2009 Free Agents

[pockets 9]

id say if i came down to us not getting 2 of our big 3 Hossa, Z and The Mule (doesnt seem likely) Cammaleri would be an interesting pick would like to see what he could do with Pasha centering for him

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Only if there was no cap.

Hossa is replaced by Leino/Helm

Huds is replaced by Leino/Helm

Cheli Retires

Conklin is replaced by Larson or Howard

Lebda is replaced by Ericsson

Kopetsky is replaced by Abdelkader?

Forget free agents, we have no cap space.

Franzen is not going anywhere. Huds or Sammy will go before mule.

Hossa is gone for sure.

Did I miss the part where this thread was about who we definitely think and know Holland is going to sign. This is about who we WANT. Cool it with the knee-jerk ego-inflating criticism.

1. Leino has to be re-signed

2. Hudler is not going to be traded when we can take him to arbitration.

3. Abdelkader is not ready to join the NHL and will not make the team.

4. Franzen "not going anywhere" is not a decision that is left to Holland alone.

5. If you're familiar with the players I suggested, then you would know the difference between signing a guy like Cole (whos gonna be coming off a terrible year) and Cammy is fairly substantial financially speaking, and as such, would be accounted for under a cap.

Edited December 25, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[YoungGuns1340 1]

The issue is who we are going to keep, not who we are going to get...

It is possible we can keep the big three, but obviously not a certainty. If we can sign Z to the long term cap "friendly" number and if Franzen and Hossa want to stay enough to take good money but sacrifice the top dollars they can get, it can happen. But it's going to be a long process to try to work that out, and until it does, absolutely nothing's going to happen for free agents.

You think Detroit is still going to put all their effort into going after Franzen and Hossa July 1st when huge offers are going to be thrown at them? The beauty of free agency is that you more or less know how things are going to pan out in terms of who's going to re-sign and whos going to test the market BEFORE July 1st.

If Franzen is going the Stuart route and just has to get a few kinks figured out on the dawn of the free-market, thats one thing. But if hes taking the Mathieu Schneider approach and is going after the highest bidder from a decent team, you can be damn sure Holland is going to be considering his other options. You don't lose two goal scorers (yes, Hossa is gone, hes not going to take several million less to stay with the Wings just because we're the Wings) and go into July 1st not thinking about who your back-up options are. Same thing with Sammy, although replacing him is a much easier issue.

Somewhere lost in all this is the fact that guys like Hossa, Franzen, and Sammy all have a choice in the matter as to whether or not they stay or go. I think Holland is the best GM in the NHL, but you simply don't sit around asking players to take several million dollars less to stay with your team and expect them to do so. Its nice to believe "Franzen isn't going anywhere" but it was just a few years ago that Franzen was trying to squeeze a few extra bucks out of Holland late in the season as an RFA. I'm surprised no one seems to remember that.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Care to bet on that? It's almost impossible for all three of them to be back.

No. It IS Impossible that all three of them can come back. Re-signing all three of them is basically us going out and adding 7M dollars worth of payroll to our current team.

[dallas27 7]

(yes, Hossa is gone, hes not going to take several million less to stay with the Wings just because we're the Wings)

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the exact reason he took several million less to play with the Wings this year? The Wings retained the same team and blah blah blah and yada yada yada but it doesn't change the fact Hossa took several million less to play with the Wings this year. Unless you heard straight from Hossa's mouth that he would not be willing to take another discount it can happen again. But it really doesn't matter, Holland is going to lock Hank up for a long time, as he should.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

i think the orginal poster stated that this was a fun topic and not to get involved with cap issue's as such folks. In any case if Kenny wanted to get some cap space to keep all his

star forwards, whats to stop him trading Rafalski bringing up Ericsson and getting a $5m

cap release in one move? There are other options to the overall plan.

[eva unit zero 271]

i think the orginal poster stated that this was a fun topic and not to get involved with cap issue's as such folks. In any case if Kenny wanted to get some cap space to keep all his

star forwards, whats to stop him trading Rafalski bringing up Ericsson and getting a $5m

cap release in one move? There are other options to the overall plan.

Rafalski's no-trade clause.

That said, the biggest option for keeping Hossa and Franzen without some kind of discount is trading Filppula. Which isn't going to happen.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the exact reason he took several million less to play with the Wings this year? The Wings retained the same team and blah blah blah and yada yada yada but it doesn't change the fact Hossa took several million less to play with the Wings this year. Unless you heard straight from Hossa's mouth that he would not be willing to take another discount it can happen again. But it really doesn't matter, Holland is going to lock Hank up for a long time, as he should.

Yes. Hossa took SEVERAL MILLION LESS to play with the Wings THIS YEAR when the retained their ENTIRE CUP WINNING ROSTER. What about that do you not understand as being a special circumstance? And this is IGNORING the fact that the cap will fall and we're already tight against the cap with 3 big raises to give to guys not including Marian Hossa.

But yeah, Hossa is going to sign for 7M when he could make 9 after we had to trade Samuelsson, Hudler, and let Franzen go to retain him. Right.

This is beyond wishful thinking. Its delusion.

[Z and D for the C 712]

I would LOVE to see clowe a wing. LOVE.

[egroen 384]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the exact reason he took several million less to play with the Wings this year? The Wings retained the same team and blah blah blah and yada yada yada but it doesn't change the fact Hossa took several million less to play with the Wings this year. Unless you heard straight from Hossa's mouth that he would not be willing to take another discount it can happen again. But it really doesn't matter, Holland is going to lock Hank up for a long time, as he should.

Will Hossa accept $4 million?

[dallas27 7]

Yes. Hossa took SEVERAL MILLION LESS to play with the Wings THIS YEAR when the retained their ENTIRE CUP WINNING ROSTER. What about that do you not understand as being a special circumstance?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the exact reason he took several million less to play with the Wings this year? The Wings retained the same team and blah blah blah and yada yada yada but it doesn't change the fact Hossa took several million less to play with the Wings this year. Unless you heard straight from Hossa's mouth that he would not be willing to take another discount it can happen again. But it really doesn't matter, Holland is going to lock Hank up for a long time, as he should.

I understand it perfectly, you decided to ignore it.

And this is IGNORING the fact that the cap will fall and we're already tight against the cap with 3 big raises to give to guys not including Marian Hossa.

But yeah, Hossa is going to sign for 7M when he could make 9 after we had to trade Samuelsson, Hudler, and let Franzen go to retain him. Right.

This is beyond wishful thinking. Its delusion.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the exact reason he took several million less to play with the Wings this year? The Wings retained the same team and blah blah blah and yada yada yada but it doesn't change the fact Hossa took several million less to play with the Wings this year. Unless you heard straight from Hossa's mouth that he would not be willing to take another discount it can happen again. But it really doesn't matter, Holland is going to lock Hank up for a long time, as he should.

Learn how to read friend. And how are you going to trade free agents? I'm quite curious to hear that explanation. It's either Hank or Hossa and as I said before Holland is locking up Hank as he should (it's also in the quote above in case you missed it). But if Hossa is willing to take less than Hank I'm going to have to think about that one. But again, if you heard straight from Hossa's mouth that he wouldn't take a discount that's cool. But a big part of me thinks you have never seen Hossa in person, let alone talked to him. So until then try to drop the I know what every player thinks and will do routine eh?

[uk_redwing 495]

I want Downey to have another season in the NHL before he retires...I plan to go to a wings game next season, and I want a slice of Downey.

[Doggy 130]

I want Downey to have another season in the NHL before he retires...I plan to go to a wings game next season, and I want a slice of Downey.

The Van Andel isn't that far from Detroit.

[dallas27 7]

Will Hossa accept $4 million?

Not a chance, but my argument isn't quantitative. My argument is although nobody knows whether or not Hossa would take a discount to stay on the team, however possible, that there isn't any evidence proving he wouldn't. There is evidence that he would, albeit (try to read what I'm typing this time Young) they have the same team as last year, in his (hopefully not so short) stint with the Wings in which he turned down huge amounts of money. Do I think it's going to happen? I'm not betting on it, especially since top priority is making Zetterberg a career Red Wing as it should be. But I'm simply not going to just throw it out the window.

I still want to know how you can trade free agents.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I understand it perfectly, you decided to ignore it.

Learn how to read friend. And how are you going to trade free agents? I'm quite curious to hear that explanation. It's either Hank or Hossa and as I said before Holland is locking up Hank as he should (it's also in the quote above in case you missed it). But if Hossa is willing to take less than Hank I'm going to have to think about that one. But again, if you heard straight from Hossa's mouth that he wouldn't take a discount that's cool. But a big part of me thinks you have never seen Hossa in person, let alone talked to him. So until then try to drop the I know what every player thinks and will do routine eh?

So you take one part of a three part circumstance to prove your point? That'd be nice and all, if there weren't other factors in Hossa's decision.

As for where I said "Samuelsson", I meant Filppula, but it IS nice to see that you have to jump on unintentional mistakes to make yourself seem knowledgeable.

And again, like most players who are on the losing side of debates, you bring on the hyperbole. Yes. I said that I know what every player thinks and will do. Thats exactly right. How about we go with a little logic here? Hossa will not return, let alone for a paycut. Period.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Not a chance, but my argument isn't quantitative. My argument is although nobody knows whether or not Hossa would take a discount to stay on the team, however possible, that there isn't any evidence proving he wouldn't. There is evidence that he would, albeit (try to read what I'm typing this time Young) they have the same team as last year, in his (hopefully not so short) stint with the Wings in which he turned down huge amounts of money. Do I think it's going to happen? I'm not betting on it, especially since top priority is making Zetterberg a career Red Wing as it should be. But I'm simply not going to just throw it out the window.

I still want to know how you can trade free agents.

I laugh at your inferiority complex that leads you to grasp at accidentals to make yourself feel superior.

At any rate, you want me to read what your typing, yet your sentences are so poorly constructed its hard to understand:

There is evidence that he would, albeit they have the same team as last year, in his (hopefully not so short) stint with the Wings in which he turned down huge amounts of money.

Its a poorly constructed sentence in which you misuse words and grammar tenses. Lets go for some decent grammar and structure before we start asking people to read it.

Aside from that, your argument is that of the straw man variety. And you juxtapose your position anyways, saying its not a quantitative argument when the retention of Marian Hossa is precisely a quantitative argument.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Lose Kopecky and hopefully Malts retires and bring in Chris Neil, at the same time bringing up Leino/Helm permanentally.

[chrisdetroit 189]

KH said that Howard has struggled with inconsistency to this point in the AHL and since Larsson and McCollum are young they'll probably stay where they are. Conklin could ask for more at the end of this contract. Anyone think Legace could make a comeback, if he gets his mind right on being a backup? If we need to get a backup, for whatever reason, I think he might be the front-runner.

You're kidding right? Legace? Mr. playoff choke? ah...no thanks

[chrisdetroit 189]

Care to bet on that? It's almost impossible for all three of them to be back.

I think that he flunked math.