Who is actually tradeable on this Roster?

[elriqo28 2]

Before they go, you should just go out and disappear. How does this site let this kind of retard to be here?

amen...

[hokike 1]

Ottawa or any other tema don't want our "kopeckys-lebdas" for picks or salary cap relief or whatever. Why ? Because of teams need salary relief and picks, they are not giving away those for overpayed/ underperforming Red Wings playes.

I hope this thing is clear

Edited January 20, 2009 by hokike

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I also would love to see us pick up Neil, but all this talk of Ledba or Kopecky for Neil is pie-in-the sky.

Ottawa are going to be sellers at the deadline - and a veteran, gritty forward like Neil is going to be one of their hottest tickets. What do Ottawa need in return? Not AHLers like Kopecky or 6/7 Dmen like Lebda. They need scoring depth and puck-moving defenceman.

I hate to say it, but it would have to be Hudler + conditional for Neil + conditional, with the conditional picks dependant upon resignings. Lets face it, Huds is gone in the summer anyway.

Also don't forget we don't have a 2nd round pick this summer (Stuart trade), would Kenny give up a 3rd and go two rounds without a pick? Although we may well get compensation for Hudler, depending on how much he signs for with someone else.

You guys are all off your rocker. Neil is a UFA and he hasnt had a particularly productive year. You think Neil is going to be worth more than what Brad Stuart was? Bulls***. Neil is going to command a 2nd round pick alone at most. You don't trade top 6 RFAs for UFAs with 6 points in 37 games. And for those of you keeping track, yes Neil has fewer points than Kopecky (although thats not to say Kopecky would land Neil. In general, Kopecky isn't going to be traded).

To give you an idea, Matt Cooke went for Matt Pettinger. Adam Foote went for a conditional. Modry went for a 3rd. Heut went for a 2nd. Fedorov went for a prospect. Backman went for a 4th. MAB went for a 3rd. Neil isn't heads and shoulders above these guys just cause hes tough. Not to mention, if you look at the majority of playoff bound teams, their top need isn't a 4th liner. No one is going to be shelling out assets for a 4th liner. They'll save those for the impact players.

Hudler + for Neil + is about the most retarded thing I've ever heard on this board. And Lebda isn't trash. Just because hes a #6 guy on this team doesn't mean hes that to every team. Hes an upgrade over Lee and Picard for the Senators, who are holding down their depth spots, is a puck-mover which Ottawa is lacking throughout the back end, and is signed on the cheap for a couple more years. Hes not trash - he has value. Kopecky, however, is useless to any and all teams.

Edited January 20, 2009 by YoungGuns1340

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Interesting what do you think it would take to get the deal done? Lebda and a 3rd for Neil and a 5th maybe?

Or Lebda and a 2nd for Neil and a 3rd?

I don't think Holland is going to trade his 2nd for a guy like Neil. Lebda and a 3rd for Neil and a 5th sounds closer.

[Guest mindfly]

as someone said, wings doesnt even have a 2nd round pick in this upcoming draft, traded to kings for stuart?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

as someone said, wings doesnt even have a 2nd round pick in this upcoming draft, traded to kings for stuart?

Its not a requirement that the 2nd round pick is for this years draft, you know.

[Guest mindfly]

There is only one fis©her in wings

Ok I thought the 2nd rounder was set for the 2009 draft

Edited January 20, 2009 by mindfly

[Nev 1,085]

You guys are all off your rocker. Neil is a UFA and he hasnt had a particularly productive year. You think Neil is going to be worth more than what Brad Stuart was? Bulls***. Neil is going to command a 2nd round pick alone at most. You don't trade top 6 RFAs for UFAs with 6 points in 37 games. And for those of you keeping track, yes Neil has fewer points than Kopecky (although thats not to say Kopecky would land Neil. In general, Kopecky isn't going to be traded).

$1,307,811 - $2,615,623

2nd round pick

$2,615,623 - $3,923,434

1st and 3rd round pick

Now, is any GM out there going to pay Hudler more than $2.6m AND give up a 1st and a 3rd for him?

Doubt it. So Hudlers value is a 2nd round pick - which agrees with your valuation of Neil.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Now, is any GM out there going to pay Hudler more than $2.6m AND give up a 1st and a 3rd for him?

Doubt it. So Hudlers value is a 2nd round pick - which agrees with your valuation of Neil.

Yes. Not only would some GM offer more than 2.6M for Hudler, but Holland would easily match an offer for 2.6M as well. And aside from the fact that you're an idiot, and not taking into account the fact that Hudler can be taken to arbitration to avoid being signed to an offer sheet, he would easily be re-signed by Ottawa or any other team, which only furthers his value.

You have to be really, really, really stupid to think that Hudler's value at the trade deadline is a 2nd round pick. Theres absolutely no other reason why you would think thats logical. Then again, maybe the fact that you're not logical has something to do with it.

Not to mention, my 2nd round pick evaluation of Neil came with the disclaimer "at most." Hudler's "at most" value would be through the roof from a desperate team.

Edited January 20, 2009 by YoungGuns1340

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Chris Neil has been mentioned here, but does anyone other than myself like Mike Fisher?

Anyone else feel Fisher might have more to offer than Filppula?

Fisher and Filppula are very similar players, with Filppula having the edge in age, and Fisher having the edge in physicality. In general, I'd take Fisher over Filppula simply because this team could use some more guys who like to hit, but not at Fisher's price tag. He's overpaid as of now and would only make our cap situation worse.

[egroen 384]

Now, is any GM out there going to pay Hudler more than $2.6m AND give up a 1st and a 3rd for him?

Doubt it. So Hudlers value is a 2nd round pick - which agrees with your valuation of Neil.

I'm not sure I am following your thinking. Hudler is not an RFA yet.

When he is, I could easily see him recieve an offer sheet for more than $2.6m if Holland has not signed him yet. How often do 1st or 3rd round picks turn into NHL regulars who are already scoring at close to a point per game clip before the age of 25?

It is utterly amazing how some posters on here continue to undervalue Hudler.

Maybe Boston will trade us Phil Kessel for a 1st and a 3rd??? Or Krejci for a 2nd??? Get on it Kenny!!!!

Edited January 20, 2009 by egroen

[thedatsyukian 7]

A primarily third line player on pace for 70+ points, he could easily see a 4+ offer sheet. Not to mention he's young and is defensively responsible because of the team he plays for. I don't see us trading hudler for two reasons.

1.Obviously to resign in the offseason at a much lower price than our other big ticket free agents.

2.He could get a pretty hefty offer sheet come off-season and perhaps net us some good draft picks.

[ashenhigh 9]

Chris Neil has been mentioned here, but does anyone other than myself like Mike Fisher?

Anyone else feel Fisher might have more to offer than Filppula?

Mike Fischer is easily my favorite player on the sens. Ill always remember when Getzlaf was talking s*** to him on the ice in the cup finals and Fischer used one arm to throw him on his ass and then sat on him. Id take Fischer any day over Neil.

[VM1138 1,921]

You guys are all off your rocker. Neil is a UFA and he hasnt had a particularly productive year. You think Neil is going to be worth more than what Brad Stuart was? Bulls***. Neil is going to command a 2nd round pick alone at most. You don't trade top 6 RFAs for UFAs with 6 points in 37 games. And for those of you keeping track, yes Neil has fewer points than Kopecky (although thats not to say Kopecky would land Neil. In general, Kopecky isn't going to be traded).

To give you an idea, Matt Cooke went for Matt Pettinger. Adam Foote went for a conditional. Modry went for a 3rd. Heut went for a 2nd. Fedorov went for a prospect. Backman went for a 4th. MAB went for a 3rd. Neil isn't heads and shoulders above these guys just cause hes tough. Not to mention, if you look at the majority of playoff bound teams, their top need isn't a 4th liner. No one is going to be shelling out assets for a 4th liner. They'll save those for the impact players.

Hudler + for Neil + is about the most retarded thing I've ever heard on this board. And Lebda isn't trash. Just because hes a #6 guy on this team doesn't mean hes that to every team. Hes an upgrade over Lee and Picard for the Senators, who are holding down their depth spots, is a puck-mover which Ottawa is lacking throughout the back end, and is signed on the cheap for a couple more years. Hes not trash - he has value. Kopecky, however, is useless to any and all teams.

AMen, especially that last part. I have a bad feeling we're stuck with Kopecky until Hossa leaves. What a useless player. I don't think I can remember a player being as neutral, boring, and useless as Kopecky.

People tend to overrate players with things that they like (i.e. grit) and think that everyone else values it the same way.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

No, he is not. Kenny and co. would never ever trade Nicklas Lidstrom.

As for the original topic, I think Filppula will be traded if Franzen is signed.

Looking at just two of the thirty teams: they'd trade him for Ovi, Semin, Crosby, or Malkin.

Lidstrom is closing in on 39. Those people above are kids. Do I have to go on to the other teams? Lidstrom could be had only for an outrageous price that improves the Wings significantly for many years, but he can still be had.

[Duck Guy 86]

Anyone can be traded even the great one was traded.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I also would love to see us pick up Neil, but all this talk of Ledba or Kopecky for Neil is pie-in-the sky.

Ottawa are going to be sellers at the deadline - and a veteran, gritty forward like Neil is going to be one of their hottest tickets. What do Ottawa need in return? Not AHLers like Kopecky or 6/7 Dmen like Lebda. They need scoring depth and puck-moving defenceman.

I hate to say it, but it would have to be Hudler + conditional for Neil + conditional, with the conditional picks dependant upon resignings. Lets face it, Huds is gone in the summer anyway.

Also don't forget we don't have a 2nd round pick this summer (Stuart trade), would Kenny give up a 3rd and go two rounds without a pick? Although we may well get compensation for Hudler, depending on how much he signs for with someone else.

That's a horrible idea.

If Hudler is gone this summer he leaves as an RFA. The Wings would match anything up to 4 million dollars without a doubt (as is their RIGHT since he's an RFA)- Hudler is significantly better than Filppula as an offensive player and is most definitely an organizational asset. If the Wings choose not to match Hudler because he gets a huge offer sheet from someone else? Anything above the line of Wings reasonable matching ($4million+) gets them at least a 1st, 2nd and 3rd pick.

Also, and aside from the RFA thing, this seems to be another concept some of the posters here forget when they post hypothetical trades- the Wings will NOT trade an asset they can't sign in the summer before the playoffs so they can 'get something for them'. Holland has said it many times- if he knows he can't sign a player he's still keeping them on the roster if it helps improve their chances of winning the cup.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Now, is any GM out there going to pay Hudler more than $2.6m AND give up a 1st and a 3rd for him?

Doubt it. So Hudlers value is a 2nd round pick - which agrees with your valuation of Neil.

Hahaha. And you think the Wings would rather have Neil for the playoffs than have Hudler during the playoffs (clutch scorer who was in at least two games our best offensive player on the ice) AND have him for less than $2.6 million after that?!?! Are you insane? $2.6 million is NOTHING for a 50 point player, which is Hudler's absolute minimum point total this year and in the future.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Trading Lebda DOES help the cap issue. According to Matt, the Wings can afford to add a player's non-prorated salary of 1.7M without having to trade anything. Consider that the Wings currently have about 400M in cap space as it stands, and having various LTIR players and not calling anyone up, they've bankrolled further salary (literally pennies, but it adds up). Not a lot, but enough to add Neil's 1.1M salary without trading anyone and definitely enough after Lebda's salary is cleared off the books.

Edit: Just running some numbers, if the Wings added Neil around March 1st, his pro-rated salary would be about 225k. Meaning, adding Neil would only add 225k to the overall cap number. Lebda would clear about 125k. The overall addition of Neil, after trading Lebda, would literally only be adding about 100k in salary overall.

Huh? The cap issue we're seeing this year (not being able to move players around when injuries occur) is NOTHING compared to the one Holland is planning for- the one where we have to sign Z for more than 2.65 million, pay Hudler something close to his value, etc.

For the love of god people! Kopecky, Lebda and Maltby make NOTHING. Swapping them for rookies making the minimum, regardless of what it does to the team's performance, gives him little to know cap relief.

Holland isn't scratching his head wondering how this team can possibly compete in the playoffs. He's thinking that about next season.

[wingslionstigers 12]

Lilja (1.25) Not a huge amount of value, but if they wanted to upgrade the 3rd pairing....

Get off the crack and watch some hockey. Liljas one of the best third string defensemen in the entire league.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Huh? The cap issue we're seeing this year (not being able to move players around when injuries occur) is NOTHING compared to the one Holland is planning for- the one where we have to sign Z for more than 2.65 million, pay Hudler something close to his value, etc.

For the love of god people! Kopecky, Lebda and Maltby make NOTHING. Swapping them for rookies making the minimum, regardless of what it does to the team's performance, gives him little to know cap relief.

Holland isn't scratching his head wondering how this team can possibly compete in the playoffs. He's thinking that about next season.

You're missing the point entirely. We're talking about the cap space AT THE DEADLINE, not for next season.

[servo 15]

I'm all for this

How about Filppula to Ottawa for Chris Neil (dunno if Ottawa would have the cap space though)...Instant tuffness/grit for our 3rd line; Neil/Cleary/Mayers

You should work for Bryan Burke.

I look at Hudler alot like I viewed Kozlov, but Hudler is less streaky and much better in the opponents zone and unlike Kozlov he actually shoots the puck.