More proof that Ovechkin is basically awesome

[Coolio Mendez 7]

Not to nitpick but I think the bolded don't really need to be in there. Doesn't Crosby getting more penalty minutes mean he isn't disciplined? And I don't believe that he is a sufficient captain. They gave him that C because of his talent, not his leadership.

How do you know this for sure?

At the age of 19 Crosby was told to bring the NHL to a new level. He was still a TEENAGER. How many 19 year olders can handle this kind of pressure. He's a smart kid and his comments are always appropriate, your always reading how immature Sidney is on the site but the fact nobody knows the facts. There's pressure on Sidney, the kind of pressure that comes from maybe being the best player in the NHL . But he wants to be part of the elite. He wants his face on commercials. He's not hiding. He's putting himself out there. The NHL NEEDS that. And taking, that's the responsibility that comes with being a marquee player.

So now.... please tell me why you think he only has the C because of his talent.

Edited July 29, 2008 by Coolio Mendez

[Doc Holiday 0]

How do you know this for sure?

At the age of 19 Crosby was told to bring the NHL to a new level. He was still a TEENAGER. How many 19 year olders can handle this kind of pressure. He's a smart kid and his comments are always appropriate, your always reading how immature Sidney is on the site but the fact nobody knows the facts. There's pressure on Sidney, the kind of pressure that comes from maybe being the best player in the NHL . But he wants to be part of the elite. He wants his face on commercials. He's not hiding. He's putting himself out there. The NHL NEEDS that. And taking, that's the responsibility that comes with being a marquee player.

So now.... please tell me why you think he only has the C because of his talent.

Show me some leadership and I'll retract it. But the way he acted in the finals didn't deem him very fit of a captain spot. Going after another player after losing is unbecoming of a captain and the pressure doesn't change that. If he is pressured then don't give him so much just because he is becoming one of the best players to play and the face of the NHL. I think it is great the NHL has a face to bring to the masses and I am glad for Crosby to be in the position he is. He is a great player and his team deserved it. But after his conduct in the finals that sways me away from thinking he deserves the C.

Its my opinion but you cannot lie that his talent plus the fact he is marketed more than any other player is a HUGE factor in the C.

And I'm not a Crosby basher. Just because someone critiques the new face of the NHL doesn't make him a hater.

Edited July 29, 2008 by Doc Holiday

[IceMunkee 15]

You must not watch hockey if you claim Crosby is just a 'decent' player.

All you people who are bitching that Ovechkin doesn't get the attention Crosby does...YOU are the cry babies.

Settle the f*** down - it still baffles me how worked up people get because they think Ovechkin doesn't get whats his. The guy is a multi-millionaire who couldn't care less what Crosby is doing right now.

Crosby is the 'face' of the NHL because Ovechkin looks like an ogre. He's Canadian and speaks perfect english, and I don't care if you think AO is better, they are both amazing players - so, if you were going to choose someone to market, who would you pick? A good looking Canadian boy who the ladies drool over and guys want to be? Or a mangled looking Russian who speaks broken english? Sure, its tough luck for AO and I like him as much as the next person does, but thats the way it works, and hey - they both get their millions. So whats the big deal?

I get so annoyed with all these Crosby sucks threads. I don't think there has ever been a player people ***** so much about, jesus.

This AO vs. 'Crysby' is such a tired argument, we all know we'd rather have Zetterberg anyways.

Dude i bolded this appearantly because you can tell everyone to f*** down and cry babies and s*** yet you will report to the Admin crews to get a well placed joke removed. I am sorry I did not know that there were untouchables in the LGW world, I guess everyone is politcally correct these days.

I don't know why all of you are up in arms about a couple people that do not swing from Crosby's boys!?!?!?!? Some of us just prefer AO over Sid.

BTW this thread was not a Crosby sucks thread until you created it. God forbid we recognize another player for his talents and joke about a comment.

I would rather have Zetterberg and/or Datsyuk! I kinda of like having the Champs over the compitition.

[omnipotent_hudler 0]

Sorry but this is the stupidest comment I've read all day. When Sidney Crosby singed with Pittsburgh do you think he choose to be the face of the NHL? One thing you have to understand is that Americans will not ACCEPT a European superstar. Call us stupid, small minded whatever we just won't. Thats a huge reason why hockey will never be big in the United States, there is NO American superstar who dominates the game, and Crosby is the closest thing to an American Superstar, (North American). Hence soccer, the most popular sport in the WORLD but no American superstar, means no American popularity.

wow yeah this is an awesome point, because clearly the nhl is doing so well with Crosby as the face of the league

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Dude i bolded this appearantly because you can tell everyone to f*** down and cry babies and s*** yet you will report to the Admin crews to get a well placed joke removed. I am sorry I did not know that there were untouchables in the LGW world, I guess everyone is politcally correct these days.

I don't know why all of you are up in arms about a couple people that do not swing from Crosby's boys!?!?!?!? Some of us just prefer AO over Sid.

BTW this thread was not a Crosby sucks thread until you created it. God forbid we recognize another player for his talents and joke about a comment.

I would rather have Zetterberg and/or Datsyuk! I kinda of like having the Champs over the compitition.

I didn't report anything to any admin. Jedi monitors this stuff himself. He deleted my comments back to you as well - not because they were childish, but because he wanted to rid the thread of everything relating to your comments in the first place. I guess you could just consider it a favour from Jedi.

[Coolio Mendez 7]

Show me some leadership and I'll retract it. But the way he acted in the finals didn't deem him very fit of a captain spot. Going after another player after losing is unbecoming of a captain and the pressure doesn't change that. If he is pressured then don't give him so much just because he is becoming one of the best players to play and the face of the NHL. I think it is great the NHL has a face to bring to the masses and I am glad for Crosby to be in the position he is. He is a great player and his team deserved it. But after his conduct in the finals that sways me away from thinking he deserves the C.

Its my opinion but you cannot lie that his talent plus the fact he is marketed more than any other player is a HUGE factor in the C.

And I'm not a Crosby basher. Just because someone critiques the new face of the NHL doesn't make him a hater.

I can't tell you what happens in the locker room, but I know his teammates love him. I'll even dig up quotes for you.

Eric Christenson

"We'd all love to be Sidney Crosby, but some of the stuff he has to go through, we'd all get a little sick of it. That's how any normal person would feel. But he just seems to handle it so well. He's the ambassador to the game, so he takes it all in stride."

Georges Laraque

"Everywhere we go he gets this attention. He's a great ambassador. Hockey is lucky in the fact Mario and Wayne were great ambassadors on and off the ice. Crosby is taking over from them. He handles himself really good in front of the cameras. We're just lucky the NHL has such a great kid to be the face of the NHL."

And I'm done with this thread were all entitled to our own opinions.

[Doc Holiday 0]

I'm glad he handles the cameras well but that doesn't exactly answer my question.

Good for him I suppose.

[Opie 308]

I can't tell you what happens in the locker room, but I know his teammates love him. I'll even dig up quotes for you.

Eric Christenson

"We'd all love to be Sidney Crosby, but some of the stuff he has to go through, we'd all get a little sick of it. That's how any normal person would feel. But he just seems to handle it so well. He's the ambassador to the game, so he takes it all in stride."

Georges Laraque

"Everywhere we go he gets this attention. He's a great ambassador. Hockey is lucky in the fact Mario and Wayne were great ambassadors on and off the ice. Crosby is taking over from them. He handles himself really good in front of the cameras. We're just lucky the NHL has such a great kid to be the face of the NHL."

And I'm done with this thread were all entitled to our own opinions.

How did those quotes answer any question about his leadership abilities, it answered his likability but not his leadership abilities?

The guys you quoted appear to be stating that he goes through a lot of s*** being the face of the NHL, ok, I agree that has got to suck, but what did they say that makes you think they think he is a great leader?

[IceMunkee 15]

I didn't report anything to any admin. Jedi monitors this stuff himself. He deleted my comments back to you as well - not because they were childish, but because he wanted to rid the thread of everything relating to your comments in the first place. I guess you could just consider it a favour from Jedi.

Well then I guess we can let sleeping dogs lie. It was meant as a joke, which I thought was humorous but we all have our own taste. I guess your are the grown one so I will take your lead. Just don't drop so many f bombs then call a *** joke offensive. Like Matt declared the *** bashing against the rules he also asked and enforcing the whole cussing absurdly for no reason.

Oh and Jedi is sweet if he/she feels my comments were wrong then so be it, I would just censor yourself a tad bit while cussing and jeering people that differ from your mindset. Something about glass houses and stones....

All in all we have two very talented players, I just believe OV is better.

[Coolio Mendez 7]

How did those quotes answer any question about his leadership abilities, it answered his likability but not his leadership abilities?

The guys you quoted appear to be stating that he goes through a lot of s*** being the face of the NHL, ok, I agree that has got to suck, but what did they say that makes you think they think he is a great leader?

Like I said before I don't know what happens in the locker room! From what I have seen it seems his teammates respect the kid.

Answer this, why do you think he's not a good leader? (Please don't answer, he's a cry baby, and whines).

[Opie 308]

Like I said before I don't know what happens in the locker room! From what I have seen it seems his teammates respect the kid.

Answer this, why do you think he's not a good leader? (Please don't answer, he's a cry baby, and whines).

When did I say I thought he was a bad leader, I don't think he is ready to be a leader yet, my reasoning is he is too young, certain things come with maturity. For instance the thing with Z in the SCF after getting owned. A more mature player (not all Hockey players are mature, lets get that out of the way) would have accepted being owned, walked away and came back the next game with a chip on his shoulder to then own Z. I think that was a lapse in judgment, doesn't make him a bad leader, that is just an example of him not being a good leader at that moment in time.

However, none of that changes the fact that nothing in the quotes you brought up has anything to do with him being a leader, so my question to you would be again, what about those quotes make the point you were trying to make?

If the point you were going for is that the players respect him and have empathy for him for having to go through all of the media/face of the NHL crap, then yes those quotes hammered your point home.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Like I said before I don't know what happens in the locker room! From what I have seen it seems his teammates respect the kid.

Answer this, why do you think he's not a good leader? (Please don't answer, he's a cry baby, and whines).

Why must we prove a negative? You are the one who stated his C was important to that list of yours.

I disagreed because of the fact he is the most marketed hockey player in sports, and is becoming the best player in the game today. I also mentioned his attitude after game 4 yammering at Zetterberg because he lost the game. That is undisciplined which in my opinion shows me he is not ready yet to wear the C for the leadership role.

[Coolio Mendez 7]

When did I say I thought he was a bad leader, I don't think he is ready to be a leader yet, my reasoning is he is too young, certain things come with maturity. For instance the thing with Z in the SCF after getting owned. A more mature player (not all Hockey players are mature, lets get that out of the way) would have accepted being owned, walked away and came back the next game with a chip on his shoulder to then own Z. I think that was a lapse in judgment, doesn't make him a bad leader, that is just an example of him not being a good leader at that moment in time.

However, none of that changes the fact that nothing in the quotes you brought up has anything to do with him being a leader, so my question to you would be again, what about those quotes make the point you were trying to make?

If the point you were going for is that the players respect him and have empathy for him for having to go through all of the media/face of the NHL crap, then yes those quotes hammered your point home.

Apparently the C is just too old for Sidney Crosby. Notice that there are many expectations of the Captain, but there is no specific age requirement. No matter what age or amount of experience people deem "too young" for captaincy, the fact of the matter is... the Penguins are Crosby's team. They were last season.

Most importantly, the people that count see Crosby as the one and only captain of the Pens: his teammates and the coaching staff. Those are the people that matter because they're the ones working together to win games.

I think the biggest thing is leading by example- Sid has done that. Also, Crosby is 20 but is ahead many years of his age in hockey sense.

Put it this way, there are probably many 20 year olds in the US that could run the country better than the leader we have.

The same can be said for hockey. I think Sid is and will continue to be a great leader for the Pens....every season he will mature even more.

So what do you think about Jonathon Toews named captain?

Edited July 29, 2008 by Coolio Mendez

[Coolio Mendez 7]

Why must we prove a negative? You are the one who stated his C was important to that list of yours.

I disagreed because of the fact he is the most marketed hockey player in sports, and is becoming the best player in the game today. I also mentioned his attitude after game 4 yammering at Zetterberg because he lost the game. That is undisciplined which in my opinion shows me he is not ready yet to wear the C for the leadership role.

That list was displaying Crosby's accomplishments, I didn't make it up.

Edited July 29, 2008 by Coolio Mendez

[Opie 308]

Apparently the C is just too old for Sidney Crosby. Notice that there are many expectations of the Captain, but there is no specific age requirement. No matter what age or amount of experience people deem "too young" for captaincy, the fact of the matter is... the Penguins are Crosby's team. They were last season.

Most importantly, the people that count see Crosby as the one and only captain of the Pens: his teammates and the coaching staff. Those are the people that matter because they're the ones working together to win games.

So, no, I don't think Sidney Crosby is too young for the C. I think the biggest thing is leading by example- check. Also, Crosby is 20 but is ahead many years of his age in hockey sense.

Put it this way, there are probably many 20 year olds in the US that could run the country better than the leader we have.

The same can be said for hockey. I think Sid is and will continue to be a great leader for the Pens....every season he will mature even more.

So what do you think about Jonathon Toews named captain?

Honestly the same thing I thought when Sid and Yzerman were named 'C'!

He is too young, but much like with Sid and Yzerman it will all be viewed in hindsight, what Sid is doing today could be nothing like how he is acting in 5-7 years, because of maturation.

I personally think that a Captain should be a guy who has been with the club for at least 5 or so years and if not on the club for that long at least in the league for 5 or more years. How can a kid (he is a kid not his fault, he is just lucky enough to be talented to be in the league at such a young age) that has been in the league for 3 years understands how the league works, he is still trying to figure out how he fits into the league. He is being forced to grow up very very fast, again not his fault, but being in that situation IMO and experience, a 20 year old leader is being set up to fail. All of the expectations and pressure are on him. He needs to be the face of the league, the face of his team, and then he also needs to lead the team, all of this and he is 20. If the team fails he will be the one blamed for it, if three or four of his teammates, older or younger, tend to be out of control on the ice or cancers in the locker room, it will be his fault.

In 10 years we may be calling him the best 'C' in the world but that is with benefit of hindsight, as of right now I think he is too young, not that I think he is a bad leader, I just don't think it was a good move. Says the guy behind a keyboard.

EDIT: BTW can I see a link or a quote that says anyone on that team thinks he is a great leader or the one and only leader, or is this something I should take your word on?

Edited July 29, 2008 by Opie

[Doc Holiday 0]

That list was displaying Crosby's accomplishments, I didn't make it up.

But you had it in there thus giving it significance. His C does not prove him as a great leader but more of his ability and his significance to the NHL. That was my point.

[Coolio Mendez 7]

Honestly the same thing I thought when Sid and Yzerman were named 'C'!

He is too young, but much like with Sid and Yzerman it will all be viewed in hindsight, what Sid is doing today could be nothing like how he is acting in 5-7 years, because of maturation.

I personally think that a Captain should be a guy who has been with the club for at least 5 or so years and if not on the club for that long at least in the league for 5 or more years. How can a kid (he is a kid not his fault, he is just lucky enough to be talented to be in the league at such a young age) that has been in the league for 3 years understands how the league works, he is still trying to figure out how he fits into the league. He is being forced to grow up very very fast, again not his fault, but being in that situation IMO and experience, a 20 year old leader is being set up to fail. All of the expectations and pressure are on him. He needs to be the face of the league, the face of his team, and then he also needs to lead the team, all of this and he is 20. If the team fails he will be the one blamed for it, if three or four of his teammates, older or younger, tend to be out of control on the ice or cancers in the locker room, it will be his fault.

In 10 years we may be calling him the best 'C' in the world but that is with benefit of hindsight, as of right now I think he is too young, not that I think he is a bad leader, I just don't think it was a good move. Says the guy behind a keyboard.

EDIT: BTW can I see a link or a quote that says anyone on that team thinks he is a great leader or the one and only leader, or is this something I should take your word on?

Sid's favorite player growing up was Steve Yzerman, it's kind of ironic how he was put in the same position to lead his team at a very young age. Me personally I hope to see Sid succeed, theres a huge load on his shoulder. I think if the Pitt organization gave the "C" to, say Gonchar, everyone would STILL be looking to Crosby as the team's leader. The expectations are so high for him that the C adds almost nothing to them.

Edited July 29, 2008 by Coolio Mendez

[Doggy 130]

But you had it in there thus giving it significance. His C does not prove him as a great leader but more of his ability and his significance to the NHL. That was my point.

Dude, would you argue with his coaches and teammates too?

This is getting ridicluous. The only reason that I can tell that you think he's is a bad leader is because you don't like him.

[Coolio Mendez 7]

Dude, would you argue with his coaches and teammates too?

This is getting ridicluous. The only reason that I can tell that you think he's is a bad leader is because you don't like him.

DING, DING, DING WE HAVE A WINNER JIMMY TELL HIM WHATS HE'S WON.

[Opie 308]

Sid's favorite player growing up was Steve Yzerman, it's kind of ironic how he was put in the same position to lead his team at a very young age. Me personally I hope to see Sid succeed, theres a huge load on his shoulder. I think if the Pitt organization gave the "C" to, say Gonchar, everyone would STILL be looking to Crosby as the team's leader. The expectations are so high for him that the C adds almost nothing to them.

And I think adding the C adds a very heavy burden, I guess it comes from perspective. I know when I was a Captain of my teams I took it as a much larger burden of responsibility.

He has enough worries with being a 20yo superstar face of the league, now he has to be a leader of his team, which is a very young team as well. IMO they would have been better served naming Gonchar. That doesn't mean Sid can speak up or be a leader in his own rights, but when they named him Captain, regardless of if he wants to lead or not he has to now, he has to conduct himself as the captain every night.

He has to get Malkin's legs that were "toast" motivated, he has to get the rest of the team to play with the heart and energy that Malone played with. Those are responsibilities of the leader, Stevie did that with his play, but he was almost always surrounded with a good veteran core that followed his lead even when he didn't speak up, but when he did speak up everyone listened.

I think if this is a team full of Gary Roberts, Mark Recchi, Shanny, Roenick and then the youngsters it would have been a much easier transition to him being the leader, he would also have a bunch of vets in the locker room to help police the troops so to speak.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Dude, would you argue with his coaches and teammates too?

This is getting ridicluous. The only reason that I can tell that you think he's is a bad leader is because you don't like him.

Until I see something that indicates that the coaches gave him the C for leadership instead of his talent and the fact he is the face of hockey today, I have every reason to disagree that his leadership abilities are the cause of it.

I think he is a great player and I believe he will become a great captain and a great classy player, btw, so I guess that ruins your whole "vendetta against Crosby" argument.

[Doggy 130]

I think he is a great player and I believe he will become a great captain and a great classy player, btw, so I guess that ruins your whole "vendetta against Crosby" argument.

I've seen this guy turn things around for his team single-handed plenty of times. First, if Crosby doesn't take control of game 3 - the Pens get swept. However, someone like you would say he was lucky and parked at the side of the net like a cherry-picker even though if Datsyuk had've done the EXACT SAME THING - you undoubtedly would've said he's a champion and much better than Crosby.

Crosby has won games for his team so many times it's not funny. He's the best leader on that team by mile. His coaches and teammates agree. That's why he wears the 'C'.

You should've heard the things said about him after his first training camp. Everyone was shocked. They expected a freakish player, but not someone to go out there and be more vocal than everyone else. Of course, someone like you would say he's vocal because he's a whiner right?

He rightly wears the C for his team and does it well. His coaches, teammates and fans are very happy with him wearing it so you're opinion doesn't really matter.

[Konnan511 1,736]

DING, DING, DING WE HAVE A WINNER JIMMY TELL HIM WHATS HE'S WON.

A Sugar Glider

[Doc Holiday 0]

I've seen this guy turn things around for his team single-handed plenty of times. First, if Crosby doesn't take control of game 3 - the Pens get swept. However, someone like you would say he was lucky and parked at the side of the net like a cherry-picker even though if Datsyuk had've done the EXACT SAME THING - you undoubtedly would've said he's a champion and much better than Crosby.

Crosby has won games for his team so many times it's not funny. He's the best leader on that team by mile. His coaches and teammates agree. That's why he wears the 'C'.

You should've heard the things said about him after his first training camp. Everyone was shocked. They expected a freakish player, but not someone to go out there and be more vocal than everyone else. Of course, someone like you would say he's vocal because he's a whiner right?

He rightly wears the C for his team and does it well. His coaches, teammates and fans are very happy with him wearing it so you're opinion doesn't really matter.

Seriously, what is with you personalizing this discussion? I have mad respect for Crosby and the only thing I did was nitpick a list.

I'm not going to bother discussing something with a person who is arrogant and acts like they know my opinion of someone. Seriously grow up.

[IceMunkee 15]

A Sugar Glider

I love sugar gliders.... Ever notice that Datsyuk kinda resembles one?