trade hudler NOW

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

As someone said, it's a good thing fans don't make the trades. At least with some trade proposals on this site there is a modicum of logic involved. There is nothing of the sort here. While we may lose Huddles in the offseason, trading him now would be a poor move.

And anyone who brings up trading Cleary forgets that fact that he has a no trade clause until 2012. He isn't going anywhere.

Trade Draper for Tucker was always a popular/annoying/repetitive trade solution on here that never was going to go anywhere.

[finalfilppula 2]

And I didn't think that it could get even more ridiculous.....

[Guest MrSandMan]

I'm not going to take the time to read this entire thread. But Hudler isn't going to be traded. His contract won't be better than Holmers contract either. I figure $2 -$2.25 per year (maybe a short contract).

And that's probably how Holland gets Franzen, Zetter and Hudler signed with the lower cap space (if it is lower) is to sign each player to short contracts and hope for the cap space to go up soon. It's my crazy thought.

Either way, I'm confident that Franzen, Zets and Hudler will be resigned.

[IceMunkee 15]

I agree, but following your agrument, shouldn't your ">" be a "<"?

esteef

LMAO!!!! You are exactly right. Although it was like 3am and a bit tipsy. Funny though...

[Drake_Marcus 890]

No. Turco would be the low point...

You're kidding right? Holland would JUMP at the idea of trading Hulder+ for Turco. Turco's a top five goalie in this league in any other year than this one. He's relatively young as far as starting goalies go, and he's at his lowest point in trade value right now.

Anyone that thinks all-star goalies magically lose their ability and become instantly crap is an idiot. Turco's the same goalie that drove us to 6 games after being up 3-0. He's struggling this year on a Dallas team that's been hamstrung with injuries.

Kipper has had some rotten starts to some seasons, but he's a game stealing goalie. At this time last year would you be laughing at the idea of acquiring him?

[VM1138 1,921]

You're kidding right? Holland would JUMP at the idea of trading Hulder+ for Turco. Turco's a top five goalie in this league in any other year than this one. He's relatively young as far as starting goalies go, and he's at his lowest point in trade value right now.

Anyone that thinks all-star goalies magically lose their ability and become instantly crap is an idiot. Turco's the same goalie that drove us to 6 games after being up 3-0. He's struggling this year on a Dallas team that's been hamstrung with injuries.

Kipper has had some rotten starts to some seasons, but he's a game stealing goalie. At this time last year would you be laughing at the idea of acquiring him?

Goalies always lose their magic. It's not idiotic. How many goalies have been consistently good year in, year out?

Kipper, Brodeur, Luongo.....well, that's about it. I'd say Turco has been pretty stable and has been a great goalie.

That being said, he's a lifer for the Stars, won't be leaving, and I'm not sure he'd be an upgrade over Ozzie, who is also one of the few stable goalies in the league.

Goalies fluctuate in quality over the years more than any other position.

Oh, and for the record, Luongo WILL be a Wing at some point in the future. Might be three, four, five, six years from now, but it'll happen. Mark my words.

Edited December 14, 2008 by VM1138

[IceMunkee 15]

You're kidding right? Holland would JUMP at the idea of trading Hulder+ for Turco. Turco's a top five goalie in this league in any other year than this one. He's relatively young as far as starting goalies go, and he's at his lowest point in trade value right now.

Anyone that thinks all-star goalies magically lose their ability and become instantly crap is an idiot. Turco's the same goalie that drove us to 6 games after being up 3-0. He's struggling this year on a Dallas team that's been hamstrung with injuries.

Kipper has had some rotten starts to some seasons, but he's a game stealing goalie. At this time last year would you be laughing at the idea of acquiring him?

I would be very excited about a Hudler for Turco or Kipper trade... Seriously though it is an impossible thought. Hudler is just not that valuable. I am not so sure he ever will be. To every GM in the league Huddles is a streaky 3rd liner with a top 6 in a pinch kinda guy...

[Guest Crymson]

you people are a bunch of f*cking drama queens who need trades to make your lives complete. Go watch wrestling.

I'll trade you JBL for HHH.

[Doggy 130]

So wait... hang on.

This thread is serious?

[IceMunkee 15]

Goalies always lose their magic. It's not idiotic. How many goalies have been consistently good year in, year out?

Kipper, Brodeur, Luongo.....well, that's about it. I'd say Turco has been pretty stable and has been a great goalie.

That being said, he's a lifer for the Stars, won't be leaving, and I'm not sure he'd be an upgrade over Ozzie, who is also one of the few stable goalies in the league.

Goalies fluctuate in quality over the years more than any other position.

Oh, and for the record, Luongo WILL be a Wing at some point in the future. Might be three, four, five, six years from now, but it'll happen. Mark my words.

I am marking your words and would be willing to bet almost anything on this...

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I'll trade you JBL for HHH.

Throw in HBK and a draft pick and you have a deal.

[dicksmack 33]

Trade Hudler ? No way.

Did you not see him win puck battles all through the playoffs last year?

[Guest Crymson]

Throw in HBK and a draft pick and you have a deal.

In that case, you'll need to gift me Rey Mysterio. I'll let you keep the draft pick.

[Wings_Rule_1010 4]

I know huds has been great and all... and I like him a lot... but I think the smartest thing to do would be to trade him now. He ridic. hot and his value will never be higher than it is right now. We aren't going to have the money to re-sign him next year... and Babs doesnt like him. He won't even play him on top 2 lines besides like 5 games at the beginning of the year. I say trade him now... for a goalie. Maybe something like Huds+Cleary for Vokoun. I know he's struggling but he's still a top 10 goalie IMO and anderson is playing great. Maybe even Huds for Roloson? Fernandez? What do u guys think? Like I said i love Hudler... just dont wanna see us lose him for nothing... ecspecially when our D/goaltending is struggling.

edit: wasn't aware of how much Vokoun made... i guess we'd have to throw flip in there too.....

Why do so many people want to get rid of Cleary? He has a no trade clause.

Wasn't it Vokoun who called the Wings cocky a couple years back?

Edited December 14, 2008 by Wings_Rule_1010

[union drone 0]

I know huds has been great and all... and I like him a lot... but I think the smartest thing to do would be to trade him now. He ridic. hot and his value will never be higher than it is right now. We aren't going to have the money to re-sign him next year... and Babs doesnt like him. He won't even play him on top 2 lines besides like 5 games at the beginning of the year. I say trade him now... for a goalie. Maybe something like Huds+Cleary for Vokoun. I know he's struggling but he's still a top 10 goalie IMO and anderson is playing great. Maybe even Huds for Roloson? Fernandez? What do u guys think? Like I said i love Hudler... just dont wanna see us lose him for nothing... ecspecially when our D/goaltending is struggling.

Even if the Wings get fleeced in the off-season as a result, I think that the Wings should try to win now with the deep lineup that they have.

Sure, a Hudler trade might be good in the long-term while keeping the Wings of the present competitive, but there are a lot of competitive teams that never win the Cup. Also, for every draft pick that pans out, there are several that go nowhere. It would be a roll of the dice trying to get a player of Hudler's calibre via the draft.

[WhiteLightning91 105]

I fail to see how Holland can sign Hudler for any less than what Cleary or Filppula are making...I am a huge fan of Huds and will be uber pissed if he is lossed this offseason.

Edited December 14, 2008 by WhiteLightning91

[Rivalred 630]

Have a feeling Hudler or Flip will be moved by the trade deadline.

[WingNut 25 5]

Trade Hudler? Hudler and Cleary for Vokoun? Wow. You just proved you know nothing about hockey.

[Guest Crymson]

Have a feeling Hudler or Flip will be moved by the trade deadline.

Not happening.

You do understand the value of locker room chemistry and loyalty between the players and the organization, right? That's much of what makes this team what it is, what has attracted players like Hossa, and it's why we've only traded away one roster player in the last four seasons.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

In that case, you'll need to gift me Rey Mysterio. I'll let you keep the draft pick.

I dont think Vince McMahon would pass that. I guess we're just going have to call it off.

Oh, and as far as the thread is concerned. The 4th leading scorer on the team, and the hardest working player for a goalie barely better then Ozzie, but 3 more million dollars worth. Yeah, no good.

[TheOwl 77]

If he hates him so much, why did he get the 4th shot in the shootout over Hossa. Perhaps because Hossa missed the net a lot yesterday. But I don't see why signing Hudler for 3 million next season is impossible. For someone averaging a point a game, 3 million is well worth it. I doubt he would ask for more.

[gowings00 545]

What makes the wings so great is that we have talent like Huds on our third or even fourth line. Until this last year we always seemed to have trouble scoring in the playoffs.

My humble opinion is that we need to stop switching up the lines so that Malts and Kronwall stop passing the puck to invisible players. They guys looked confused in our own zone.

Edited December 14, 2008 by gowings00

[mackel 768]

This idea isnt as crazy as it seems... Let's remember we have a lot of forward strength on the griffins not to mention 1 or possibly 2 NHL ready defencemen.

I would try and keep Hudler but thats not to say a package of Flip, Kopecky, Lebda and Conklin/Howard wouldn't fetch a better option in goal than we have now. All of Flip, Kopecky and Lebda are easily replaced from the farn and could fetch a solid goalie from a struggling team looking to tank for the #1 overall draft pick.

Names that fit that bill:

Toskala (TOR)

Bryzgalov (PHO)

Mike Smith (TB)

Now some people will argue these guys have similar numbers to either Conklin or Osgood but lets keep in mind these goalies don't have the talent infront of them that Conks or Ozzie do and given that advantage they could only have better numbers given that each of the 3 I have mention can steal a game... something our guys clearly have not done.

[lets go pavel 2]

This idea isnt as crazy as it seems... Let's remember we have a lot of forward strength on the griffins not to mention 1 or possibly 2 NHL ready defencemen.

I would try and keep Hudler but thats not to say a package of Flip, Kopecky, Lebda and Conklin/Howard wouldn't fetch a better option in goal than we have now. All of Flip, Kopecky and Lebda are easily replaced from the farn and could fetch a solid goalie from a struggling team looking to tank for the #1 overall draft pick.

Names that fit that bill:

Toskala (TOR)

Bryzgalov (PHO)

Mike Smith (TB)

Now some people will argue these guys have similar numbers to either Conklin or Osgood but lets keep in mind these goalies don't have the talent infront of them that Conks or Ozzie do and given that advantage they could only have better numbers given that each of the 3 I have mention can steal a game... something our guys clearly have not done.

Are you serious? Toskala, Bryzgalov, and Smith? First of all, none of their teams are going to be looking to get rid of their starting goalie, and Howard/Conklin isn't going to convince them. More importantly, how the hell do they help us? None of those three is an upgrade. They could just as easily have worse numbers, and none of them have proven they can do anything in the postseason. I seem to remember winning a cup with Ozzie sometime not so long ago. As a number of people have already stated, we're not going to get a better goalie for anything we'd be willing to give up ...

[mackel 768]

Are you serious? Toskala, Bryzgalov, and Smith? First of all, none of their teams are going to be looking to get rid of their starting goalie, and Howard/Conklin isn't going to convince them. More importantly, how the hell do they help us? None of those three is an upgrade. They could just as easily have worse numbers, and none of them have proven they can do anything in the postseason. I seem to remember winning a cup with Ozzie sometime not so long ago. As a number of people have already stated, we're not going to get a better goalie for anything we'd be willing to give up ...

Especially not with that attitude... sheeze....

I covered your pont before you made it, when I said the guys I mentioned can steal a game and ours can't... watch the tape... Also, its common sense that a talented goalie on a poor team when given some support on a good team will be as good (minimum) or better (likely).