Z looking to stay here

[Guest mindfly]

According to swedish newspaper Expressen, Marc Levine and Ken holland are discussing about a deal around 7.2M$ guess we wont see him under 7M$ then? =(

[Doogs 0]

I don't mean that Hossa SHOULD have any thoughts on what the Pens gave up to Atlanta for him to come here. Part of MY frustration (betrayal) is that we gave up alot to get him as a rental, where I thought it wasn't a rental. So, perhaps Shero deserves the scrutiny. I'm glad for the time he spent here.

For the record, I am not one of those people that believe that ANY player would ever pay my mortgage in a time of trouble, nor should they. Guys come and go. I speak from an individual perspective. My father was my hero, not a pro athelete. I'm just a fan.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

According to swedish newspaper Expressen, Marc Levine and Ken holland are discussing about a deal around 7.2M$ guess we wont see him under 7M$ then? =(

First and foremost, there was no chance Z was going to sign for anything under $7. Second, if that's the number they're currently kicking around, its beyond a steal when compared to plenty of players around the league. Staal is supposedly getting more than $8 million per and aside from his age, Z is superior to him in every way.

We all know that players must sacrifice money to be on the Wings but if Kenny somehow managed to sign Z long-term for $7.2 it would another absolute steal. Another great way of looking at this is what Datsyuk signed for. If $7.2 is the number, thats only $500,000 more per when the salary cap is well over $10 million more than it was when Dats signed. On top of that, Dats hadn't proved himself *yet* in the playoffs at the time of his signing and hadn't shown much of any hints that he would transform his game to what he did the past couple seasons (especially last year).

Kenny, if Z wants $7.2 long-term *right now*.....take it! We'll figure out Hossa, Mule and Huds later. Besides, that number would send yet another clear message to both Mule and Hudler (Hossa already took his paycut) about sacrifice because $7.2 isn't near what Z is worth on the open market.

[Spinner 6]

I was worried that Z would go out and do something that you didn't agree with and totaly screw up the deal.

:rotflmao:

Was there ever a doubt that he didn't want to stay in Detroit? P ye of little faith

[Spinner 6]

sorry , double post

Edited September 11, 2008 by Spinner

[dallas27 7]

I think one thing that may factor in for the timeline is that Z may give Kenny a chance to deal with Franzen and Marian (and Hudler!) to see what is possible to keep everyone. If they can all get together and find numbers that they are willing to live with and that fit under a cap, we're golden (silver).

Exactly. I was going to comment on how you can probably bet that Mule and Hossa will come up when Hank and Mr. Holland are discussing his contract. As much as I love Hossa, Mr. Holland has to drive into Hank's head that first and foremost he is the future of this franchise and wants to keep him as a career Red Wing. Although I'm sure Hank already knows he is.

[HenrikRules40 14]

I was worried that Z would go out and do something that you didn't agree with and totaly screw up the deal.

Mocking!

[Reds4Life 51]

First and foremost, there was no chance Z was going to sign for anything under $7. Second, if that's the number they're currently kicking around, its beyond a steal when compared to plenty of players around the league. Staal is supposedly getting more than $8 million per and aside from his age, Z is superior to him in every way.

We all know that players must sacrifice money to be on the Wings but if Kenny somehow managed to sign Z long-term for $7.2 it would another absolute steal. Another great way of looking at this is what Datsyuk signed for. If $7.2 is the number, thats only $500,000 more per when the salary cap is well over $10 million more than it was when Dats signed. On top of that, Dats hadn't proved himself *yet* in the playoffs at the time of his signing and hadn't shown much of any hints that he would transform his game to what he did the past couple seasons (especially last year).

Kenny, if Z wants $7.2 long-term *right now*.....take it! We'll figure out Hossa, Mule and Huds later. Besides, that number would send yet another clear message to both Mule and Hudler (Hossa already took his paycut) about sacrifice because $7.2 isn't near what Z is worth on the open market.

Yeah I agree. $7.2 million would be a steal. Hank could easily get 8.5-9 million a year if he decided to test the market.

[RainingBlood 8]

Unlike datsyuk since the wings are over the cap I dont think he can sign a new deal till the offseason. Please correct me if im wrong.

[therock48880 14]

First and foremost, there was no chance Z was going to sign for anything under $7. Second, if that's the number they're currently kicking around, its beyond a steal when compared to plenty of players around the league. Staal is supposedly getting more than $8 million per and aside from his age, Z is superior to him in every way.

We all know that players must sacrifice money to be on the Wings but if Kenny somehow managed to sign Z long-term for $7.2 it would another absolute steal. Another great way of looking at this is what Datsyuk signed for. If $7.2 is the number, thats only $500,000 more per when the salary cap is well over $10 million more than it was when Dats signed. On top of that, Dats hadn't proved himself *yet* in the playoffs at the time of his signing and hadn't shown much of any hints that he would transform his game to what he did the past couple seasons (especially last year).

Kenny, if Z wants $7.2 long-term *right now*.....take it! We'll figure out Hossa, Mule and Huds later. Besides, that number would send yet another clear message to both Mule and Hudler (Hossa already took his paycut) about sacrifice because $7.2 isn't near what Z is worth on the open market.

If he were to re-sign for 7.2 million right now, wouldn't his average salary count against this year's cap? If so, the chances of him signing a new contract before the end of the season are reduced. Hypothetically speaking of course.

[therock48880 14]

Unlike datsyuk since the wings are over the cap I dont think he can sign a new deal till the offseason. Please correct me if im wrong.

lol. You beat me to it.

[Reds4Life 51]

If he were to re-sign for 7.2 million right now, wouldn't his average salary count against this year's cap? If so, the chances of him signing a new contract before the end of the season are reduced. Hypothetically speaking of course.

No, it would not.

[Opie 308]

Unlike datsyuk since the wings are over the cap I dont think he can sign a new deal till the offseason. Please correct me if im wrong.

This year is a strange year when it comes to signing salaries, I believe they haven't decided whether or not to continue the CBA, so I believe ( I could be wrong, if I am some one will correct me) you have to be very careful with how much of next years salaries and bonuses you carry.

[therock48880 14]

This year is a strange year when it comes to signing salaries, I believe they haven't decided whether or not to continue the CBA, so I believe ( I could be wrong, if I am some one will correct me) you have to be very careful with how much of next years salaries and bonuses you carry.

You're right.

[Booster313 138]

No betrayed for the reasons I gave. He spoke a good game right up to the end about liking it here, playing with Sid and Geno. I think Winter is shady. Rumor has it he said if the Pens upped their offer, Hossa would have signed the next minute. We did, he didn't. Plus the guys we gave up. And then the topper in a recent article I read he said one of the reasons he left was because Detroit was keeeping their team together, and one of the reason we had to let Malone and other go was because we were trying to free up room to fit him in!!! AAARRGGGHHH!!!!

Believe me there were many folks, including me, that were pissed that Mr. Chong was even delayed for a second here in our city. That is a terrible stigma to carry.

Only if he gives a s*** about what your fans think. He made a decision in his heart he felt was best for him personally and professionally. As for what you gave up, I think the price was too steep for him at the trade deadline, although he did play an incredible game for you during the playoffs, but the price was set by the Thrashers and your GM agreed to it, Hossa didn't ask to come to the Pens.

[Doogs 0]

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Only if he gives a s*** about what your fans think. He made a decision in his heart he felt was best for him personally and professionally. As for what you gave up, I think the price was too steep for him at the trade deadline, although he did play an incredible game for you during the playoffs, but the price was set by the Thrashers and your GM agreed to it, Hossa didn't ask to come to the Pens.

Never said he had to give a s*** what we think. Never said that he asked to come to Pittsburgh. I was actually asking about his future in a Wings sweater. I logged on here, I know it is LGW.com/. I only brought up being a Pens fan to avoid a troll tag. I was genuinely looking for an answer from some Wings fans with perspective.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Never said he had to give a s*** what we think. Never said that he asked to come to Pittsburgh. I was actually asking about his future in a Wings sweater. I logged on here, I know it is LGW.com/. I only brought up being a Pens fan to avoid a troll tag. I was genuinely looking for an answer from some Wings fans with perspective.

Even though this probably should be in its own thread given that this thread is in regards to Z, I'll still answer your initial question, which BTW was a fair one. TBH, I'm not getting ahead of myself in regards to Hossa being on the Wings long term. While I think Kenny will do everything he can to keep him, I'm also not holding my breath if he doesn't. With Z, Mule and Hudler all up for raises and the uncertainty of where Hossa will end up if the Wings are fortunate enough to win it all this year, I think there are too many factors to make any real solid predictions.

Either way, I'm excited he's gonna be here this season and I can't wait for October 9th to get here.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

You must mean October 9th

Me too - can't wait for the season to start

Whoops....fixed.

[Dabura 12,232]

Not to be a downer, but this isn't really news. Hank is going to be a Wing for a long time, that's a given. He's the future face of the franchise.

The question is how deep his commitment to the franchise runs -- i.e., how much room is he going to give Kenny in regards to assembling the team around him? He's a class act who obviously wants to stay here and who now knows the feeling of ultimate glory (as opposed to personal victory), so I expect him to "let" Kenny try to get a feel for where guys like Mule and Hossa stand before getting down to his own contract -- because, of course, his own contract could make or break those guys' respective futures here. That's a big reason why I'm not so quick to write Hossa off as a one-year pickup...

[Guest nutz2u]

You must mean October 9th

Me too - can't wait for the season to start

Hell, I'm so hockey starved I'll be happy as a pig in s*** when training camp opens. Make that prospect camp, cuz I'm gettin real desperate.

[chrisdetroit 189]

If you go by Hudler's average TOI the difference in minutes that Franzen played this year would equate roughly 20 extra games.

I'm not knocking Hudler, I agree that he has done well with his limited ice time but Franzen had a break-out last 2 months of the season and playoffs.

It's like a switch was turned on and he suddenly started playing with confidence. He admits this came from him being thrust into the role when Homer went down to injury. Mule is a big guy with very good hands and when he plays with confidence like he did in March, April and May, he is an awesome player. I don't think anybody feels this was a fluke. The only question is wether he can keep up his confidence. I think that it's unlikely that he will go back to playing the way he did earlier - just my opinion.

Yes, Hudler was more productive most of the season but Franzen had a break-out which is something we are all waiting for Rex to do. If Franzen continues where he left off and Huds doesn't have a similar break-out the there is no comparison. I'd take the March-May Mule over Rex any day.

[Booster313 138]

Never said he had to give a s*** what we think. Never said that he asked to come to Pittsburgh. I was actually asking about his future in a Wings sweater. I logged on here, I know it is LGW.com/. I only brought up being a Pens fan to avoid a troll tag. I was genuinely looking for an answer from some Wings fans with perspective.

I didn't like the inferance that leaving pittsburgh would be such a terrible stigma. He didn't owe the city of Pittsburgh anything. He came at the deadline and played his heart out all the way to the last second, literally I might add.

To answer your original question, I think that Kenny will have to make some tough decisions this year, is it possible to keep Hossa, Z, and Franzen...YES. But it would require all the stars aligning as in the cap increasing and all three players signing for much less than they could get on the open market.

[Doogs 0]

I didn't like the inferance that leaving pittsburgh would be such a terrible stigma. He didn't owe the city of Pittsburgh anything. He came at the deadline and played his heart out all the way to the last second, literally I might add.

To answer your original question, I think that Kenny will have to make some tough decisions this year, is it possible to keep Hossa, Z, and Franzen...YES. But it would require all the stars aligning as in the cap increasing and all three players signing for much less than they could get on the open market.

Whoa, I guess that is where OUR discussion went south. The stigma that I was referring to was the one the City of Pittsburgh got for detaining Tommy Chong, not Hossa.

And I asked my question in this thread because I figured that Z would sign in Detroit, it would probably be for 7= mil, and I didn't think the Wing had the cap space for keeping the team together AND keeping Hossa. Z SHOULD be a Wing, if not send him here we'll treat him nice too!!!

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I'm not knocking Hudler, I agree that he has done well with his limited ice time but Franzen had a break-out last 2 months of the season and playoffs.

It's like a switch was turned on and he suddenly started playing with confidence. He admits this came from him being thrust into the role when Homer went down to injury. Mule is a big guy with very good hands and when he plays with confidence like he did in March, April and May, he is an awesome player. I don't think anybody feels this was a fluke. The only question is wether he can keep up his confidence. I think that it's unlikely that he will go back to playing the way he did earlier - just my opinion.

Yes, Hudler was more productive most of the season but Franzen had a break-out which is something we are all waiting for Rex to do. If Franzen continues where he left off and Huds doesn't have a similar break-out the there is no comparison. I'd take the March-May Mule over Rex any day.

You'll see it this season. If Babs sticks with his plan of Huds-Z-Mule, that line will click and you'll see a whole new level of numbers coming from Rex.