GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 11, 2009 :blink: This is probably eva's favorite thread ever. He must be Hudler's secret pen-pal. You'd never see me inflating some player's ability beyond what it actually is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted January 11, 2009 This is probably eva's favorite thread ever. He must be Hudler's secret pen-pal. You'd never see me inflating some player's ability beyond what it actually is. You almost.... almost topped eva there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinRedWing 172 Report post Posted January 11, 2009 Hudler is underrated around the league,much like David Krejci. But among Wings fans he gets the praise he deserves. As for the usual Filppula comments,I wish someone could always write in Ansar Khan's comment before the bashing begins. I'm sure expectations were raised when he signed that five year, $15 million deal, but it's hard to pile up a lot of points when you're the third-line checking center and don't log any power-play minutes. He's been good defensively and the club isn't disappointed in him or concerned about him. I think he'll only get better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted January 11, 2009 Hudler is underrated around the league,much like David Krejci. But among Wings fans he gets the praise he deserves. I get the feeling Krejci will be getting plenty of attention come playoffs. Much more than Hudler. Mainly because his production will be much better and he won't be in the shadows of four teammates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Swift 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Hudler was a mediocre skater. He has worked hard on that and is now a quick skater. He is an above average defensive forward and he is a very good offensive player. If he builds muscle the way he has worked on his skating, he might become the best forward in the league. Eva, you make it very difficult to agree with you on the issue of Jiri Hudler. That being said, Jiri's been awesome all year long. I find it interesting that the work ethic and attitude problems he was said to have a couple years back are absolutely non-existent in his game right now; the guy never stops moving his feet. And for such a small player, Hudler is pretty tough to knock off the puck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 You're wrong. I was signing a different tune when Robert Lang and Huds were together. Last year Lang wasn't in a Red Wing uniform... or at least not in public. No. You were trashing Huds last season when Lang wasn't with the Wings. Saying he was a waste of space, too small, and needed to be traded. Trust me, I remember debating with you about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 However guys, lets not forget the 2 magic words. Contract year Don't get me wrong, I love Huds and his Scrappy-dappy-doo attitude, but lets not get carried away. As for Hudler vs Flip - do you really think Huds could've shut down Malkin last year like Flip did? No, me neither. Flippers time will be next year when the roster is gutted by Free Agency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 You're wrong. I was signing a different tune when Robert Lang and Huds were together. Last year Lang wasn't in a Red Wing uniform... or at least not in public. Lol. Don't worry Reem. Sandy either has a learning disability or just a s***ty liar. I hope for a miricle, but I doubt Hudler will ever have a full time career in the NHL. Hudler hasn't done anything on this team to prove he deserves a spot on our roster. I think he is a waste of space.. I've never been fond of Hudler, even when we had lazy Lang. I hate them both pretty much about the same. Holland good have thrown Hudler in on a "good-riddence" trade to chi-land. I whole-heartily agree that Hudler has no place on this team. He is our weakest link. Huds may have had the runs That may be why he is stinking up the ice Mac is proven to be a dynamite player when healthy. Like I said, it will take him more than 5 games to be 100%. It might take 5 games and a series... regardless, I don't have a doubt in my mind that he won't come around if he stays healthy. For playoffs, a 50% Mac is better than a 200% Hudler (though we are comparing oranges from apples). Hudler makes this team softer and more vulnerable defensivly. Mac, atleast, isn't a defensive risk, and he won't give the puck away like Hoods likes to do. Hudler looks like a little kid playing in a sandbox with 4-ton earth moving equipment. Despite his one-on-one shoot out performance this season, Hudler will never be an impact in NHL level. Hudler will never be a "St. Louis" like you all may hope (you may mark my words on that). SeeinRed, I don't think Hudler is capable of ever "stepping up". His shoot-out goals won't amount to anything in the post-season. My hope Holland is can find a way to pull a rabbit out of the hat and find a way to trade Hudler to a clueless GM who thinks Hudler "will" amount to something. My favourite: Maybe after Hudler game costs us an ejection from the playoffs, you'll pick up what we're putting down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 I'm at a point where I would rather see Holland keep Hudler over Filppula *AND* Franzen... if need be. He is younger, cheaper and has a lot more upside than Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Lol. Don't worry Reem. Sandy either has a learning disability or just a s***ty liar. Dude, you just totally PWN'd him. He's not gonna s*** right for a week. Good job! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nutz2u Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Lol. Don't worry Reem. Sandy either has a learning disability or just a s***ty liar. My favourite: Talk about "in black and white".....................Can't wiggle otta that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 at this moment Huds is better then flip, of course I'm banking on Flips contract to end up being a steal like Kronners was ina few years. You have to remember they are still fairly young, the Wings system just makes them look wise beyond there years; plus they aren't the malkins and crosbys who just come in and light it up Thats great and all. Doesn't change the fact that the Wings can't afford to pay a two-way forward 3M just to put up 35 points when they have a guy in GR who could up at least 1/2 of that production in a season for a 6th of the price. With the uncertainty of the cap future, you can't overpay for 1-3 years just to maybe squeak out an underpayment in the last few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Hudler is underrated around the league,much like David Krejci. But among Wings fans he gets the praise he deserves. As for the usual Filppula comments,I wish someone could always write in Ansar Khan's comment before the bashing begins. He doesn't get PP time because hes not as good offensively as 8 other players ahead of him. You're Finish. You're biased. End of story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Hudler is underrated, yes. The guy is a work-horse that never gives up and always supplies this team with energy. And yes, he has been quietly become a damned scary player. I'm reluctant to say he'll be as good as Dats or Z....but then again I had doubts about Z in his early seasons. Actually, I felt about Z what I feel about Hudler, so that's a connection I've never made before. Hudler isn't quite the two-way player Z is. I think Huds will be a legit scoring threat, and in a year or two could be a legit 1st liner, but I don't know if he'll ever be like those two. He could easily become a superior Franzen, though, and having those two back up Datsyuk and Zettberberg isn't shabby at all. In the early days, I thought Huds and Flip were going to be junior versions of Datsyuk and Zetterberg, but then Flip had to go and stop developing while Hudler kept rolling... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 He plays best when he's on the PP, because he has more room and isn't pushed around as much by defenders. However, when he's not on the PP, there's not as much room, he's easy to knock off the puck and gets dominated a lot physically along the boards. Therefore, he's not underrated, because in certain situations he's just not a useful player. The fact that he can score on our PP unit was never something I doubted about him. Hudler is 4th on the team in ESP. He has 20 Even strength points to Zetterbergs 23, who ranks 3rd on the team. He ranks 9th on the team in ES TOI, ahead of only Kopecky, Maltby, and Draper. He does more with his even strength time than Samuelsson, Franzen, Cleary, and Filppula - all bigger guys than him. In short, he does more with less. To say that he gets dominated physically is a joke and is likely a result of your perception of how he plays, rather than how he actually plays. Its no secret you have a penchant for big, rough and tumble guys, of which Hudler is not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Hudler is 4th on the team in ESP. He has 20 Even strength points to Zetterbergs 23, who ranks 3rd on the team. He ranks 9th on the team in ES TOI, ahead of only Kopecky, Maltby, and Draper. He does more with his even strength time than Samuelsson, Franzen, Cleary, and Filppula - all bigger guys than him. In short, he does more with less. To say that he gets dominated physically is a joke and is likely a result of your perception of how he plays, rather than how he actually plays. Its no secret you have a penchant for big, rough and tumble guys, of which Hudler is not. He doesn't fight and check people through the glass. GMR is immune. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 I'm at a point where I would rather see Holland keep Hudler over Filppula *AND* Franzen... if need be. He is younger, cheaper and has a lot more upside than Franzen. I really don't think Hudler and Franzen are ultimately going to get the bloated contracts that have been handed out the past few years. The sense I get from hearing some of these GMs talk lately is that most of them are scared s***less about what might happen to the cap this year and next. That said, with all the hype surrounding Franzen, I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see someone pitch a big offer for him, seeing him as the "missing piece" (ahem, pittsburgh). Hudler, I don't see that as much, even though his statistics warrant a decent paycheck, just because his name isn't tossed around as much throughout the NHL. Ultimately, though, one solution I could see to the situation is if Kenny has the feeling that Franzen is looking for 4-4.5, and Hudler goes for Cleary type money on a shorter-term contract (say, 2 years at 2.85), then be the first guy calling up Erik Cole on July 1st and pitch him an offer. Hes essentially the Canadian version of Franzen, except a little more physical. Coming off a bad year in Edmonton, he'd come at a discount. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Hudler is 4th on the team in ESP. He has 20 Even strength points to Zetterbergs 23, who ranks 3rd on the team. He ranks 9th on the team in ES TOI, ahead of only Kopecky, Maltby, and Draper. He does more with his even strength time than Samuelsson, Franzen, Cleary, and Filppula - all bigger guys than him. In short, he does more with less. To say that he gets dominated physically is a joke and is likely a result of your perception of how he plays, rather than how he actually plays. Its no secret you have a penchant for big, rough and tumble guys, of which Hudler is not. I wish you would have phrased that part differently but you may be right with the concept. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 He doesn't fight and check people through the glass. GMR is immune. You forgot to add that he's not Canadian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 You forgot to add that he's not Canadian. Meh. You do have a man-crush on Lilja. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Meh. You do have a man-crush on Lilja. I just call the fights the way I see them, buddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 I just call the fights the way I see them, buddy. I never said you were wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Meh. You do have a man-crush on Lilja. Thats exactly why I didn't add "Canadian" or "North American" into GMR's criterion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 You guys are just jealous that I noticed his greatness first, before a few other posters decided to jump on his bandwagon as his winning streak started mounting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 GMR, you are officially my favorite poster Oh and the biggest thing in the Franzen vs Hudler debate is size, at the end of the day we need Franzens big body and physical play to go along with his skill, whereas Hudler has the skill and the work ethic but just isnt the physical presence, if we had a forward crop with more size and physicality then that point is moot and you'd keep Hudler, but it isnt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
