Rivalred 630 Report post Posted November 16, 2008 How about letting Joho play out this season and then reassess his level of play and worth. A more long term evaluation would paint a clearer picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2008 If you fact-check further you'll find that the period I'm referring to begins March 9. When Holmstrom missed his first game. Anything else? That's great, but as I said when I first entered this discussion, I was referring to the entire month of March, and the first days 9 days of a particular month are just as important as the last two thirds, especially considering Franzen was hot throughout the entire month. You can come up with technicalities to detract from his ability to score on his own all you want, but at least go on the basis I created for the discussion. Did you known Franzen also had an unassisted goal in March? Did Hank and Pavel set that one up, as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted November 16, 2008 That's great, but as I said when I first entered this discussion, I was referring to the entire month of March, and the first days 9 days of a particular month are just as important as the last two thirds, especially considering Franzen was hot throughout the entire month. You can come up with technicalities to detract from his ability to score on his own all you want, but at least go on the basis I created for the discussion. Did you known Franzen also had an unassisted goal in March? Did Hank and Pavel set that one up, as well? Yes I did. It was one fo the three goals they did not assist on that I mentioned. Look kid, my suggestion to you is to watch more hockey and read less articles. That way you'll know more about your arguments when you enter them. Thinking Crosby and Malkin are paired and that Z and Dats didn't help Mule shows a clear lack of knowledge, which is fine, except when you're all but calling other members liars when they're right. If you want to clutch at straws to save face, that's fine. For the month of March, Franzen scored 14 goals. Hank assisted on 6, Dats assisted on 5, Sammy on 2. If that's the case, how do you explain his barrage of goals last season when he wasn't playing with Zetts? Maybe I misunderstood. Were you referring to the 12 goals in 56 games to begin the season? Because that's when he wasn't feeding off Zetterberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted November 17, 2008 Yes I did. It was one fo the three goals they did not assist on that I mentioned. Look kid, my suggestion to you is to watch more hockey and read less articles. That way you'll know more about your arguments when you enter them. Thinking Crosby and Malkin are paired and that Z and Dats didn't help Mule shows a clear lack of knowledge, which is fine, except when you're all but calling other members liars when they're right. If you want to clutch at straws to save face, that's fine. For the month of March, Franzen scored 14 goals. Hank assisted on 6, Dats assisted on 5, Sammy on 2. Maybe I misunderstood. Were you referring to the 12 goals in 56 games to begin the season? Because that's when he wasn't feeding off Zetterberg. First of all, don't call me "kid," because I'm far from a child, and don't spew out some garbage about me acting like one, either. Secondly, did you really just tell me to watch more hockey and read less articles? Not only did you pass judgment on me (as I'll politely remind you, you know nothing about me), but also, you're from Australia. Not to make any assumptions about you or your habits, but I'm from Canada, and in case you've fact-checked this incorrectly as well, we eat, sleep, and breathe hockey around these parts. I've been playing hockey since I could skate, I've coached a team that won a significant minor championship, and I've been watching hockey both in person and on television since before color television was invented. Please, hop off your high horse and perhaps re-evaluate your posts before you make assumptions regarding someone else's life. As for Crosby and Malkin, they were paired together at times the year before last, and they both flourished together, both on and off the power play. But just for fun, had they only ever been on the ice together with the extra attacker, I'm still failing to see why the power play should be used to detract from a player's ability to score goals? My Crosby and Malkin example was perfectly relevant, but that's not what we're discussing here, so I'll let that one slide. When it comes to the Mule's 12 goals in 56 games prior to his hot spell, please keep in mind that those 12 goals (which alone are more than more than half the players in the league are able to tack up each year) came before he hit his stride and gained confidence in himself. Prior to his hot streak, Franzen was playing as a rookie would, which is to say he was still looking for his niche. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 12 goals from a player lacking significant confidence is a hell of a feat, especially on an elite team filled with talent. Franzen proved he can score goals without Hank and Pavel, and he proved he can score goals with Hank and Pavel. I'm still failing to understand why the goals he scored with two superstars (which I'd like to once again point out he was rarely paired with both at the same time, even during Holmstrom's injury) should equal less work from the Mule. He was still the one to put the puck in the net, he still had to get himself in a proper position to score the goal, and he still had to drive the net to earn those goals. Is it Franzen's fault that he scored goals while paired with Datsyuk or Zetterberg? No, it's not. Why should Babcock's line pairings have anything to do with Franzen's ability? The only reason he was ever paired with either of those two to begin with was because he had already shown Babcock that he had the tools to be an elite talent, which came before Holmstrom's injury (early March, and at times throughout the earlier parts of the season) and before he was ever paired with Datsyuk or Zetterberg. Enough said. I'm done with this conversation, as frankly (and I'm sure you've noticed), I find it quite pointless, and frankly, you are wrong. You'll probably fire back with another load of useless trash, but I won't fight back, I promise. Pick your poison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukownzU13 1 Report post Posted November 17, 2008 Based just on numbers - yes. He has 8 goals in 11 games 0.727 goals/game Take the top 24 goal scores (24 guys have 8 goals or more) and calculate the goals/ game and here's the results: games goals goals/game 1 Alexander Semin WAS 16 13 0.813 2 Thomas Vanek BUF 16 12 0.750 3 Johan Franzen DET 11 8 0.727 4 Simon Gagne PHI 14 10 0.714 5 Henrik Zetterberg DET 14 10 0.714 6 Zach Parise NJD 16 11 0.688 7 Jeff Carter PHI 15 10 0.667 8 Marian Hossa DET 16 10 0.625 9 Shane Doan PHO 15 9 0.600 10 Keith Tkachuk STL 15 9 0.600 11 Patrick Sharp CHI 15 9 0.600 12 Slava Kozlov ATL 16 9 0.563 13 Dany Heatley OTT 16 9 0.563 14 Jarome Iginla CGY 18 10 0.556 15 Brad Boyes STL 15 8 0.533 16 Milan Hejduk COL 15 8 0.533 17 Teemu Selanne ANA 18 9 0.500 18 Ryane Clowe SAN 18 9 0.500 19 Devin Setoguchi SAN 18 9 0.500 20 Derick Brassard COB 16 8 0.500 21 Bryan Little ATL 16 8 0.500 22 Miroslav Satan PIT 16 8 0.500 23 Mikhail Grabovski TOR 17 8 0.471 24 Patrick Marleau SAN 18 8 0.444 Mule is #3. Now you could argue that there are more important things than goal scoring but I don't know how anybody could argue that the #3 goal scorer in the league isn't in the top 20 forwards. The bold is why this really doesn't hold any water when figuring out the top 20. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted November 17, 2008 First of all, don't call me "kid," because I'm far from a child, and don't spew out some garbage about me acting like one, either. Secondly, did you really just tell me to watch more hockey and read less articles? Not only did you pass judgment on me (as I'll politely remind you, you know nothing about me), but also, you're from Australia. Not to make any assumptions about you or your habits, but I'm from Canada, and in case you've fact-checked this incorrectly as well, we eat, sleep, and breathe hockey around these parts. I've been playing hockey since I could skate, I've coached a team that won a significant minor championship, and I've been watching hockey both in person and on television since before color television was invented. Please, hop off your high horse and perhaps re-evaluate your posts before you make assumptions regarding someone else's life. As for Crosby and Malkin, they were paired together at times the year before last, and they both flourished together, both on and off the power play. But just for fun, had they only ever been on the ice together with the extra attacker, I'm still failing to see why the power play should be used to detract from a player's ability to score goals? My Crosby and Malkin example was perfectly relevant, but that's not what we're discussing here, so I'll let that one slide. When it comes to the Mule's 12 goals in 56 games prior to his hot spell, please keep in mind that those 12 goals (which alone are more than more than half the players in the league are able to tack up each year) came before he hit his stride and gained confidence in himself. Prior to his hot streak, Franzen was playing as a rookie would, which is to say he was still looking for his niche. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 12 goals from a player lacking significant confidence is a hell of a feat, especially on an elite team filled with talent. Franzen proved he can score goals without Hank and Pavel, and he proved he can score goals with Hank and Pavel. I'm still failing to understand why the goals he scored with two superstars (which I'd like to once again point out he was rarely paired with both at the same time, even during Holmstrom's injury) should equal less work from the Mule. He was still the one to put the puck in the net, he still had to get himself in a proper position to score the goal, and he still had to drive the net to earn those goals. Is it Franzen's fault that he scored goals while paired with Datsyuk or Zetterberg? No, it's not. Why should Babcock's line pairings have anything to do with Franzen's ability? The only reason he was ever paired with either of those two to begin with was because he had already shown Babcock that he had the tools to be an elite talent, which came before Holmstrom's injury (early March, and at times throughout the earlier parts of the season) and before he was ever paired with Datsyuk or Zetterberg. Enough said. I'm done with this conversation, as frankly (and I'm sure you've noticed), I find it quite pointless, and frankly, you are wrong. You'll probably fire back with another load of useless trash, but I won't fight back, I promise. Pick your poison. Just so it's clear: I posted stats from NHL.com without even asserting an opinion. What are you fighting about? Sorry 'bout calling you kid. Please don't be offended, it's just something I say. If you choose to not respect me or my opinion from here on because of the way my toilet flushes that's cool, but I still can't work out what about the stats I posted was wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 17, 2008 LOL. whos really jumping the gun here in terms of credit...30 goals+ goals in 40 + games vs the unproven and inconsistent semin who happens to be leading the league after 15 games...lmao. FYI- He may have had a sophomore slump last season, but Semin still put up big numbers. Even during his "bad" year last season he potted 26 goals. Not to mention that he has a 30+ goal, 70+ point season under his belt and is leading the league in scoring. Mule had one good goal scoring season last year at 27, but still only recorded 11 assists all year. He's been hot putting pucks in the net for months now but as far as overall production, he isn't even touching Semin yet. Semin's worst season saw him score just 1 fewer goal than Franzen's best season. By the way, forwards better than Mule: Datsyuk Zetterberg Hossa Malkin Crosby Ovechkin Semin Iginla Getzlaf Thornton Kane Savard Mike Richards Ribeiro Morrow Heatley Alfredsson Spezza Lecavalier Vanek Jokinen Kovalchuk Boyes Nash Stastny Hejduk Sedin Sedin BrindAmour Elias Brad Richards Parise St.Louis Gomez Drury That's 35 right there and that is leaving off alot of players who are in the top 60 in scoring this year. Talk about jumping the gun, people are ready to put Franzen with 1, 20 goal season and a career high 38 points into the top 20 forwards in the league? Why not get HOMER tatooed on yur friggin' heads so you're more easily identified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 17, 2008 FYI- He may have had a sophomore slump last season, but Semin still put up big numbers. Even during his "bad" year last season he potted 26 goals. Not to mention that he has a 30+ goal, 70+ point season under his belt and is leading the league in scoring. Mule had one good goal scoring season last year at 27, but still only recorded 11 assists all year. He's been hot putting pucks in the net for months now but as far as overall production, he isn't even touching Semin yet. Semin's worst season saw him score just 1 fewer goal than Franzen's best season. By the way, forwards better than Mule: Datsyuk Zetterberg Hossa Malkin Crosby Ovechkin Semin Iginla Getzlaf Thornton Kane Savard Mike Richards Ribeiro Morrow Heatley Alfredsson Spezza Lecavalier Vanek Jokinen Kovalchuk Boyes Nash Stastny Hejduk Sedin Sedin BrindAmour Elias Brad Richards Parise St.Louis Gomez Drury That's 35 right there and that is leaving off alot of players who are in the top 60 in scoring this year. Talk about jumping the gun, people are ready to put Franzen with 1, 20 goal season and a career high 38 points into the top 20 forwards in the league? Why not get HOMER tatooed on yur friggin' heads so you're more easily identified. GS&T I love when you and I agree 100% it saves me so much typing. Mule is not top 20 forward in the league, Mule is not top 50 in the league. Is he very talented, YES, is he a hardworking forward, YES, could he be top 20, sure you could I could we all could, but the OP's statement that Mule is a top 20 forward in the league, is 100% incorrect and isn't even factually based. OH but wait Opie he is top 3 scorer in the league right now! Yes right now he is, does anybody remember Mule's season last year. The reason why everyone talks about the latter part of the season and not the whole season when they talk about Mule is that he has only had really good parts of seasons, never a really good season. Because if 38 points is a really good season some of you need to review your opinion of Sammy, Kopecky, Hudler, Flip and other wings. Top 20 forwards score at least 75 points, or in the case of last season the # 20 forward in the league (Points wise) is Mats Sundin at 78. 4 months does not a top 20 NHL forward make. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted November 17, 2008 Datsyuk Zetterberg Hossa Malkin Crosby Ovechkin Semin Iginla Getzlaf Thornton Kane Savard Mike Richards Ribeiro Morrow Heatley Alfredsson Spezza Lecavalier Vanek Jokinen Kovalchuk Boyes Nash Stastny Hejduk Sedin Sedin BrindAmour Elias Brad Richards Parise St.Louis Gomez Drury I consider Franzen better than the bold, equal to the italics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 17, 2008 (edited) Savard?, saying Mule is equal to Savard makes a bold statement my friend, Savard is a Datsyuk like set up man. Plays with the same fire if not more than Mule, Savard will fight, a legit stand and fight not when Malkin is on his back. He may not fight heavies but he has thrown fists. Listen I have a ton of respect for Mule, great on the PK, PP but you do not build a team around him. Savard is Boston's offense, Savard is an all star that makes players better. Mule plays with All stars he is not one, YET. I am not saying in a couple of years or at the end of this season Mule could not be one of the top 20 but not yet. 69, 74, 63 pts last 3 years. Semin? really, seriously, you are not kidding? 73 pts in his rookie year, 42 last year (Chalk that up to sophmore slump) Gomez? Oddly enough same DOB as Mule, that is about where the comparisons end, 70 pts last season, 60 the year before, 84 the year before the lockout. The Sedins? Henrik 75, 81, 76 pts last 3 years, Daniel 71, 84, 74 You do understand that Mule is about to turn 29 and his career high in points is 38, he has played 80 games once, his rookie year, then 69 and 72. Before we anoint him top 20 why not let him earn it. Edit: I would have continued but really why bother. Edited November 17, 2008 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lnvincible Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hossa, Iginla, Gaborik, Kane, Getzlaf, Marleau, Doan. Lecavalier, Ovechkin, Semin, Malkin, Crosby, Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson, Savard, Richards, Parise. [by the way, it's West/East, and I just named the first 20 I could think of] The funny thing is i used to pretty good friends with Kane back 2 years ago Went my highschool and played road hockey wit him many times! Along wit Perry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 The funny thing is i used to pretty good friends with Kane back 2 years ago Went my highschool and played road hockey wit him many times! Along wit Perry. Did it feel good being a pylon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Retroit in '09 0 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Wow, that goal that put Detroit up 4-0 tonight was a nice little arguement in favor of top twenty. Like they said on tv, a real goal scorer's goal. Onward to a Retroit in '09 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossoverThrash 0 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Franzen strikes again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Good production from Franzen, but still not a top 20 forward. Top 20 goal scorer? I could buy that, but hes not complete enough to be considered top 20 overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blues_demitra38 11 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Franzen's play is reminiscent of Bertuzzi in his Vancouver days. Size, speed and great hands. And this can't be dismissed as a "hot start" because he's been doing it since the second half last year so let's put his legitimacy to rest. The real issue will be deciding between Hossa and Franzen. Just because Franzen is new in the league doesn't mean he's young. He's 30 years old, pretty much the same age as Hossa. I think most people would take Hossa over Franzen but would you take Hossa at 8 million per year or Franzen at 5? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Franzen's play is reminiscent of Bertuzzi in his Vancouver days. Size, speed and great hands. And this can't be dismissed as a "hot start" because he's been doing it since the second half last year so let's put his legitimacy to rest. The real issue will be deciding between Hossa and Franzen. Just because Franzen is new in the league doesn't mean he's young. He's 30 years old, pretty much the same age as Hossa. I think most people would take Hossa over Franzen but would you take Hossa at 8 million per year or Franzen at 5? Franzen will not demand 5 million, that's way too much considering Kronwall makes 3. If Hossa would accept 6.7 million, and 3.3 for the Mule, then maybe trading Filppula, Cleary, Hudler, and Lebda might be enough. If Chelios retires, that's another 0.75 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Franzen's play is reminiscent of Bertuzzi in his Vancouver days. Size, speed and great hands. And this can't be dismissed as a "hot start" because he's been doing it since the second half last year so let's put his legitimacy to rest. The real issue will be deciding between Hossa and Franzen. Just because Franzen is new in the league doesn't mean he's young. He's 30 years old, pretty much the same age as Hossa. I think most people would take Hossa over Franzen but would you take Hossa at 8 million per year or Franzen at 5? You are right it can't be called a hot start, oh wait yes it can the season is still very young, he had a great finish to last year, a great playoff, and a really good start to this year, none of that equates to a great season. A great season would be 75+ games and 75+ points thus making him a top 20 forward, he has not done any of this therefore he is not a top 20 forward. He may be "rounding" into a great player, he may be developing into a top 20 forward, he may also be very lucky to be on the Wing of Z, he may also be rounding into Michael Ryder, he may be the reincarnation of Cam Neely, who knows. Franzen is a looking like he will develop into a very solid player but you can not take the end of one season add the beginning of another season and come up with a whole season. He had months to heal, recover, rest in between the two. The 4 years Bert was Bert he put up the following numbers: 72gp 36g 49a 85pts 110 PIM Age 27 82 46 51 97 144 28 69 17 43 60 122 29 82 25 46 71 120 30 What has Mule done that is anywhere near that? He is on pace for blah blah blah whatever, I don't care about what pace he is on, if he (knock on wood) gets hurt in the near future his pace is now worth poop! Now lets awaken his legitimacy at least until he has a full season (not two halves or 3 different thirds) of great play before stating his legitimacy is not in question, especially when his career high is 38 points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blues_demitra38 11 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Franzen will not demand 5 million, that's way too much considering Kronwall makes 3. If Hossa would accept 6.7 million, and 3.3 for the Mule, then maybe trading Filppula, Cleary, Hudler, and Lebda might be enough. If Chelios retires, that's another 0.75 million. Are you so sure of that? What if Franzen tops 30 goals? With the rate at which contracts are being given out it would not surprise me at the least if Johan is offered over 5 million. If not by the Red Wings, then another team out there in need of scoring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) Semin Savard Ribeiro Vanek Boyes Stastny Hejduk BrindAmour Brad Richards Gomez Drury I consider Franzen better than the bold, equal to the italics. Better than BrindAmour? Maybe. The others? How do you figure Brindamour= consistently puts up more points than Franzen ever has. Old as dirt but his defensive play and face off ability merits consideration Hejduk= 8 consecutive 20+ goal seasons, 5 consecutive 50+ point seasons Brad Richards=4 consecutive 20+ goal seasons, 7 consecutive 60+ point seasons Drury= 3 consecutive 20+ goal seasons, 5 consecutive 50+ point seasons Franzen has 1 20+ goal season and has never cracked 40 points even once. And he's better than these guys who have been doing it for at least 1/2 a decade consistently? Equal to: Vanek= 3 consecutive 20+ goal seasons, including a 36 and 43 goal seasons and an 84 point season along with 13 goals already this season? Lowest point total ever was 48, 10 more than Franzen's best. Savard=4 career 20 goal seasons, a 97 point season, a 96 point season, 4 times in his career he's had more assists in a season than Franzen's had total points. His last 3 seasons he's averaging 90 points. Franzen is equal to a 90 point scorer????? Ribeiro= 2, 20 goal seasons, 4 straight years of 50+ points including 83 points last year. Ribby already has 16 assists this season. Semin= Already covered this ground but has consecutive 20+ goal seasons, including a 30 goal season, a 70_ point season and having a monster year already. Boyes= probably the weakest of the bunch thus far aside from Brindamour. Still has a 40+ goal season, which on goals alone is more points than Franzen has ever had in a single season. Nearly a .75 points per game player thru career to Franzen's .41 (roughly same amount of games played) Gomez= Not much of a goal scorer but 5 straight seasons of 50+ points including 70 points last year, 4 times in his career he's top 70 points and a career .823 points per game player. Stastny=3rd year player has registered back to back 20+ goal, 70+ point seasons. And is a perfect point per game player thru 164 career games. No way is Mule as good as Stastny. Sorry Bee, I don't know how you formed your opinion b/c clearly, it cannot be based on any statistical data. Sure, Franzen has been hot scoring goals for a long time now. But collectively, he still hasn't done anything consistent for a full 82 game season. Plus, just 11 assists last year? I don't see how a guy who has a career high 38 point season can even come close. Every single player on my list had more production than Franzen last year and unless I am mistaken, I believe all of these guys have more points than Franzen this season. Although Mule has only played 12 games. Edited November 18, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Are you so sure of that? What if Franzen tops 30 goals? With the rate at which contracts are being given out it would not surprise me at the least if Johan is offered over 5 million. If not by the Red Wings, then another team out there in need of scoring. You bring up a great point for the whole Hossa Mule debate. What if some other team throws 5 mil at Mule, do the wings say see ya, or do they match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 franzen isnt 30 years old. He is still 28. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 franzen isnt 30 years old. He is still 28. YOu're right, but I think the original point is still valid (Hossa is relatively the same age). They were both born in 1979 (Hossa the beginnin of the year and Franzen at the end). Franzen will be 29 in a month, Hossa is 29 now, will turn 30, early next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Better than BrindAmour? Maybe. The others? How do you figure Brindamour= consistently puts up more points than Franzen ever has. Old as dirt but his defensive play and face off ability merits consideration Hejduk= 8 consecutive 20+ goal seasons, 5 consecutive 50+ point seasons Brad Richards=4 consecutive 20+ goal seasons, 7 consecutive 60+ point seasons Drury= 3 consecutive 20+ goal seasons, 5 consecutive 50+ point seasons Franzen has 1 20+ goal season and has never cracked 40 points even once. And he's better than these guys who have been doing it for at least 1/2 a decade consistently? Equal to: Vanek= 3 consecutive 20+ goal seasons, including a 36 and 43 goal seasons and an 84 point season along with 13 goals already this season? Lowest point total ever was 48, 10 more than Franzen's best. Savard=4 career 20 goal seasons, a 97 point season, a 96 point season, 4 times in his career he's had more assists in a season than Franzen's had total points. His last 3 seasons he's averaging 90 points. Franzen is equal to a 90 point scorer????? Ribeiro= 2, 20 goal seasons, 4 straight years of 50+ points including 83 points last year. Ribby already has 16 assists this season. Semin= Already covered this ground but has consecutive 20+ goal seasons, including a 30 goal season, a 70_ point season and having a monster year already. Boyes= probably the weakest of the bunch thus far aside from Brindamour. Still has a 40+ goal season, which on goals alone is more points than Franzen has ever had in a single season. Nearly a .75 points per game player thru career to Franzen's .41 (roughly same amount of games played) Gomez= Not much of a goal scorer but 5 straight seasons of 50+ points including 70 points last year, 4 times in his career he's top 70 points and a career .823 points per game player. Stastny=3rd year player has registered back to back 20+ goal, 70+ point seasons. And is a perfect point per game player thru 164 career games. No way is Mule as good as Stastny. Sorry Bee, I don't know how you formed your opinion b/c clearly, it cannot be based on any statistical data. Sure, Franzen has been hot scoring goals for a long time now. But collectively, he still hasn't done anything consistent for a full 82 game season. Plus, just 11 assists last year? I don't see how a guy who has a career high 38 point season can even come close. Every single player on my list had more production than Franzen last year and unless I am mistaken, I believe all of these guys have more points than Franzen this season. Although Mule has only played 12 games. it's fair, but at the same time, how many of those players has scored 13 goals in a single playoff season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted November 18, 2008 Of the afore-mentioned list, I think Franzen is currently better and quickly turning into a prime Drury. Clutch, clutch and more clutch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
