Avery comments & suspension

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

I think it's safe to say that noone really gives much weight to what Avery says. He does not have a reputation for being intellectual or a genius. That's not what he is, nor does he pretend to be. Most that know about him would say he is an ass. I think he probably admits he is an ass. His comment was rude, uncalled for, classless, demeaning, sexist, stupid, and any other type of negative you want to throw at it. So what? Everyone knows he is an ass....what would you expect? Avery is a joke. The problem is jokes used to be at someone elses expense in order to be funny. You can't make fun of people any more. Their feelings might get hurt, and that's not very nice. We want a nice little world with a nice little version of hockey in it. I can't stand politically correct. I think peoples feelings get hurt way too easily these days. I am pretty sure that Elisha knows she is not sloppy seconds. Dion knows it, too. So do we. Surprise, surprise....Avery knows it too. He's just an ass, so what do you expect?

Here's how it should play out in my opinion....Boy and girl break up. (who broke up with who?) Girl gets new boyfriend. Old boyfriend talks trash. New boyfriend catches up to old boyfriend and punches him in the mouth because his girls' honor is at stake. Chivalry is not dead except in a politically correct world.

.....or.......

Dion and Elisha ignore the ass because he doesn't really matter. If someone talked trash about my wife that's probably my 2 choices. Punch the jerk in the mouth (pretty likely) or ignore the fool cuz he's an ass. I know who and what my wife is no matter what a simple ass thinks.

Bettman is worse for hockey than an ass like Avery will ever be. Wind Sean up and let him go, I say. oh, and don't crucify me for advocating violence. I know most of you would like to pop Bettman in the kisser. C'mon now... tell the truth.

[Guest Shoreline]

I think it's safe to say that noone really gives much weight to what Avery says. He does not have a reputation for being intellectual or a genius. That's not what he is, nor does he pretend to be. Most that know about him would say he is an ass. I think he probably admits he is an ass. His comment was rude, uncalled for, classless, demeaning, sexist, stupid, and any other type of negative you want to throw at it. So what? Everyone knows he is an ass....what would you expect? Avery is a joke. The problem is jokes used to be at someone elses expense in order to be funny. You can't make fun of people any more. Their feelings might get hurt, and that's not very nice. We want a nice little world with a nice little version of hockey in it. I can't stand politically correct. I think peoples feelings get hurt way too easily these days. I am pretty sure that Elisha knows she is not sloppy seconds. Dion knows it, too. So do we. Surprise, surprise....Avery knows it too. He's just an ass, so what do you expect?

Here's how it should play out in my opinion....Boy and girl break up. (who broke up with who?) Girl gets new boyfriend. Old boyfriend talks trash. New boyfriend catches up to old boyfriend and punches him in the mouth because his girls' honor is at stake. Chivalry is not dead except in a politically correct world.

.....or.......

Dion and Elisha ignore the ass because he doesn't really matter. If someone talked trash about my wife that's probably my 2 choices. Punch the jerk in the mouth (pretty likely) or ignore the fool cuz he's an ass. I know who and what my wife is no matter what a simple ass thinks.

Bettman is worse for hockey than an ass like Avery will ever be. Wind Sean up and let him go, I say. oh, and don't crucify me for advocating violence. I know most of you would like to pop Bettman in the kisser. C'mon now... tell the truth.

You just really gave validity to those who suggested the Avery support is due to being anti-Bettman.

And Phaneuf did come out and comment about it after the game. He didn't look at all like it didn't affect him. Even Turco looked pretty affected by it.

If there's anything turning into politically correct here is the anti-Bettman = don't suspend Avery theme.

[ltgator333 3]

I'm confused. How can this girl be "sloppy" seconds if she is with Phaneuf? Aren't douchebags supposed to get rid of the sloppiness issue?

whooooaaaa lmao!!!!

I'm gonna say I realize the irony in the suspension length (however long it ends up being..) compared to other probably more severe acts on the ice but, I can't subscribe to anyone's opinion that says Avery hasn't brought this on himself. The guys good for controversy, everybody knows it. He's been told before to keep his mouth shut and he didn't. Screw him.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

I think this was a major overreaction. Granted, "sloppy seconds" is pretty degrading, but it's also kinda funny. Not to mention we missed out on the best part, Phaneuf cleaning Avery's clock.

[Louisville 112]

You probably should, especially of recent events. The league has been pretty consistent lately with what it will and will not tolerate of both on ice and off-ice antics. It is not much to ask that off the ice (especially in the locker rooms) that their players act with a little professional decorum. This isn't the first time a player has verbally attacked another, and it certainly won't be the last, either. The precedent has to be set and the league, nor do the players as a body, want this league to be associated with that sort of way to "do business".

I think it has more to do with the way the league "does business" that is inconsistent. This is particularly true when it comes to treatment of players based on who they are. Pronger and Simon are a good example. Though Simon's action's were was a bit more malicious, considering Pronger's rap sheet, his suspension was a joke. If I remember correctly, Simon wasn't too happy about it either and even asked the NHL what the hell kind of mixed message they were sending.

Or how about this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upeLPWApt6w

That only warrants 5 games in the NHL's book.

It's kinda hard to actually know what the NHL will tolerate. Some of this stuff is not as black and white as the Bertuzzi - Moore incident was.

They are just now addressing head shots and warning players not to do it. It's funny that you bring up consistency because they should have be very consistent and clear about that long ago. Not when Simon Gagne starts to get upset about it.

Again, Avery deserves punishment, but let's not go overboard here.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Louisville

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

I think he should get suspended, but not thrown out of the league. As someone stated earlier, he is the only thing getting the NHL ANY kind of press at all. Good, bad or otherwise it's still press.

[Guest Shoreline]

So Shaq attacks the NBA MVP verbally and he gets nothing. Avery attacks a players g/f verbally and gets suspended indefinitely?

I showed the clip to a few friends and I said isn't this funny, they laughed. Then i told them he has been suspended indefinitely by the NHL and they just looked at me confused. This suspension is ridiculous.

Thankfully, the NBA is not the NHL.

[Opie 308]

So Shaq attacks the NBA MVP verbally and he gets nothing. Avery attacks a players g/f verbally and gets suspended indefinitely?

I showed the clip to a few friends and I said isn't this funny, they laughed. Then i told them he has been suspended indefinitely by the NHL and they just looked at me confused. This suspension is ridiculous.

Kobe tell me how my ass taste!

BTW I think the difference is that Shaq did it in a underground rap club and not to the media.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Opie

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

If nothing is done, it does set the stage for more of it. You don't allow something to get completely out of hand before an unwanted action is corrected. That is very simple behavioral psychology. The NHL does not want it, and neither do the players. And as a fan who does not want to see the NHL promoted in the same fashion of the WWE or sleazy, s***ty "talk shows" like Jerry Springer, the integrity of the game and it's image matters more than merely attention itself sans consideration of image.

You make some very good points, but I have to wonder at the idea that nobody wants to see it. The NHL doesn't want fighting, but the players and the fans sure do. (any arena anywhere when a fight is allowed to happen....isn't everyone on their feet?!) I agree...I don't want sleaze. A little trash, yes. But sleaze is in the eye of the beholder, right?

[Guest Shoreline]

I think it has more to do with the way the league "does business" that is inconsistent. This is particularly true when it comes to treatment of players based on who they are. Pronger and Simon are a good example. Though Simon's action's were was a bit more malicious, considering Pronger's rap sheet, his suspension was a joke. If I remember correctly, Simon wasn't too happy about it either and even asked the NHL what the hell kind of mixed message they were sending.

Or how about this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upeLPWApt6w

That only warrants 5 games in the NHL's book.

It's kinda hard to actually know what the NHL will tolerate. Some of this stuff is not as black and white as the Bertuzzi - Moore incident was.

They are just now addressing head shots and warning players not to do it. It's funny that you bring up consistency because they should have be very consistent and clear about that long ago. Not when Simon Gagne starts to get upset about it.

Again, Avery deserves punishment, but let's not go overboard here.

Verbal abuse is not terribly different than physical abuse, in terms of the effect they cause. And I didn't see Nashville players coming out against Tootoo for that cheap shot, from their own players to their coach.

The only thing inconsistent with the league is how they call penalties. What they will take in terms of off ice antics clearly has a line drawn. Some people, however, are taking their "f*** Bettman" mentality a bit too far.

[Nev 1,085]

wow, just seen the full clip on youtube - what a complete and utter tosspot.

From the way he sidles up and asks if there's a camera running, to the fact that all he has to say is the sloppy 2nds comment, to the childish "look-at-me-I'm-clever-I-said something-rude" grin on his face it is patently obvious he only did this for one reason - not to wind up Phaneuf, but to focus all the attention on HIM.

Brett Hull signing him to a big contract is the 2nd worst sports managment decision ever (giving Millen a 5 year extension has to be #1)

[donfishmaster 62]

I think it has more to do with the way the league "does business" that is inconsistent. This is particularly true when it comes to treatment of players based on who they are. Pronger and Simon are a good example. Though Simon's action's were was a bit more malicious, considering Pronger's rap sheet, his suspension was a joke. If I remember correctly, Simon wasn't too happy about it either and even asked the NHL what the hell kind of mixed message they were sending.

Or how about this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upeLPWApt6w

That only warrants 5 games in the NHL's book.

It's kinda hard to actually know what the NHL will tolerate. Some of this stuff is not as black and white as the Bertuzzi - Moore incident was.

They are just now addressing head shots and warning players not to do it. It's funny that you bring up consistency because they should have be very consistent and clear about that long ago. Not when Simon Gagne starts to get upset about it.

Again, Avery deserves punishment, but let's not go overboard here.

OK, now SEAN, KWAAME, TOOTOO, & PRICK-PRONGER are all victims of a racist society!!!

[MacK_Attack 108]

So Shaq attacks the NBA MVP verbally and he gets nothing. Avery attacks a players g/f verbally and gets suspended indefinitely?

I showed the clip to a few friends and I said isn't this funny, they laughed. Then i told them he has been suspended indefinitely by the NHL and they just looked at me confused. This suspension is ridiculous.

That's because you only get suspended for off-court actions in the NBA if you shoot somebody or are involved in an armed robbery. Fortunately, the NHL doesn't have to deal with things like that.

[Louisville 112]

Sean Avery - Evil Genius

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/...videoId=3632996

Wait! He dresses dolls?!!!! f*** HIM!!!!!!!!!!

esteef

Thanks for posting that.

That video actually improved my opinion of Sean. Controversy aside, he seems like a guy who knows what he wants and doesn't care if you don't like it. Good for him, most people are too afraid of accepting who they are and running with it.

Also, I love that Brett Hull is in that video saying that they signed him because the Stars were becoming too "vanilla." I couldn't help but crack up considering what he's saying now.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Louisville

[Louisville 112]

Verbal abuse is not terribly different than physical abuse, in terms of the effect they cause. And I didn't see Nashville players coming out against Tootoo for that cheap shot, from their own players to their coach.

The only thing inconsistent with the league is how they call penalties. What they will take in terms of off ice antics clearly has a line drawn. Some people, however, are taking their "f*** Bettman" mentality a bit too far.

Sorry, can't agree with you on that one. A skate to the leg or a sucker punch to the face with your glove on is very different from calling an ex-girlfriend a *****. Plus, let's not kid ourselves, Avery knew exactly what he was doing. To be perfectly honest, he probably did it out of boredom. I'm starting to doubt what I said earlier, he probably doesn't care about Elisha or Dion. s***'s and giggles, I say.

The verbal side can be unacceptable, yes, but they are terribly different. I think Steve Moore would have preferred Bertuzzi calling him a spineless piece of s*** who should go to hell, and that his mother a ****, rather than have his neck broken...

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

This is why the sports media looks at hockey players as being the most boring athletes to interview and cover, hence they never do cover them like they do with the other leagues.

A suspension like this isn't going to help that either. I don't think the media in Dallas is dying with anticipation at the chance of interviewing Matt Niskanen or Sergei Zubov. Guys like Avery who run their mouths off is how the league can get exposure through sportswriters and sports media that will be willing to give the league more coverage and interviews.

The hard truth is that sportswriters are more interested in guys like Avery or someone like Terrell Owens than they ever will be in some classy primadonna like Mike Modano or even a guy like Lidstrom.

This is a perfect example of Gary Bettman once again doing something that's bad for the league in the long run. How many mulligans can this commissioner pull?

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

Verbal abuse is not terribly different than physical abuse, in terms of the effect they cause.

Seriously? This statement seems a little vague and open to a lot of interpretation. As it reads I have to ask.....seriously?

[Opie 308]

Seriously? This statement seems a little vague and open to a lot of interpretation. As it reads I have to ask.....seriously?

Put a call into Child Services in your town or state and they will tell you that verbal abuse can actually be worse and have far more severe long term repercussions on a psyche!

Not saying in this particular case but in general mental abuse is far more severe than physical (obviously not if the person is being beat to death) however I would hardly call what Avery did mental abuse.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

I was wondering when these two threads would get merged. Crap....now I hafta go back and read it all again so I don't make an uninformed comment.

Edited December 3, 2008 by HOCKEY MATTERS

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

Put a call into Child Services in your town or state and they will tell you that verbal abuse can actually be worse and have far more severe long term repercussions on a psyche!

Not saying in this particular case but in general mental abuse is far more severe than physical (obviously not if the person is being beat to death) however I would hardly call what Avery did mental abuse.

Exactly. Especially wit kids. But you see my point? You were very clear in your statement. Shoreline, not so much. I thought that was his/her meaning but I would have had to assume, and that usually gets me in some trouble........

We weren't talking about kids though, so I questioned. No sarcasm or hate. Just questioned.

[Opie 308]

Exactly. Especially wit kids. But you see my point? You were very clear in your statement. Shoreline, not so much. I thought that was his/her meaning but I would have had to assume, and that usually gets me in some trouble........

We weren't talking about kids though, so I questioned. No sarcasm or hate. Just questioned.

None taken that is why at the end I put that I didn't think what Avery did was abuse.

[Seraph 240]

The suspension was due to "harming" the reputation of the league and game. I think all the harm, if any, would be to Avery looking like an idiot. Let him say what he wants and don't suspend the guy from a game that might actually attract some casual fans. That's all I have to say.

[DallasStars 0]

Hello folks,

If you don't remember me, I'm a Stars fan who was here last playoffs and did my best to give you guys some insight on our point of view on things. Well, I figured with all this hoopla going on and our game against you guys coming up that I'd make a return for a bit.

1. Avery. I have never, ever liked this guy at all. In fact, I'd go so far as t say he is on my "most hated" list. With that knowledge you wouldn't be surprised that I was not too happy with signing him. Especially at 4 mil a year. Well, I still do not like the guy whatsoever, but what he said does NOT warrant an suspension, in my mind. It's almost silly. I know the intent with searching out a camera and all and the fact that it's not Avery's first time doing something stupid, but really? A suspension?

2. The game coming up. It's pretty simple. We will have to play our best game of the year to have a chance at a victory. Our defensemen are hitting their sophmore slump...hard. And with injuries to key players(Zubov, Lehtinen, Morrow) we are really hurting rightnow.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

Hello folks,

If you don't remember me, I'm a Stars fan who was here last playoffs and did my best to give you guys some insight on our point of view on things. Well, I figured with all this hoopla going on and our game against you guys coming up that I'd make a return for a bit.

1. Avery. I have never, ever liked this guy at all. In fact, I'd go so far as t say he is on my "most hated" list. With that knowledge you wouldn't be surprised that I was not too happy with signing him. Especially at 4 mil a year. Well, I still do not like the guy whatsoever, but what he said does NOT warrant an suspension, in my mind. It's almost silly. I know the intent with searching out a camera and all and the fact that it's not Avery's first time doing something stupid, but really? A suspension?

2. The game coming up. It's pretty simple. We will have to play our best game of the year to have a chance at a victory. Our defensemen are hitting their sophmore slump...hard. And with injuries to key players(Zubov, Lehtinen, Morrow) we are really hurting rightnow.

Good to see you again....you are always welcome here.

I know the intent with searching out a camera and all and the fact that it's not Avery's first time Anyone ever notice that Ozzy searches out cameras, too? Especially when someone else is getting interviewed. Good thing we can't hear what he's saying, huh?

disclaimer: this is a joke. please laugh or just ignore me, ok?

[isbister 0]

Hello folks,

If you don't remember me, I'm a Stars fan who was here last playoffs and did my best to give you guys some insight on our point of view on things. Well, I figured with all this hoopla going on and our game against you guys coming up that I'd make a return for a bit.

1. Avery. I have never, ever liked this guy at all. In fact, I'd go so far as t say he is on my "most hated" list. With that knowledge you wouldn't be surprised that I was not too happy with signing him. Especially at 4 mil a year. Well, I still do not like the guy whatsoever, but what he said does NOT warrant an suspension, in my mind. It's almost silly. I know the intent with searching out a camera and all and the fact that it's not Avery's first time doing something stupid, but really? A suspension?

2. The game coming up. It's pretty simple. We will have to play our best game of the year to have a chance at a victory. Our defensemen are hitting their sophmore slump...hard. And with injuries to key players(Zubov, Lehtinen, Morrow) we are really hurting rightnow.

1. I agree 100%

2. The Stars have 0% chance. Wings will have a day off and there legs game over.

3. I will be in section 105 row 1 and will be supporting a Lidstom Jersey.

4. I drink Miller Lite, bring me a few.