Leino draws praise at 2nd day of Camp

[HockeytownRules19 902]

Great news in the article all the way around! I hope Leino turns into a stud!

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...ilppula_gi.html

[Dabura 12,232]

Good stuff. I know I've been "bashing" him a bit, but honestly, I'd love to see Leino make the cut -- as long as he's up the challenge, that is.

[Dabura 12,232]

Also, something that hadn't occurred to me earlier: while it doesn't sound like there's any question that Downey's hit was an unnecessary blindside, perhaps Draper "went ballistic" (as opposed to, you know, "getting upset") because of the Lemieux hit. Not saying Draper was in the wrong, just that that probably factored into his reaction.

Another consideration: Draper's anchoring the fourth line...and Downey's battling for a spot on that line...and Draper is, of course, close with Mac...and it sounds like Leino showed up to play...

[Earthhuman 8]

Also, something that hadn't occurred to me earlier: while it doesn't sound like there's any question that Downey's hit was an unnecessary blindside, perhaps Draper "went ballistic" (as opposed to, you know, "getting upset") because of the Lemieux hit. Not saying Draper was in the wrong, just that that probably factored into his reaction.

Another consideration: Draper's anchoring the fourth line...and Downey's battling for a spot on that line...and Draper is, of course, close with Mac...and it sounds like Leino showed up to play...

The Lemieux hit occurred to me, but not that Downey might take Mac's spot. That's a good observation.

Hey, if there are 4 guys that can fill in that last spot, I'm not complaining. There are bound to be injuries.

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I just hope the rivalry doesn't get too heated. Teammates call each other out once in a while, but I hope this doesn't balloon into anything more serious down the line.

[Heaton 1]

Man, from what I saw if this kid would considering sticking around for the Griffins for just one season I could definitely see him making the team next year.

[96warrior 11]

We are at camp staying at the same hotel as the team. Babcock had breakfast in the restaurant today and as he left we noted he stopped to speak with someone at a table sitting alone. It was Leino. He stood and talked with him for a long time.

[dallas27 7]

It's a jaaaammmmmmed thumb. You would think that Downey gave Flip a concussion.

[Dabura 12,232]

We are at camp staying at the same hotel as the team. Babcock had breakfast in the restaurant today and as he left we noted he stopped to speak with someone at a table sitting alone. It was Leino. He stood and talked with him for a long time.

"You gonna finish that waffle?"

"I don't like waffles."

"FWAAAAHHH WHAAAAAT?!!!"

Edited September 22, 2008 by Dabura

[dallas27 7]

Another consideration: Draper's anchoring the fourth line...and Downey's battling for a spot on that line...and Draper is, of course, close with Mac.

Add the fact that nobody else made the situation as big of a deal as Draper did...

If it was as bad as Draper is making it to be you would think more people would have said something.

But, jammed thumbs are, after all, devastating to one's career.

[The_Cub 0]

Seeing that Draper had his face scrambled on a hit from behind he's probably very sensitive to teammates getting hit that way.

Add the fact that nobody else made the situation as big of a deal as Draper did...

If it was as bad as Draper is making it to be you would think more people would have said something.

But, jammed thumbs are, after all, devastating to one's career.

[Dabura 12,232]

But, jammed thumbs are, after all, devastating to one's career.

Draper was flipping out right when it happened -- i.e., before the "jammed thumb" diagnosis. That means his problem was with the hit itself.

[dallas27 7]

Draper was flipping out right when it happened -- i.e., before the "jammed thumb" diagnosis. That means his problem was with the hit itself.

This much I know.

There is a saying though, it's at the tip of my tongue. Something about a mole and an ant hill. Should Downey have thought twice? Of course, I've played hockey for 17-18 years now. I know, first-hand, how serious a check from behind can be. But did anything serious happen? No. So what's the big deal? Other than possibly trying to make Downey look like the bad guy, which he did a good job at. Not that I care. D-Mac has way more upside than Downey, but that is a totally different topic.

[Dabura 12,232]

But did anything serious happen? No. So what's the big deal?

The "big deal" is it's a dangerous, boneheaded play and a pee wee mistake -- and at training camp of all places; against a team mate of all people; in especially poor taste relative to the guy (Draper) who could, conceivably, go a long way in deciding Downey's future with the Wings; and in contradiction to those things which Downey absolutely needs to prove he has if he, being an enforcer who's good for nothing but enforcing (and "boosting morale"), is even going to get a whiff of quality playing time -- good judgment and restraint.

I didn't reference the Lemieux hit for the purpose of discrediting Draper's reaction. If Downey nailed Flip from behind, Draper was justified in reacting the way he did. That Flip wasn't seriously hurt is basically irrelevant; there's no place for checking someone into the boards from behind, especially at training camp. You just don't do it.

People wailed on Sammy for months about hitting Cleary with a puck, and that wasn't even a conscious action on his part.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Dabura

[dallas27 7]

The "big deal" is it's a dangerous, boneheaded play and a pee wee mistake -- and at training camp of all places; against a team mate of all people; in especially poor taste relative to the guy (Draper) who could, conceivably, go a long way in deciding Downey's future with the Wings; and in contradiction to those things which Downey absolutely needs to prove he has if he, being an enforcer who's good for nothing but enforcing (and "boosting morale"), is even going to get a whiff of quality playing time -- good judgment and restraint.

I didn't reference the Lemieux hit for the purpose of discrediting Draper's reaction. If Downey nailed Flip from behind, Draper was justified in reacting the way he did. That Flip wasn't seriously hurt is basically irrelevant; there's no place for checking someone into the boards from behind, especially at training camp. You just don't do it.

People wailed on Sammy for months about hitting Cleary with a puck, and that wasn't even a conscious action on his part.

So you decided to skip over the part where I said I know how dangerous it is? Perhaps I should mention I had my arm broken from a check from behind? So when I say first-hand... I really mean experienced...and I guess you skipped over all the other how I could care less about Downey

But, continue on people, keep your panties in a bunch. Won't even be talking about this a week from now.

[Dabura 12,232]

I read the part where you said you know how dangerous it is, and then I read the part where you said, "What's the big deal?" So, you want me to understand that you have an intimate, passionate understanding of the situation, but at the same time, you want me to tell you why it's such a big deal? Cool.

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[dallas27 7]

I read the part where you said you know how dangerous it is, and then I read the part where you said, "What's the big deal?" So, you want me to understand that you have an intimate, passionate understanding of the situation, but at the same time, you want me to tell you why it's such a big deal? Cool.

I didn't ask you to tell me anything. And Flip having a jammed thumb is completely relevant. It's not even a minor injury. It'll be fine in a couple days, maybe, maybe a week. Boneheaded play? Yes. Dangerous? Yes. Anything serious happen? No. And Downey was a man about it and faced the problem, worked it out with BOTH Draper and Flip and he knows not to do it again. So....it's not that big of a deal. Especially when this thread is going to be on page 10 a couple days from now.

[ArcticWing 0]

How did this topic end up being another "Downey and jammed thumb" discussion? Seriously give it a rest already!

Edited September 22, 2008 by ArcticWing

[Opie 308]

I didn't ask you to tell me anything. And Flip having a jammed thumb is completely relevant. It's not even a minor injury. It'll be fine in a couple days, maybe, maybe a week. Boneheaded play? Yes. Dangerous? Yes. Anything serious happen? No. And Downey was a man about it and faced the problem, worked it out with BOTH Draper and Flip and he knows not to do it again. So....it's not that big of a deal. Especially when this thread is going to be on page 10 a couple days from now.

I re use my Tool quote from the other thread covering this:

If consequences dictate course of action, I should play god, and just shoot you myself.

So you are using the no harm no foul rule to say this isn't a big deal, what others are saying is that it could have been a lot worse, you are ignoring that fact and saying, nothing bad happened what is the big deal. Well the big deal is what if the injury had been worse, Randy Jones didn't think his hit on Bergeron was a big deal either!

[ArcticWing 0]

Found three goals from highlight reels (Leino).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jo5iSF04D8

from: 1:48 to 1:59

from: 1:31 to 1:49

[FinRedWing 172]

I seriously doubt he'll make it,but keep it up Ville!

Show 'em what you've got.

Edited September 22, 2008 by FinRedWing

[b.shanafan14 733]

Hope he pans out, either way, better start than Grigorenko, tho it ain't saying much

[Dabura 12,232]

I didn't ask you to tell me anything. And Flip having a jammed thumb is completely relevant. It's not even a minor injury.

So if I shove you down a flight of stairs and you only scrape your knee, you'd laugh it off and say, "No harm, no foul"?

Good to know.