Who is actually tradeable on this Roster?

[MacK_Attack 108]

I've always wanted Mayers on the Wings, but I can't see Toronto making that trade since they just acquired him this season.

He also makes $1.4 million to Kopecky's half a mill.

The Leafs would trade him in a heartbeat. He's been pretty useless on the ice this year.

Burke has made it clear that everybody except Luke Schenn is available for the right price.

[ben_usmc 253]

I thought someone said stuarts NTC is just in the final year(s) of his contract meaning he could be traded this year for example?

dude you need to root for the pens because you have no idea how the Wings operate. That would set a very bad example and you wouldn't see people like Hossa doing what he did.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I thought someone said stuarts NTC is just in the final year(s) of his contract meaning he could be traded this year for example?

Now what sense would that make?

IIRC, Stuart's NTC either expires the last year of his contract or he has the option to waive it (as any NTC player does).

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I thought someone said stuarts NTC is just in the final year(s) of his contract meaning he could be traded this year for example?

Stuart isn't going anywhere. He is a perfect fit as a top four defenseman. Lilja has been terrific this season, but do you trust him on the second pairing in the playoffs? And if Stuart goes, are you comfortable with Lebda/Meech and Chelios on the third pairing?

[ben_usmc 253]

The Leafs would trade him in a heartbeat. He's been pretty useless on the ice this year.

Burke has made it clear that everybody except Luke Schenn is available for the right price.

How about a 1st 3rd and Flip/Huds for Luke. Or 1st, 2nd, Flip/Huds for Doughty Either one would be lovely

[ben_usmc 253]

Stuart isn't going anywhere. He is a perfect fit as a top four defenseman. Lilja has been terrific this season, but do you trust him on the second pairing in the playoffs? And if Stuart goes, are you comfortable with Lebda/Meech and Chelios on the third pairing?

I would love for us to resign Lilja next year: at this point. Lid/Raf/kronner/Stewie/Lilja/Ericcson/Meech. Chelios retires, Lebda traded for a pick. Then the following year Lilja leaves and we bring up Kindl.

[Guest mindfly]

It's just I think there are other options around the league for the "physical defenseman" type players, stuart's offense sucks and he hardly put any points, so there are plenty of good hitters out there.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I would love for us to resign Lilja next year: at this point. Lid/Raf/kronner/Stewie/Lilja/Ericcson/Meech. Chelios retires, Lebda traded for a pick. Then the following year Lilja leaves and we bring up Kindl.

You mean during his contract year? Lilja is signed on through the 09/10 season.

[ben_usmc 253]

You mean during his contract year (because Lilja is signed on through the 09/10 season)?

Oh sorry I thought we only gave him a one year contract, nevermind then everything is working according to plan. WWWWWOOOOOHHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH-my evil laugh

Edited January 19, 2009 by ben_usmc

[mjlegend 155]

It's just I think there are other options around the league for the "physical defenseman" type players, stuart's offense sucks and he hardly put any points, so there are plenty of good hitters out there.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242170

The deal also included a no-trade clause in the first two season and a limited no-trade clause in the last two years of the contract.

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[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

stuart's offense sucks and he hardly put any points, so there are plenty of good hitters out there.

I know, he barely creates anything on the power play. What are we paying this guy for?!

[toby91_ca 620]

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The only thing a NTC really does is allow a player to avoid being traded out of nowhere to a team or city he doesn't want to go to. Players with NTCs get traded, ALL THE TIME. It is certainly easier when there is no such clause though.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

It's just I think there are other options around the league for the "physical defenseman" type players, stuart's offense sucks and he hardly put any points, so there are plenty of good hitters out there.

Say the Wings could trade Stuart, who are these other options you'd want for a 2nd pairing?

Name me some physical defenseman who are good hitters, would put up more points than Stuart, and costs equal or less than his 3.75 million.

And Stuart's primary role isn't to put up points for the Wings, especially paired with Kronwall. Of the two it's usually going to be Kronner jumping into the play with Stuart hanging back to cover him.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I know, he barely creates anything on the power play. What are we paying this guy for?!

I know! He's invisible out there! It's almost as if he only averages 18 seconds of PP time a game!!

[GoWings1905 2,694]

It's just I think there are other options around the league for the "physical defenseman" type players, stuart's offense sucks and he hardly put any points, so there are plenty of good hitters out there.

Stuart isn't here to put up points. Lidstrom, Rafalski and Kronwall do plenty of that on defense. Stuart doesn't just hit - overall he is very solid defensively and provides a physical presence the Red Wings otherwise don't have on the back end. Why are you so quick to jump on Stuart anyways?

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

Why the hell are we even talking about Stuart?

It's obvious that he will not be traded and doesn't fit into the OP.

[Nev 1,085]

This smells like another "Panic after losing one game even though we just won the Stanley Cup" thread...

Couldn't be further from the truth - I've been mulling this over for weeks. Every time someone calls for someone with a NTC to be traded in fact....

Kopecky for Jamal Mayers straight up

*slaps forehead* This is exactly the kind of thing that does my head in. Why would Brian Burke, a GM known for his fondness of big, strong, tough North Americans, in charge of a rebuilding team, trade away one of his big, strong, tough North Americans for a brittle European who's going to be in the AHL or Europe next season? Burke will want prospects or picks for Mayers (who I agree is the kind of player we should look for at the deadline).

As for trading Stuart and his No Trade Clause.....I give up on some of you

[norrisnick 1]

Well I see the love affair with Stuart didn't last long.

Stuart's known to make the occasional boneheaded play, but I think he's still a good second pairing guy, and more importantly he adds some much needed size and physical presence to our blueline.

People can argue if the forwards need to be bigger or grittier or a fighter, but to me there's no debate that you need size on the blueline, especially under the new rules where you can't really use your stick on a guy. You need size to clear that real estate in front of the net. Our top pairing has to be one of the smallest and least physical in the NHL, it just works because one of them is Nick f-ing Lidstrom.

Lilja and Stuart are really are only physically imposing blueliners, which adds to their value in spite of their blunders. Especially when you consider some of the hits Stuart throws.

I don't want to move Stuart, but it can't be ignored that he and Kronwall have had a trainwreck season thus far.

The Wings have given up 38 PP goals. Stuart has been on for 20 of them. The 2nd pairing has single handedly sunk our PK on the road. We are the top PK team at home and dead last on the road. The opposition is feasting on Stuart and Kronwall with line matching. Stuart has been on for 17 road PP goals and Kronwall 15. To compare Lidstrom has been on for 5 road PP goals against and Lilly only 6.

Kronwall and Stuart are currently solidly ahead of Lidstrom in total goals against. Care to guess the last time Lidstrom didn't lead the team in goals against? 1995 when Coffey edged him out. That a pair of guys that aren't seeing Lidstrom's matchups and aren't seeing his icetime in critical situations are on pace to finish about 15 goals ahead of him is absolutely terrible.

They need to get their heads out of their asses post haste.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Now what sense would that make?

IIRC, Stuart's NTC either expires the last year of his contract or he has the option to waive it (as any NTC player does).

Stuart's NTC kicks in the last 2 years of his contract. He wanted an NTC for the entire duration of the contract, and Holland didn't want to give him one at all. But the reason Stuart wanted the NTC in the first place is because his step-daughter is in high school right now, and he didn't want to have to move her out of high school when she was a junior/senior. Thats why his NTC kicks in in the last 2 years of the contract.

This was all in the Free Press the day after he signed the contract.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Whats with all the Stuart hate? Hes a #4 Dman - just a step above #5. The fact that hes been poor defensively is because Babcock is ridiculously stubborn with his D pairings, and doesn't realize that Stuart and Kronwall are the two players on this team most likely to make a mistake when they're pressured. The combination, at this point, needs to be changed. Line combos don't work out forever.

If you put Stuart on the block, he isn't likely to attract a lot of interest. Kronwall, on the other hand, could attract a decent amount of interest and, frankly, is overrated. Outside of his offense and rare open-ice hits, the guy doesn't excel. Hes not smart in his own zone and his strength overall leaves something to be desired. In particular, its his decesion-making that I question. For how smart this guy was billed to be, hes been a letdown. And unfortunately, thats not one of those things you can fix.

I know I've said it before, but I really wouldn't mind seeing Kronwall traded for Volchenkov, with some spare parts thrown in to even things out. Volchenkov is a bona fide physical force, hits constantly, is very strong and blocks shots like a machine. He's a blue collar hockey player. Loves to get his hands dirty. That kind of guy, in my mind, is what the Wings could really use long-term. What he does isn't pretty, but he does all the little things right. The Wings have a good future and present with puck-movers and offensive defenseman - Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kindl, Ericsson, and Meech all provide something in the way of offense or outlet passing - but the defensive aspect of things is a little weak.

Kronwall, Flip, and Lebda are all tradeables of value in my mind. Yeah, guys like Kopecky, Maltby, etc are "tradeable," but they won't net us anything of value. And yes, Lebda does have some value. Theres always a market for defensive depth at the deadline.

[norrisnick 1]

Whats with all the Stuart hate? Hes a #4 Dman - just a step above #5. The fact that hes been poor defensively is because Babcock is ridiculously stubborn with his D pairings, and doesn't realize that Stuart and Kronwall are the two players on this team most likely to make a mistake when they're pressured. The combination, at this point, needs to be changed. Line combos don't work out forever.

If you put Stuart on the block, he isn't likely to attract a lot of interest. Kronwall, on the other hand, could attract a decent amount of interest and, frankly, is overrated. Outside of his offense and rare open-ice hits, the guy doesn't excel. Hes not smart in his own zone and his strength overall leaves something to be desired. In particular, its his decesion-making that I question. For how smart this guy was billed to be, hes been a letdown. And unfortunately, thats not one of those things you can fix.

I know I've said it before, but I really wouldn't mind seeing Kronwall traded for Volchenkov, with some spare parts thrown in to even things out. Volchenkov is a bona fide physical force, hits constantly, is very strong and blocks shots like a machine. He's a blue collar hockey player. Loves to get his hands dirty. That kind of guy, in my mind, is what the Wings could really use long-term. What he does isn't pretty, but he does all the little things right. The Wings have a good future and present with puck-movers and offensive defenseman - Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kindl, Ericsson, and Meech all provide something in the way of offense or outlet passing - but the defensive aspect of things is a little weak.

Kronwall, Flip, and Lebda are all tradeables of value in my mind. Yeah, guys like Kopecky, Maltby, etc are "tradeable," but they won't net us anything of value. And yes, Lebda does have some value. Theres always a market for defensive depth at the deadline.

An even better deal is Rafalski for Volchenkov plus whatever would even it out. Raf gets to spend most of his time out on the ice with Nick and that covers a lot of his holes and makes his numbers better. Nik and Raf are pretty much the same type of player but one is twice as expensive and 7-8 years older. I'd move that one.

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

I don't know why there's all the Stuart talk, the only D-man who has a remote chance of being traded is Kronwall IMO.

[rage 24]

Why the hell are we even talking about Stuart?

It's obvious that he will not be traded and doesn't fit into the OP.

Right on man!

I think we all know that we are most likely going into the Playoffs with our current roster unless we make a small trade that would land us that Neil/Mayers player.

A trade in the offseason to help us keep Hossa/Franzen on the other hand........

[MacK_Attack 108]

Just a heads up that Pat Verbeek is scouting the Leafs/Hurricanes game tonight.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

An even better deal is Rafalski for Volchenkov plus whatever would even it out. Raf gets to spend most of his time out on the ice with Nick and that covers a lot of his holes and makes his numbers better. Nik and Raf are pretty much the same type of player but one is twice as expensive and 7-8 years older. I'd move that one.

Trust me, I'd drool over moving Rafalski and his fat salary for Volchenkov +. But with Rafalski having the NTC (which drives me up the effing wall), its a no-can-do.