wingfan40 1 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 So after tonights game does he have 3g and 4 a? or 3 and 3? i know it doesn't matter but i am just curious. Either way, he is freaking amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukownzU13 1 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 He's got 3 goals and 3 assists for 6 points in 3 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan40 1 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 He's got 3 goals and 3 assists for 6 points in 3 games. not too shabby. seems like he is already in midseason form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Hank is definitely gonna get 164 points this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted October 2, 2008 How's the +/- on Z? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettsyukwall415 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 How's the +/- on Z? He's highest on the team with +5. This site gives all the preseason stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan40 1 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 If he can keep up this pace he should have no problem reaching 50 goals and 100 points this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Yes he's aiming for the "swedish record" in NHL, Håkan Loob did 50goals in a season i NHL in the 80's.. can't remember the team..but shouldnt be impossible if he stays healthy, he was injured for about 8 games last season so there's every possibility he can succeed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 As you already said, it really doesn't matter. It's good that he is doing well, but it really doesn't mean anything. I've seen guys lead the league in scoring during the preseason who never ended up even making the NHL team for the regular season. Notice that Sammy has 3 goals in 3 games and has a shooting % of 37.5%? Andy MacDonald, based on preseason stats, is on pace for 62 goals and 226 points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Is Sundin's 113 points in '93 the highest for a Swede? Tough to do nowadays, and impossible if he continues to have back problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) Is Sundin's 113 points in '93 the highest for a Swede? Tough to do nowadays, and impossible if he continues to have back problems. Mats had 114, which is probably the highest, I'd have to check. Mats Naslund had 110, Loob had 106 and Markus Naslund had 104. Edit - I forgot about Forsberg, he had 116 in 1996, so that would put him as the highest. Edited October 2, 2008 by toby91_ca Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 As you already said, it really doesn't matter. It's good that he is doing well, but it really doesn't mean anything. I've seen guys lead the league in scoring during the preseason who never ended up even making the NHL team for the regular season. Notice that Sammy has 3 goals in 3 games and has a shooting % of 37.5%? Andy MacDonald, based on preseason stats, is on pace for 62 goals and 226 points. Now that's incredible (for Sammy atleast). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donaldjr2448 43 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Z is by far my favorite player on this team, but I'mnot sure if he will break the Swede record. He is mainly going to be on the second line, and with that other teams will key on him and will make the others on his line step up!! Its gonna be like what happened to Feds back in the 90's. Just my thoughts. Don't get me wrong I would love to see Hank break all kinds of records, but I just don't see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) Z is by far my favorite player on this team, but I'mnot sure if he will break the Swede record. He is mainly going to be on the second line, and with that other teams will key on him and will make the others on his line step up!! Its gonna be like what happened to Feds back in the 90's. Just my thoughts. Don't get me wrong I would love to see Hank break all kinds of records, but I just don't see it. I agree... since the Wings started winning Cups again in the 90s, their style of play has not been condusive to high individual numbers. The points Dats and Zets put up last year were the highest by a pair of Wings in well over a decade. It pisses me off to no end when others attribute their high points being mainly due to them being on the Wings. I strongly feel they would score a lot more on a lot of other teams... where they would not have as much of a defensive responsibility. Edited October 2, 2008 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Mats had 114, which is probably the highest, I'd have to check. Mats Naslund had 110, Loob had 106 and Markus Naslund had 104. Edit - I forgot about Forsberg, he had 116 in 1996, so that would put him as the highest. Nope, Kent Nilsson (Kenta Mr Magic Nilsson) scored 131pts during the 80-81 season in Calgary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Nope, Kent Nilsson (Kenta Mr Magic Nilsson) scored 131pts during the 80-81 season in Calgary You're right, I forgot to go back to him. I checked earlier to see if he ever had more than 50 goals, but forgot to go back and check his point totals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 It pisses me off to no end when others attribute their high points being mainly due to them being on the Wings. I strongly feel they would score a lot more on a lot of other teams... where they would not have as much of a defensive responsibility. It kinda pisses me off when people suggest that certain Wings players would score more on other teams as well....since there really isn't any supporting evidence to suggest that would be true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 I still don't think Zetterberg makes the team this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenrikRules40 14 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 I still don't think Zetterberg makes the team this year. Was it last year that they released the final roster and forgot to add him? Or was it that he was on there twice? Something happened... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) It kinda pisses me off when people suggest that certain Wings players would score more on other teams as well....since there really isn't any supporting evidence to suggest that would be true. Shanahan's production took a nose dive when he came to Detroit. Lang's as well, and he produced at a greater clip when he went to Chicago... so did Williams. Hull, Whitney, Robitaille - same thing. Even Devereaux produced more outside of Detroit. On other teams they get more playing time and do not have as great of defensive duties as is required in Detroit. Since Datsyuk last year when was the last time the Wings had a top 5 scorer despite having some of the best talent in the NHL every year? Edited October 2, 2008 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Nope, Kent Nilsson (Kenta Mr Magic Nilsson) scored 131pts during the 80-81 season in Calgary Kent was a good player but I could have scored 100 points in the NHL in the early 80's. Teams won games 8-7 back then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Shanahan's production took a nose dive when he came to Detroit. Lang's as well, and he produced at a greater clip when he went to Chicago... so did Williams. Hull, Whitney, Robitaille - same thing. Even Devereaux produced more outside of Detroit. On other teams they get more playing time and do not have as great of defensive duties as is required in Detroit. Since Datsyuk last year when was the last time the Wings had a top 5 scorer despite having some of the best talent in the NHL every year? Perhaps with some of the lesser role players on Detroit, but even then, it's very hard to say and would only be speculation. With guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk, they are stars on this team and are out there in all situations, it would be no different with another team. If I were to look at each guy you mentioned, I'd have the following comments: Shanahan - 36g, 75pts 2 years before coming to the Wings (prorated to 82 games due to short season), 44g, 78pts the year before coming to the wings and 46g, 87pts his first year with the Wings - I don't see a nose dive in production. Lang - his production is pretty damn consistent in the years before coming to the Wings and after he left with that while he was here (apart from the partial season during the year he came here) Williams - he's had 42pts in 63 games with Chicago so far. I don't see how that's any better than what he did while with the Wings. Also, with him, he's still developing, him doing better would be expected, he was just breaking into full time duty in the NHL with the Wings. Hull - he produced at least as well, if not better, with the Wings than he did during the several previous seasons before arriving here. Whitney - he was only here for a very short period, so it's hard to judge, but if you pro rate his totals over 82 games, he would have had 64pts. That's not all that much of a difference and you also have to consider that he came over here with a much reduced role that he would have played on other teams. Robitaille - hasn't done much (now retired) since leaving the Wings either that shows he produces more elsewhere. He's a terrible example anyway. He was a star on previous teams and came to the Wings to win a cup and played on the 4th line most of the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Kent was a good player but I could have scored 100 points in the NHL in the early 80's. Teams won games 8-7 back then. Actually, there wasn't really a significant amount of 100pt scorers that year. Only 3 other guys had more than 112pts (Gretzky, Dionne and Bossy - they were pretty damn good players). Only Gretzky (164) and Dionne (135) had more pts than Nilsson's 131. I think Gretzky's stat that year was pretty impressive, not only 29 pts better than #2, he had 164pts and the number 2 guy on his team (Kurri) only had 75pts (89pt difference....wow) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 As you already said, it really doesn't matter. It's good that he is doing well, but it really doesn't mean anything. I've seen guys lead the league in scoring during the preseason who never ended up even making the NHL team for the regular season. Notice that Sammy has 3 goals in 3 games and has a shooting % of 37.5%? Andy MacDonald, based on preseason stats, is on pace for 62 goals and 226 points. The Lions were 4-0 in preseason..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted October 2, 2008 Shanahan's production took a nose dive when he came to Detroit. Lang's as well, and he produced at a greater clip when he went to Chicago... so did Williams. Hull, Whitney, Robitaille - same thing. Even Devereaux produced more outside of Detroit. On other teams they get more playing time and do not have as great of defensive duties as is required in Detroit. Since Datsyuk last year when was the last time the Wings had a top 5 scorer despite having some of the best talent in the NHL every year? Fedorov did just the opposite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
