Wings looking to trade Quincey

[Konnan511 1,736]

Anyone here remember last year when Holland and Co did a horrible job getting this team ready in the preseason, then the trade deadline came and went and he did nothing to help make this team better or get it ready for the post season, then the first round came and game five the Wings were all but dead in the water, getting ready to be owned by the Preds.

I forget how this story ends, can one of you remind me what happened, right because last year I heard all of these same arguments, and at the deadline some of you even said that if the Wings won it last year you wouldn't say these same tired, old things again this year.

Guess what, the wings won and it is the same drivel again, Wings need grit, Wings need toughness, they are acquiring or letting go of the wrong players, they are keeping a too old Cheli, BLAH ******* BLAH BLAH.

Man this is like Ground hog day only the Wings just won the cup.

I love how people on this board think they know so much more than Holland, Babcock, etc.. yet when the national media doesn't say Holland or Babcock are OMG!!!!!!11312171!!!! the Bestest ever half of this board s***s their collective pants, yet most of you on here don't have the faith and trust in the them.

Here is what we can say is a known for the Red Wings, they do the best they can to be a Stanley cup contender every year, not just make the playoffs. They ice the best team possible given the circumstances and the players at their disposal, they bring young players along at just the right time, Datsyuk and Zetterberg were with the big club immediately, Hudler and Flip not as quick but still quicker than say Meech and Quincey. They have an uncanny knack for the player everyone has passed on, Drake and Cleary for example.

Leave the personnel decisions to the people who not only have the job but have been proven very adept at making them, remember how long Hatcher was with this team, must have been salary cap, not that the Wings didn't think he was skilled enough in the right areas to make the team better, no no just s*** luck!

Do you really think they are in an office going:

"Well it would be nice to play an enforcer, the toughness we need, but nah lets be soft, that would be great, that would be something no one would expect!"

I think maybe one person brought up the toughness thing being an issue for them...other than that everyone else is saying it sucks because they like Quincey but they understand the move. That really was an uneeded rant.

[Opie 308]

I think maybe one person brought up the toughness thing being an issue for them...other than that everyone else is saying it sucks because they like Quincey but they understand the move. That really was an uneeded rant.

Sorry that your opinion was it was unneeded, my opinion is that is what pretty aptly placed. Oh well.

Also don't be surprised if you see it copied onto the "So who's it gonna be" thread soon, that thread was probably more deserving of the rant than this, I agree with you, but I still felt it was an appropriate comment.

Edited October 7, 2008 by Opie

[detroitdan 0]

I kind of agree with Opie. Quincey didn't play a single game in the playoffs last year and they still won the Cup. I agree that it sucks to trade him, but if he was worthy of playing he would have. I liked him when he played in the 07 playoffs, but Ericsson and Meech have come a long way since then too. It's unfortunate to have to trade him, but there isn't any one of the top 6 that I would take out to put him in, and I'd rather get something for him now than lose him to waivers. Such is life.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

My thoughts exactly. Keep the best defensemen, not the youngest. Quincey played himself to 10th on the depth chart, no room for #10 defensemen.

Even though that best defenceman didn't even play half the playoff games last year? Or even though he will be gone next year and Quincey could well have developed into a very solid NHL defenceman?

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

Sorry that your opinion was it was unneeded, my opinion is that is what pretty aptly placed. Oh well.

don't worry opie my friend!!! i agree with yo buddy=)

if he was good enough he would be playing period. have faith

[Opie 308]

Thanks for the support, I feel mad love coming from the board today!!

[Konnan511 1,736]

Sorry that your opinion was it was unneeded, my opinion is that is what pretty aptly placed. Oh well.

No, your opinion was needed, everyones opinions are needed; just the rant was out of place in the sense only one person was like "OMGGG horrible move" and everyone else agreed with you, for the most part.

[uk_redwing 495]

I'd rather have Lebda gone than him, but I guess Quincey is one too many tough players for the Wings to have on the roster.

Typical and unsurprising move here.

You and I think very alike...You'd fit in well with the hockeyfights crew

[Opie 308]

No, your opinion was needed, everyones opinions are needed; just the rant was out of place in the sense only one person was like "OMGGG horrible move" and everyone else agreed with you, for the most part.

2 people 2 posts, but one of them has been throwing around these posts on every thread, and that was more of what my rant was towards.

Either way my reply to you was to say I get your point, but I still felt the rant was well placed, and you were probably typing this reply.

[Heaton 1]

Even though that best defenceman didn't even play half the playoff games last year? Or even though he will be gone next year and Quincey could well have developed into a very solid NHL defenceman?

Quincey wouldn't be here next year anyway.

Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart, Lebda, Lilja, Meech, Ericsson. Where does Quincey fit in? They'll all be under contract.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Quincey wouldn't be here next year anyway.

Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart, Lebda, Lilja, Meech, Ericsson. Where does Quincey fit in? They'll all be under contract.

The only thing that slightly comforts me in all of this is looking at our current depth and the defensive prospects we have coming up.

There's always rumours surrounding Lidstrom and when he's ready to retire, but quite honestly, he just isn't slowing down and could be playing for another 5 years. Rafalski, Kronwall and Stuart are all on long term deals and are all reasonably young. Ericsson will be a top 4 guy in a couple of years. Lebda and Meech will always be #5/6 guys, and Pyett shapes up to be in this group too. Then there's Kindl, and Smith. Should both reach their potential they are top pairing defenceman, and certainly no worse than #4. Then there is the recently signed 'bonus draft pick' Lashoff as well as last years draftee Max Nicastro.

As of right now we have a ton of depth on defence, and even in 4-5 years time a lot of the current guys will still be around and by then Kindl and Smith will be making major strides. They obviously see the least upside in Quincey and hence he's the one to make way. But I am still disappointed; you know what I'm like, I hate losing any young prospect.

[Aki 0]

HAHA.....it was on the mlive.com site this morning, Ansar Khan posted the article....I looked to see if Ansar gave props to Aki or not......I think Aki was used by Ansar

no... I'm a girl

[Konnan511 1,736]

2 people 2 posts, but one of them has been throwing around these posts on every thread, and that was more of what my rant was towards.

Either way my reply to you was to say I get your point, but I still felt the rant was well placed, and you were probably typing this reply.

Ahhhh fair enough, Go Wings

[elriqo28 2]

I think maybe one person brought up the toughness thing being an issue for them...other than that everyone else is saying it sucks because they like Quincey but they understand the move. That really was an uneeded rant.

couldn't disagree more. I think all his points were dead on. I'm sure peoples feelings were hurt and they may go cry now, but everything is going to be ok, and no one is going to miss Quincey a couple years down the road.

[T.Low 1,011]

Quincey feels like the odd man out, so I have no problem with this.

I agree.

And nice Avatar, BTW. I think we have enough now for our own complete line including a D pairing providing you don't mind being assigned to right Dman. Are you a left shot?

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

You and I think very alike...You'd fit in well with the hockeyfights crew

I've thought about joining them for a while, but I'm a Wings fan first and a fight fan second. Most people here might not believe that, but it's absolutely true.

I don't have time to join more than one forum.

[uk_redwing 495]

I've thought about joining them for a while, but I'm a Wings fan first and a fight fan second. Most people here might not believe that, but it's absolutely true.

I don't have time to join more than one forum.

But we're all having a major stress session right now...you should join in

[96warrior 11]

http://redwingscorner.blogspot.com/

Life on the bubble

Kyle Quincey said that he's not sure what the future holds for him other than he has a 1:30 p.m. meeting with the Red Wings' brass. The defenseman was told not to skate at this morning's practice. He is healthy. There are reports that Quincey is being shopped around the league.

"I wish I knew something else," said Quincey. "I'm just ready for a new challenge or if I stay here, I'm ready for that challenge. I don't know anything."

Ville Leino and Jonathan Ericsson -- two more bubble players -- did practice this morning, but both said they don't know where they'll be after the 3 p.m. roster deadline tomorrow. Ericsson said that if he had to guess, he'd be in Grand Rapids.

Darren McCarty does know that he'll be in Detroit past tomorrow's roster deadline. But he doesn't know when his groin will be well enough to allow him to skate. McCarty will start the season on injured reserve. After he comes off that list, McCarty is hopeful about his chances of making the roster.

"I'm still in the mix," said McCarty.

General manager Ken Holland will hold a 2 p.m. press conference today.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Leino Sent down to GR.

http://redwingscorner.blogspot.com/

Ken Holland just said that the Red Wings have assigned Ville Leino and Jonathan Ericsson to Grand Rapids.

Earlier in the day, the Red Wings sent Darren Helm to Grand Rapids and put Aaron Downey on waivers.

Darren McCarty (groin), Chris Chelios (leg) and Jimmy Howard (finger) will all start the season on injured reserve.

That leaves the Red Wings with an active roster of 22, including Derek Meech and Kyle Quincey. The latter's status is uncertain. Quincey was told not to practice today and there have been reports that he might be traded.

Detroit has 12 healthy forwards, eight healthy defensemen including Quincey and two healthy goalies.

[ben_usmc 253]

I thought we were over the cap by 1.5 or so how would trading Quincey help?

[Opie 308]

I thought we were over the cap by 1.5 or so how would trading Quincey help?

Currently the LTIR gives the Wings some wiggle room, not a ton but enough that they can play a few games and see what there best move going forward is, maybe Lilja proves to be irreplaceable, Sammy trade? maybe? Leino fills in for him, lot of things could be a possibility going forward, Quincey is more to help free up the log jam, I THINK!

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I'd rather have Lebda gone than him, but I guess Quincey is one too many tough players for the Wings to have on the roster.

Typical and unsurprising move here.

You forgot to mention the fact that Quincey was the worst defenseman during the pre-season and didn't outplay anyone (including Ericsson) fighting for a roster spot.

Quincey should absolutely be the one to get traded. Typical of Ken Holland to make the right move.

[ben_usmc 253]

Currently the LTIR gives the Wings some wiggle room, not a ton but enough that they can play a few games and see what there best move going forward is, maybe Lilja proves to be irreplaceable, Sammy trade? maybe? Leino fills in for him, lot of things could be a possibility going forward, Quincey is more to help free up the log jam, I THINK!

What everyone seems to forget is the reason we are so deep is because we can call people up from grand rapids who would be on most NHL teams. If we trade away Sammy and Lilja, then bring someone else up that just makes us lose some of our depth. IN HOLLAND WE TRUST- just say that motto and everything will be alright.

[Opie 308]

What everyone seems to forget is the reason we are so deep is because we can call people up from grand rapids who would be on most NHL teams. If we trade away Sammy and Lilja, then bring someone else up that just makes us lose some of our depth. IN HOLLAND WE TRUST- just say that motto and everything will be alright.

Trust me I do trust holland, I was just pointing out that those things could happen to make cap room and that Cheli being injured gives the Wings wiggle room right now, but when healthy room will need to be made, and the team now has depth at forward and d to use for consideration for who goes and who stays.

[esteef 2,679]

Anyone here remember last year when Holland and Co did a horrible job getting this team ready in the preseason, then the trade deadline came and went and he did nothing to help make this team better or get it ready for the post season, then the first round came and game five the Wings were all but dead in the water, getting ready to be owned by the Preds.

I forget how this story ends, can one of you remind me what happened, right because last year I heard all of these same arguments, and at the deadline some of you even said that if the Wings won it last year you wouldn't say these same tired, old things again this year.

Guess what, the wings won and it is the same drivel again, Wings need grit, Wings need toughness, they are acquiring or letting go of the wrong players, they are keeping a too old Cheli, BLAH ******* BLAH BLAH.

Man this is like Ground hog day only the Wings just won the cup.

I love how people on this board think they know so much more than Holland, Babcock, etc.. yet when the national media doesn't say Holland or Babcock are OMG!!!!!!11312171!!!! the Bestest ever half of this board s***s their collective pants, yet most of you on here don't have the faith and trust in the them.

Here is what we can say is a known for the Red Wings, they do the best they can to be a Stanley cup contender every year, not just make the playoffs. They ice the best team possible given the circumstances and the players at their disposal, they bring young players along at just the right time, Datsyuk and Zetterberg were with the big club immediately, Hudler and Flip not as quick but still quicker than say Meech and Quincey. They have an uncanny knack for the player everyone has passed on, Drake and Cleary for example.

Leave the personnel decisions to the people who not only have the job but have been proven very adept at making them, remember how long Hatcher was with this team, must have been salary cap, not that the Wings didn't think he was skilled enough in the right areas to make the team better, no no just s*** luck!

Do you really think they are in an office going:

"Well it would be nice to play an enforcer, the toughness we need, but nah lets be soft, that would be great, that would be something no one would expect!"

So what happened all those other years when we didn't win the Cup? Oh yeah, we got smacked out of the playoffs by "tougher" teams (Anaheim, Calgary, etc). Do you think the media just made up how soft the Wings were for something to talk about? Huff and Puff all you want, but toughness (including fighting) is important for success. As someone said in another thread, our road to the Cup this past year was pretty soft.

BTW, Downey and Drake were on the team all of last year and where did we finish again? I can't remember? I'm sure it wasn't first because carrying a useless enforcer like Downey just f***s everything up and takes a roster spot from a "scorer" right? Please enlighten us...

I generally think Kenny does a good job, but questioning leadership often keeps them in check.

I feel better now...

esteef