the Wings. So why not? He kinda got the short end of the stick being Lewis' assistant coach... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Did you end up watching that series? I thought you weren't going to when Nashville tied up game 5? Touché no - i thought he was our worst d-man in the 1st 3 series. i was nervous every time he was on the ice and i was relieved when he was benched. I felt Lebda was much worse, but I'm not a big fan of what he brings other than speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilmickeyli 40 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Touché I felt Lebda was much worse, but I'm not a big fan of what he brings other than speed. but he is pretty good at drinking champagne through ties! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 No, Ericsson is not the Wings #1 prospect except on the LGW board and that is because he's big and on LGW BIG and the ability to hit or fight is everything..... Nobody is going to tender an offer sheet to a guy that has a total of 5 games of NHL experience. Be realistic... Ohhhkay.... did you watch Ericsson play this season? In his five game call-up he outplayed all our other prospects and put up a goal all while playing top four minutes and playing on the pp and pk. Did you know he was our only prospect to be picked for the AHL first allstar team aside from Howard? That he had the second hardest slapshot at the skills event? Or how about that he outscored all of our forward prospects as a D-man for almost the entire year? How about the fact that the hockey news is high on him, Babs, Stevie, Holland, Nill AND the most respected hockey coach in Wings history seems to fond of his potential. Hell- during the playoffs Babcock made it a point to mention how much he loved Ericsson in a press conference just because: "We have a kid named Ericsson, and I can't believe we don't dress him. I think he's going to be a stud in the league." *Sigh* How about this: I'll put $20 of my own money, Canadian dollars too- so they won't be devaluing over the next few years, on the line that says Ericsson will end up proving the doubters wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 15, 2008 Only on LGW will you find people paniking over replacing an old gritty winger with no scoring touch for a bigger, faster and far more talented ALL-STAR WINGER. As for Ericcson, I belive that within two years he will be a top 4 defenemen on ANY TEAM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 15, 2008 No, Ericsson is not the Wings #1 prospect except on the LGW board and that is because he's big and on LGW BIG and the ability to hit or fight is everything..... RWC seems to agree that he's the best we have down there. List here. Given that they're the #1 source for news on the Wings` prospects, I think their opinions are valid. Ericsson only did play five games this season, yes. However, he's also huge, he's fast, he's an AHL all-star, he has a 100+ mph slapshot. He's valuable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UKWING 8 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 I felt Lebda was much worse, but I'm not a big fan of what he brings other than speed. i have never been a fan of lebda but i thought he played very well throughout the postseason and certainly much better than chelios. but i guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 (edited) All we can do is keep a bookmark of all the comments people made about enforcers.. and once the reg season starts and they are complaining, bust it out and say.. hey now, you have no reason to complain you'd rather have your precious Kopecky,Hudler,Sammy,Draper,Maltby play instead.. and laugh at them. What the hell? Why would anyone here be complaining about finishing first in the league EVERY year with those players you listed? Yes, let's get rid of Draper, Maltby, Hudler, and Samuelsson because none of those guys have any value. I'm glad Holland has some common sense and doesn't follow your theory of more fighting/enforcers over actual production. Seriously, give it up. The Red Wings just won a frickin championship and they still aren't tough enough? Refresh my memory on the impact Downey had during the playoffs. The Flyers logo in your avatar is fitting. I know most logical people would gladly trade Stanley Cups for more fights during the regular season. I think the rational fans on here will be doing the laughing at the "we need more enforcers" garbage in every thread. Edited July 15, 2008 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 What the hell? Why would anyone here be complaining about finishing first in the league EVERY year with those players you listed? Yes, let's get rid of Draper, Maltby, Hudler, and Samuelsson because none of those guys have any value. I'm glad Holland has some common sense and doesn't follow your theory of more fighting/enforcers over actual production. Seriously, give it up. The Red Wings just won a frickin championship and they still aren't tough enough? Refresh my memory on the impact Downey had during the playoffs. The Flyers logo in your avatar is fitting. I know most logical people would gladly trade Stanley Cups for more fights during the regular season. I think the rational fans on here will be doing the laughing at the "we need more enforcers" garbage in every thread. So by not wanting an enforcer you're somehow a better fan are you? So lets see, you're a better fan by not wanting to have our star players protected throughtout the regular season? You're a better fan because you'd rather have that right wing 4th line spot taken up by someone who could score 4 maybe 5 meaningless goals in the season rather than someone who can ensure those on the top lines are in shape to be able to produce the 20+ goals that actually matter? Hmm...sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted July 15, 2008 What the hell? Why would anyone here be complaining about finishing first in the league EVERY year with those players you listed? Yes, let's get rid of Draper, Maltby, Hudler, and Samuelsson because none of those guys have any value. I'm glad Holland has some common sense and doesn't follow your theory of more fighting/enforcers over actual production. Seriously, give it up. The Red Wings just won a frickin championship and they still aren't tough enough? Refresh my memory on the impact Downey had during the playoffs. The Flyers logo in your avatar is fitting. I know most logical people would gladly trade Stanley Cups for more fights during the regular season. I think the rational fans on here will be doing the laughing at the "we need more enforcers" garbage in every thread. Actually the Downey think worked, so I wouldn't bring that up if I were you since it defeats your lousy argument. Downey played in the regular season and did his job, and in the playoffs he wasn't needed because of the opposition that we faced. That's perfectly fine with me. I think when most people scream for an enforcer, they want a guy who can play in the regular season rather than the playoffs. Of course, then the crazy anti-fighting posts like the one you just made come out and destroy the whole point of arguing. Our winning a championship had nothing to do with an enforcer being or not being in the lineup. When will some posters here get that through their thick heads. You act like Downey wasn't even part of the team this season. We just want toughness on the team because it's funner to watch and every other team has an enforcer. If you don't like fighting in sports, go watch basketball or baseball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
