Bobby Ryan

[bogeygolfer 4]

It's pretty obvious that he has not lived up to his 2nd overall after crosby, From that draft about half of the 1st rounders are in the NHL, many of them are already stars: Crosby, Price, Hanzel, Cogliano etc. I mean it'd be one thing if he was being held back in the AHL, or stuck on the 4th line, but they have been giving him plenty of minutes with some very good players. Gauranteed he wouldn't even have played one game in NHL if it wasn't for his draft position. It also show how 'great' of a GM burke is.

[hckypete96 3]

listen i hate burke as much as the next guy but ryan was pretty much everyones #2 guy behind sid. at least thats what i remember...

[MacK_Attack 108]

6 points in 7 games is downright awful. You make the comparison to Cogliano. Cogliano has 10 points in over 20 games (22 or 23) and Ryan has six in seven. Maybe my math is a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure that makes Ryan's production better than Cogliano's.

It's pretty obvious that he has not lived up to his 2nd overall after crosby, From that draft about half of the 1st rounders are in the NHL, many of them are already stars: Crosby, Price, Hanzel, Cogliano etc. I mean it'd be one thing if he was being held back in the AHL, or stuck on the 4th line, but they have been giving him plenty of minutes with some very good players. Gauranteed he wouldn't even have played one game in NHL if it wasn't for his draft position. It also show how 'great' of a GM burke is.

Ryan was #2 or #3 on pretty well every draft list. He and Jack Johnson flipped-flopped.

Besides, power forwards always take a little longer to develop.

Edited December 2, 2008 by MacK_Attack

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Edited December 2, 2008 by Shoreline

[Aussie_Wing 354]

He has 6 points in 7 games, am I missing something...?

[BeeRYCE 2]

When you consider some of the other 2nd overall picks from past years... Malkin, Heatley, Spezza, Marleau, E. Staal, J. Staal, Doughty, Sedin(s), Legwand, Redden, etc... Not all are necessarily future hall of famers, but all of these players have proved significant impact on their respective teams at some point in time. Considering we're nearing 4 years after Ryan's draft date, he should have by now done something.

[eva unit zero 271]

http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2005e.html

Looking at the scoring since drafting, plus the fact that this is Ryan's first opportunity to really play more than a game or two...I'd say his numbers so far say 'real deal'...

Speaking of real deal, nice chance just now by Bobby Ryan.

[DyingAlive 27]

I think the difference between Ryan and other high picks within recent years is that Ryan hasn't gotten as much as experience. For instance some of the guys listed in the posts above have been put into NHL immediately. He really hasn't play a lot of NHL games compared to some other guys.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Who cares about this fool Burke's dumb ass drafted, we have FRANZEN

[CenterIce 83]

The Ducks haven't had the cap room for him. You got to allow him some consitent NHL time, before you make a decision on him.

[toby91_ca 620]

Besides, power forwards always take a little longer to develop.

Yeah, but come on, he's 21 already.....note sarcasm.....

[eva unit zero 271]

Who cares about this fool Burke's dumb ass drafted, we have FRANZEN

If I could trade Franzen for Ryan, I would do it ten of ten times. Franzen is a very slightly better player who as of next summer will make considerably more than Ryan makes now. Franzen is at his peak....Ryan will get much better than he is now.

If I were Pittsburgh's GM and had the Crosby pick in 2005, you know what I would have done with it?

I would have offered it for the 2nd overall pick, Getzlaf, Perry, and Smid. I would have drafted either Ryan or Kopitar; it was clear to me then that those two were the obvious #2 and #3 and events since then have simply confirmed that opinion. I probably take Ryan because he's a natural winger and Getzlaf is already coming back in the trade, and the team already has drafted Malkin. Just thinking about the roster that could have potentially been crafted by trading the Crosby pick is drool-worthy from the team-building aspect.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

If I could trade Franzen for Ryan, I would do it ten of ten times. Franzen is a very slightly better player who as of next summer will make considerably more than Ryan makes now. Franzen is at his peak....Ryan will get much better than he is now.

If I were Pittsburgh's GM and had the Crosby pick in 2005, you know what I would have done with it?

I would have offered it for the 2nd overall pick, Getzlaf, Perry, and Smid. I would have drafted either Ryan or Kopitar; it was clear to me then that those two were the obvious #2 and #3 and events since then have simply confirmed that opinion. I probably take Ryan because he's a natural winger and Getzlaf is already coming back in the trade, and the team already has drafted Malkin. Just thinking about the roster that could have potentially been crafted by trading the Crosby pick is drool-worthy from the team-building aspect.

Still Franzen is playing unreal, give the man some credit, Ryan is unproven at this point, and he was born in new jersey.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Yeah, 6 points in 7 games is terrible.

Ryan isnt a bust, just because he's a Duck, doesnt mean he sucks.

[Duck Guy 86]

ya and +6 in 8 games is horrible...hey bogey next time you try to bash a player make sure you look up his stats first lol... iam sorry if i come off as a jerk but are you CEREAL? and also like stated before he has not had alot of games.... 30 NHL games to date (16 pts) needs more games under his belt. But he sure is tearing it up in the AHL (if that really matters) 48 GP with 49 PTS.

Edited December 2, 2008 by Duck Guy

[CrossoverThrash 0]

ya and +6 in 8 games is horrible...hey bogey next time you try to bash a player make sure you look up his stats first lol... iam sorry if i come off as a jerk but are you CEREAL? and also like stated before he has not had alot of games.... 30 NHL games to date (16 pts) needs more games under his belt. But he sure is tearing it up in the AHL (if that really matters) 48 GP with 49 PTS.

The AHL arugument dosen't really work considering Hudler and Haydar have both led the league in points and Kopecky was a great player in the AHL

[Duck Guy 86]

The AHL arugument dosen't really work considering Hudler and Haydar have both led the league in points and Kopecky was a great player in the AHL

ya i figured thats why i put (if that really matters) but still....

[CrossoverThrash 0]

ya i figured thats why i put (if that really matters) but still....

I htink Ryan has potential but people saying theyd rather have him than the Mule is rediculous

[ben_usmc 253]

6 points in 7 games is downright awful. You make the comparison to Cogliano. Cogliano has 10 points in over 20 games (22 or 23) and Ryan has six in seven. Maybe my math is a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure that makes Ryan's production better than Cogliano's.

Ryan was #2 or #3 on pretty well every draft list. He and Jack Johnson flipped-flopped.

Besides, power forwards always take a little longer to develop.

buls*** the moment The Mule touched the ice he was scoring

[rage 24]

I htink Ryan has potential but people saying theyd rather have him than the Mule is rediculous

I count One person saying that 'CT'.

I think we'd all take the MULE right now!

[The Mule 0]

Listen, I hate the Ducks, and I want their prospects to fail as much as the next guy, but to call a player a bust who hasn't even played a full season in the NHL is incredibly asinine.

[Dabura 12,232]

I htink Ryan has potential but people saying theyd rather have him than the Mule is rediculous

No, it's not. Like Eva said, Mule is slightly better right now -- but Ryan is much younger, has much greater potential, and will be making much less than Mule come next season. I love Mule and have been a vocal supporter of his through thick and thin. But 10 out of 10 GMs would take Ryan, and for good reason.

[toby91_ca 620]

The AHL arugument dosen't really work considering Hudler and Haydar have both led the league in points and Kopecky was a great player in the AHL

I think the issue is that you really have no choice but to look at what he's done in the AHL, I mean, that's really his only experience so far. I wouldn't look at that and suggest he's a star because of it, but I think to defend a guy from an argument that he's a bust, it's certainly legitimate.

I also think you need to put things in perspective. Ryan has put up 77pts in 70 AHL games at the age of 19-21, the guys you mentioned were all older when they produced in the AHL. Hudler had his first big year in the AHL the year he turned 22, Kopecky the year he turned 24 and Haydar didn't even step foot on AHL ice until he was 23, his first big year was at the age of 26. Ryan is 21......21, how can anyone be suggesting he's a bust?

[toby91_ca 620]

buls*** the moment The Mule touched the ice he was scoring

You mean when he was a rookie at the age of 26 and put up 16 pts in 80 games? Or the following year (at 27) when he put up 30 pts? Wait, maybe you're talking about last year (28) when he put up 38 pts?

Let's get a grip on reality here. This year will probably be Franzen's true coming out year when he puts up some serious point totals, but he is 29 (or will be in a couple weeks) and I don't see him being too much better for any significant extended time.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I count One person saying that 'CT'.

I think we'd all take the MULE right now!

Like some of our more esteemed colleagues have already pointed out, Franzen is damned near 30 years old already. He's a very hard working player who is riding a ridiculous hot streak.

But Bobby Ryan is still a top flight prospect. He's barely had time to get his feet wet in the NHL and he's already looking pretty good from the games I have watched. He's getting more confident and using his abilities more this year.

He's big and he can play with a little bit of bite. He's got a true scoring touch and will likely develop into a true power forward.

He's younger, he's cheaper and his potential is still enormously high.

I don't know that I would trade Mule for him right now as Mule brings more to the table this season. But beyond this year, I'd swap him for Ryan in a heartbeat.