09-10 Number Juggling

[lfd250 1]

As Manny stated on ESPN, we trade Hossa for Farve.

[egroen 384]

Rafalski has a no-trade-clause anyways.

If it comes down to either Hossa or Filppula, well that is a very easy decision. But if it comes down to Hossa or Filppula + Franzen, that is much more difficult... and it is too early to answer that.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Wasn't that a 10year deal?

Rafalski signed a 5 year deal.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

The NHLPA has the ability to opt-out and re-open negotiations anytime after Sept. 15, 2008 until I believe 90 days before Sept. 15th, 2009, but it's pretty unlikely that will happen. If the NHLPA does not opt-out, then that adds an extra three years to the CBA.

QFT

I really don't see the players arguing against the CBA given the cash being thrown at 2nd and 3rd tier players.

[Opie 308]

I am not saying I want him traded or that he will be traded but here is a name to throw out there for trade bait to clear room.

Homer.

Hear me out, logically this makes sense.

Homer's 2.25 off of the books gives the wings some room (short term only) and if he is acquired by another team that would be an expiring contract for 09-10.

Franzen has shown the ability to do what Homer does, not as well as homer, however Franzen has more skill from the dots out, Homer (as much as I love what the guy does) is dots in. Homer is Luc/Igor slow. Remember how slow that line was.

Again I am not condoning the trade, but he does clear up over 2 mil and would garner some real attention.

BUT...

if it means trading Homer to keep Hossa, I am all for it!

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Ok... so Franzen's looking at a 3-4 million $ raise, Hossa would probably sign at the same salary, Zetterberg is looking at 4-5 million $ more and Hudler would get about the same as Filppula (so that's 2 million more). We can assume Kopecky, Sammy

Worst case that's 18.5 million extra Little Ceasers FunBucks.

A team of:

Datsyuk

Filppula

Cleary

Holmstrom

Draper

Samuelsson

Maltby

Kopecky

Lidstrom

Rafalski

Stuart

Kronwall

Lilja

Ericsson (no waiver exempt status next year)

Lebda

Meech

Osgood

Howard (no waiver exempt status next year)

That team would cost $44,533,667.

Let's assume the cap does not change (just to be conservative). We have $12,166,333 left to spend on Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen and Hudler. Given the estimate above of their collective salary increases that leaves the 09-10 cap hit in the red by 6.5 million dollars.

Kopecky and Lebda, while inviting candidates for a dump on the curb treatment, are so much cheaper than their cheapest replacements that dumping them would cost money.

Dumping Sammy for Helm would only save about $500,000. 6 million left to find. Switch a renewed Hudler contract for Abdelkader? That saves 2.26 million. So now there's only 3.74 million left to find. Dump Lilja for a league minimum Downey and you save another half million. That leaves only 3.24 million left to find.

If the Cap goes up by 4-5 million next season Quincey isn't retained, Hudler, Sammy and Lilja are let go in favour of Abdelkader, Helm and Downey, and Hossa, Franzen and Zetterberg all sign for 7.45, 5 and 7.65 million dollars, respectively, then the dream is possible.

Final roster would be:

Datsuyk--Zetterberg--Holmstrom

Franzen--Filppula--Hossa

Cleary--Draper--Abdelkader

Kopecky--Helm--Maltby

Lidstrom--Rafalski

Kronwall--Stewart

Ericsson--Lebda

Meech

Osgood

Howard

Edited August 1, 2008 by Drake_Marcus

[stud_defenseman 1]

It definetly is possible to get Hossa signed. Holland wouldn't be saying it if it wasn't possible. There are a number of factors invovled though.

1) The cap is going to have to go up another 5 million.

2) Holland is going to have to remain strong on his stance that no Red Wing should make more than Lidstrom.

I am fairly confident that Zetterberg would sign for 7.4 as long as he got a long term deal (6 years).

Hossa would possibly sign for 7 mill for having the chance to remain a wing. We would probably have to give him a 5 year deal though.

I doubt that Franzen will continue to pop in goals at his current rate, so I doubt his value will go much over 3.5 mill.

Maybe this is all wishful thinking, but i think it is a possibility.

[DMAC 25 18]

after this year if we win the cup i don't think hossa will sign again and as much as i want him to be in detroit i would rather see zetterberg back than hossa

[egroen 384]

Regarding Holmstrom:

It is not $2.25 million that comes off the books by trading him, it is much closer to $1.4 million. You still have to replace that body with someone, and most of our players ready to come up are making well over league minimum - closer to $800-900k.

For $1.4 million in cap space, it is absolutely not worth it to trade someone with such a unique skill set, but also someone who is pretty inarguably the best in the league at it. Cleary and Franzen are nowhere close.

And let's face it, I would absolutely dread having Holmstrom going against us!

The person it would make the most sense to trade is Filppula, especially if he does not justify a cap space of $3 million a year in the next year. Unless Filppula becomes a 50-60 pt player, his solid two-way play has more value to other teams than it does the Red Wings who already have a ton, in roster players and prospects.

At this point, I would rather have Holmstrom at $2.25 million than Filppula at $3 million - easily.

[Opie 308]

Regarding Holmstrom:

It is not $2.25 million that comes off the books by trading him, it is much closer to $1.4 million. You still have to replace that body with someone, and most of our players ready to come up are making well over league minimum - closer to $800-900k.

For $1.4 million in cap space, it is absolutely not worth it to trade someone with such a unique skill set, but also someone who is pretty inarguably the best in the league at it. Cleary and Franzen are nowhere close.

And let's face it, I would absolutely dread having Holmstrom going against us!

The person it would make the most sense to trade is Filppula, especially if he does not justify a cap space of $3 million a year in the next year. Unless Filppula becomes a 50-60 pt player, his solid two-way play has more value to other teams than it does the Red Wings who already have a ton, in roster players and prospects.

At this point, I would rather have Holmstrom at $2.25 million than Filppula at $3 million - easily.

Agreed.

While Filppula has youth/speed/defensive skills on his side - finding someone to score goals via re-direction/tip ins/banging in loose pucks while being accosted by the opposing Dmen, & netminder himself is invaluable.

Until Val becomes a 60 plus point guy - Homer is a better value.

Again I am in no way advocating trading homer, however in your scenarios who would draw more trade demand?

I think Homer right now, because he is bar none the best at what he does, Val is potential laden, Homer is proven.

[egroen 384]

For the same reason Holland signed him to $3 million, plenty of other teams would see the value of a solid, fast two-way player who can contribute offensively on the 2nd line. The Wings just happen to have a surplus of that type of player, but the rest of the league does not. Filppula would fetch a nice return, even if he did not significantly increase his scoring.

[Fireside 0]

Hossa is most likely gone after this season.

It would be great if something could get worked out but its unlikely.

Holland already offered him a multi-year deal that wouldn't put us in a bind and thats the same offer that Hossa will get after this year. Kenny will get Z and Mule taken care of and offer Hossa something based on what we have left.

Since Hossa turned down the multi-year we offered him earlier it sounds like he wants to win a cup, put up huge numbers, and then go get paid an insane amount of money next year.

Edited August 1, 2008 by Fireside

[Opie 308]

Hossa is most likely gone after this season.

It would be great if something could get worked out but its unlikely.

Holland already offered him a multi-year deal that wouldn't put us in a bind and thats the same offer that Hossa will get after this year. Kenny will get Z and Mule taken care of and offer Hossa something based on what we have left.

Since Hossa turned down the multi-year we offered him earlier it sounds like he wants to win a cup, put up huge numbers, and then go get paid an insane amount of money next year.

While you will probably end up being 100% right, after Hossa even ending up in a Winged Wheel, I am not eliminating any possibility!

[egroen 384]

Yup. Winning can certainly become addicting. We already have a good idea of what his market value on a Cup Contender is = Approximately $7 million a year long term. That was a good deal offered by the Penguins... but it is probably even better coming from the Wings.

If he likes being a Red Wing (it certainly sounds like he has been trying to become one for some time), is willing to buy into the system (ie. take a discount) and the cap continues to go up -- he very well might end up sticking around.

[Fireside 0]

While you will probably end up being 100% right, after Hossa even ending up in a Winged Wheel, I am not eliminating any possibility!

Me either. Like someone told me in another thread, no one expected him to sign a one year deal with us so who knows what will happen.

There's always a chance, especially if the cap rises by a few million or more.