swiss_fan 3 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Stuart/Rafalski/Kronwall/Filppula must go, they have got decent contracts but they are not playing as good to deserve them I agree that for now they don t play worth their contract for this year. Stuart is clearly the most expendable of the 4. Rafalski, don t think about it. Filpulla and Kronner have grown up here. Kronner has been really good during last year run and Filpulla show flash of brilliance sometimes.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Well I see the love affair with Stuart didn't last long. Stuart's known to make the occasional boneheaded play, but I think he's still a good second pairing guy, and more importantly he adds some much needed size and physical presence to our blueline. People can argue if the forwards need to be bigger or grittier or a fighter, but to me there's no debate that you need size on the blueline, especially under the new rules where you can't really use your stick on a guy. You need size to clear that real estate in front of the net. Our top pairing has to be one of the smallest and least physical in the NHL, it just works because one of them is Nick f-ing Lidstrom. Lilja and Stuart are really are only physically imposing blueliners, which adds to their value in spite of their blunders. Especially when you consider some of the hits Stuart throws. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Stuart/Rafalski/Kronwall/Filppula must go, they have got decent contracts but they are not playing as good to deserve them Ok, you just got rid of three of our four top defenseman. Now who are you going to replace that 65 minutes of ice time per game with? Lebda? Lilja? Chelios? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 I don't want to mention any names, but I'm sure that we could trade Thomas Kopecky for any enforcer. If that doesn't work out, we can always trade him for a good six-pack of beer. Lebda is the same way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) Stuart/Rafalski/Kronwall/Filppula must go, they have got decent contracts but they are not playing as good to deserve them Damn.... .............. ........... ......... what kind of bud they got in sweden? lol Lebda/Meech will be traded for late picks this summer Ericksson will play on the 3rd pairing with Lilja besides that dont expect any activity trade wise this year or summer.. expect only f/a losses of Hossa Kopecky and possibly Sammuelson. it would be awesome if someone offered a 1st rounder for Maltby but thats just the crack kicking in... Edited January 19, 2009 by PROBIE4PREZ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 While I don't think that a trade would be a good idea since we seem to have a good mix right now and are the defending champs there are only a few players who I view as tradeable right now. Samuelsson is a guy that a lot of teams can look at for adding secondary scoring Hudler is young and has had an amazing year right now and could be a guy that is made in a big deal (again, I don't see this happening) Kronwall is young and has a ton of potential, shows flashes of it sometimes and is physical, teams may take a chance on him despite his injuries Would like to include Filppula in here but it is a high price to pay for a third line player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gutierrez 7 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) Wow, it amazes me that a lot of people here want to see Stuart/Rafalski/Lilja gone. How about we dumb Lebda? Lilja has been one of our best defenceman, at least consistent which is more than I can say for a few guys on this team. He leads us in blocked shots and is second in hits on the team and you want him gone? Stuart has played well also overall and besides Lilja is our only real physical presence on this team. Also, Filppula hasn't played well but you have to understand, since we got Hossa, his role has been decreased as he was supposed to get more minuets and be depended upon more. If we are to get rid of anyone it should Lebda, Kopecky and sammy. Edited January 19, 2009 by Gutierrez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Lidstrom and Flip for the goon with two girl names - Jody Shelley AND Clod LeMew. MAKE IT HAPPEN, KENNY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Absolutely incorrect....if you think the Wings would even consider trading Lidstrom, or for the matter, Datsyuk, you're drunk. Depends what's on the other end of the table I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Not if they have a NTC, atleast not without their saying "ok". True. What I meant is merely that everybody has its price and value. Of course, it's not likely that Lidstrom or Datsyuk are going to be traded, but what happens when a certain call out of Washington or Pittsburgh comes in ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 True. What I meant is merely that everybody has its price and value. Of course, it's not likely that Lidstrom or Datsyuk are going to be traded, but what happens when a certain call out of Washington or Pittsburgh comes in ? Not worth it. Lidstrom the leader/hockey player/defenceman >>>>>>> Ovechkin + Cindy It's the NHL and not NHL'09. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 but what happens when a certain call out of Washington or Pittsburgh comes in ? Kenny respectfully hangs up, then calls Stevie into his office to listen to the recording. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 lol, are you kidding me??? If Ovechkin or Crosby is on the table, there is no way you can turn that offer (if it's straight up). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Ok, you just got rid of three of our four top defenseman. Now who are you going to replace that 65 minutes of ice time per game with? Lebda? Lilja? Chelios? Notice the "/"? I meant one of them, preferably Stuart, he was absolutely brutal at san jose for example... Kronwall shows some elite skill in some games so he could be worth keeping, and rafalski us very unlikely cause of the NTC i know... Filppula... could also be traded Reasonable Trades: Stuart or Filppula Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Filppula seems to step it up a notch for the playoffs, but I wouldn't mind seeing him moved if it landed us some decent talent in return. I wouldn't mind seeing him moved if it simply meant we could hang onto Franzen and have some flexibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 What teams do you guys think we would be in position to trade Filppula and what would be looking at getting in return? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Val Filppula and/or Brett Lebda. IMO, the Red Wings need a Dallas Drake type player at the deadline. Helm is going to be in during the playoffs, which will be a boost to the fourth line as it is. I still think this team needs a gritty, physical forechecker in the mold of Drake. On defense, the Red Wings inability to clear the puck out of their own zone has concerned me all season. It seems that far too many opponents get the Red Wings stuck in the zone and the defense struggles to regain possession. San Jose abused the Red Wings in this part of the game the other night. Kronwall and Stuart are the most at blame - they need to be more physical on defense as a pair. Too many teams seem to be able to get into the Red Wings zone easily and cycle the puck at will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Notice the "/"? I meant one of them, preferably Stuart, he was absolutely brutal at san jose for example... Kronwall shows some elite skill in some games so he could be worth keeping, and rafalski us very unlikely cause of the NTC i know... Filppula... could also be traded Reasonable Trades: Stuart or Filppula ok, so who becomes the second pairing guy with Kronwall and takes Stuart's 20 minutes? And the Wings defense just got a lot smaller and less physical. All that's left is Lilja for size and Kronwall for hitting. Plus he just signed a 4 year deal with Detroit. I can't see Holland moving him less than one season into that contract. I'm guessing Stuart wanted some stability with a term like that. Trading him would screw him over and set a bad precedent. If there's any guys that should be gone on this roster it's Cheli and Lebda. The problem is they have no trade value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 ok, so who becomes the second pairing guy with Kronwall and takes Stuart's 20 minutes? And the Wings defense just got a lot smaller and less physical. All that's left is Lilja for size and Kronwall for hitting. Plus he just signed a 4 year deal with Detroit. I can't see Holland moving him less than one season into that contract. I'm guessing Stuart wanted some stability with a term like that. Trading him would screw him over and set a bad precedent. If there's any guys that should be gone on this roster it's Cheli and Lebda. The problem is they have no trade value. Not to mention that Stuart has a NTC built into his contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 ok, so who becomes the second pairing guy with Kronwall and takes Stuart's 20 minutes? And the Wings defense just got a lot smaller and less physical. All that's left is Lilja for size and Kronwall for hitting. Plus he just signed a 4 year deal with Detroit. I can't see Holland moving him less than one season into that contract. I'm guessing Stuart wanted some stability with a term like that. Trading him would screw him over and set a bad precedent. If there's any guys that should be gone on this roster it's Cheli and Lebda. The problem is they have no trade value. At this point it isn't much about trade value as it is about getting them off our hands so we can bring some youth up. I would love to trade Draper and a 3rd, for Neil and a 5th. Bringing up Helm. Then trade Lebda for a 5th, which either puts Meech in or helps us bring up someone of more value. Then Kopecky and a 5th for Mayers. That way we have Malts for leadership and he always plays better when he has someone to watch his back. Plus Malts would be the 13th foward. Neil/Helm/Mayers, or Neil/Helm/Maltby. The Kopecky one doesn't need to happen even for a player, maybe Kopecky for a 4th. We get some picks or grinding players. In the end Drapers contract which is big for what he does is gone, we get to bring someone up in Helm. We get grit in Neil, then Lebda just helps unclog the d spot for us and we get a pick. Kopecky was just kind of another move to great rid of waste for a pick, but if we kept him oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Not to mention that Stuart has a NTC built into his contract. Then there's that small detail. This isn't directed at you at all NFM, but I think we've all been a little spoiled having Lidstrom on the team. The guy makes a mistake about as often as the Lions win a playoff game. Defenseman make mistakes in games, even good ones. Sometimes they're gonna get burned. When you play that many minutes that many games a year, it's going to happen, especially against a very good team like San Jose. Stuart is a solid 2nd pairing guy with good size and brings an element of much-needed physical play to the Wings blueline. Even if his contract would allow it, trading him would be a mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 At this point it isn't much about trade value as it is about getting them off our hands so we can bring some youth up. I would love to trade Draper and a 3rd, for Neil and a 5th. Bringing up Helm. Then trade Lebda for a 5th, which either puts Meech in or helps us bring up someone of more value. Then Kopecky and a 5th for Mayers. That way we have Malts for leadership and he always plays better when he has someone to watch his back. Plus Malts would be the 13th foward. Neil/Helm/Mayers, or Neil/Helm/Maltby. The Kopecky one doesn't need to happen even for a player, maybe Kopecky for a 4th. We get some picks or grinding players. In the end Drapers contract which is big for what he does is gone, we get to bring someone up in Helm. We get grit in Neil, then Lebda just helps unclog the d spot for us and we get a pick. Kopecky was just kind of another move to great rid of waste for a pick, but if we kept him oh well. You'd trade Draper before Maltby? I'm guessing because of his contract size? I know it's all hypothetical with his NTC anyways, but I'd rather keep Drapes and lose Maltby and/or Kopecky. Maybe I just have a soft spot for the guy, but I think on a decent 4th line Draper will increase his value as a player. That an energized line would pick up his hitting game and puck pursuit. And I'm all for moving Lebda. If someone's going to be making mistakes like him, I'd rather it be a kid with a future like Ericsson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 The more I think about trades, the more I want to do nothing. Why trade guys when we can solve most of our problems from guys in the minors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted January 19, 2009 I thought someone said stuarts NTC is just in the final year(s) of his contract meaning he could be traded this year for example? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) You'd trade Draper before Maltby? I'm guessing because of his contract size? I know it's all hypothetical with his NTC anyways, but I'd rather keep Drapes and lose Maltby and/or Kopecky. Maybe I just have a soft spot for the guy, but I think on a decent 4th line Draper will increase his value as a player. That an energized line would pick up his hitting game and puck pursuit. And I'm all for moving Lebda. If someone's going to be making mistakes like him, I'd rather it be a kid with a future like Ericsson. yea, mainly for contract price + I feel that Maltby has been playing better then Draper. I understand you have a soft spot for him, because most everyone loves the grind line but I just feel as if it would be in the best interest of the team. The biggest problem is that damn NTC. Oh and I honestly believe that he is a major reason why the 4th line is so horrible, I guess it's also because we have his replacement just waiting in Helm. Abby really isn't ready to step up in Malts/Kopecky spot so he seems the most likely. Oh but I do wonder what it would look like with a line with Draper/Helm/Meech, not huge amount of checking but could anyone even catch these guys? Edited January 19, 2009 by ben_usmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
