Pletzke26 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 i think to free up some room and allow our young guns to come up and get more experience we can afford to lose maltby for sure because he dont do s***, and also samuelson because he doesnt progress and i just think that he doesnt really have a place on the wings, everytime he gets the puck he throws it away. And maybe afetr this year or next we can also can draper and chelios. i mean their just too old there comes a point in your life where you need to amke a decesion for yourself and for your team. Yes i know they love the game but maybe do what yzerman did get off the ice and take a job with the organization. that would free up space and we would eb able to maybe sign hossa to another year or so cause when we go back to back im sure hed like to stay if they agree to terms. And we would also be able to bring up the rooks and have faster more powerful 3rd and 4th lines. tell me what you guys think?!?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 i think to free up some room and allow our young guns to come up and get more experience we can afford to lose maltby for sure because he dont do s***, and also samuelson because he doesnt progress and i just think that he doesnt really have a place on the wings, everytime he gets the puck he throws it away. And maybe afetr this year or next we can also can draper and chelios. i mean their just too old there comes a point in your life where you need to amke a decesion for yourself and for your team. Yes i know they love the game but maybe do what yzerman did get off the ice and take a job with the organization. that would free up space and we would eb able to maybe sign hossa to another year or so cause when we go back to back im sure hed like to stay if they agree to terms. And we would also be able to bring up the rooks and have faster more powerful 3rd and 4th lines. tell me what you guys think?!?! Maltby, Draper, and Chelios will (most likely) all be retiring - or thinking about retiring, anyway. Out of those three, Maltby is working the hardest - but he's just not producing. So I'd say yes, let them go. Samuelsson is having an amazing season. He's doing MUCH better than he has in previous seasons.. so I'd keep him. See if I could work on him and find out where this burst of potential is coming from... same with Lilja. He's having a MUCH better season - so I'd work on him, too. I'd consider trading Flip - or just lowering his pay. He's not producin at $3m a season. I'd also consider trading Kronwall.. even though I'm somewhat against it. He just isn't performing this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 Maltby, Draper, and Chelios will (most likely) all be retiring - or thinking about retiring, anyway. Out of those three, Maltby is working the hardest - but he's just not producing. So I'd say yes, let them go. Samuelsson is having an amazing season. He's doing MUCH better than he has in previous seasons.. so I'd keep him. See if I could work on him and find out where this burst of potential is coming from... same with Lilja. He's having a MUCH better season - so I'd work on him, too. I'd consider trading Flip - or just lowering his pay. He's not producin at $3m a season. I'd also consider trading Kronwall.. even though I'm somewhat against it. He just isn't performing this season. Kronwall's previous play and overall talent/upside is such that he will get another season or at least the playoffs to prove that this is just an off season. Draper is still one of the top face-off men in the entire league and a great skater, so he still has a place on the team in a fourth line capacity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannedforlife 403 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 i think to free up some room and allow our young guns to come up and get more experience we can afford to lose maltby for sure because he dont do s***, and also samuelson because he doesnt progress and i just think that he doesnt really have a place on the wings, everytime he gets the puck he throws it away. And maybe afetr this year or next we can also can draper and chelios. i mean their just too old there comes a point in your life where you need to amke a decesion for yourself and for your team. Yes i know they love the game but maybe do what yzerman did get off the ice and take a job with the organization. that would free up space and we would eb able to maybe sign hossa to another year or so cause when we go back to back im sure hed like to stay if they agree to terms. And we would also be able to bring up the rooks and have faster more powerful 3rd and 4th lines. tell me what you guys think?!?! Your entire post is full of exciting and original ideas. Thank you for contributing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 Kronwall's previous play and overall talent/upside is such that he will get another season or at least the playoffs to prove that this is just an off season. Draper is still one of the top face-off men in the entire league and a great skater, so he still has a place on the team in a fourth line capacity. You're right - Kronwall isn't going anywhere. I just hope he pulls out of whatever slump he's fallen into. Heck - I hope the whole team does. You're right about Draper - he's the face-off king. I've also noticed he's been practicing his aim. I'm trying to think of one reason to keep Kopecky - but I'm coming up blank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aeothe Kaear 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 Shamuelsson Conklin Old Man Winter Maltby Lebda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 Maltby, Draper, and Chelios will (most likely) all be retiring - or thinking about retiring, anyway. Out of those three, Maltby is working the hardest - but he's just not producing. So I'd say yes, let them go. Samuelsson is having an amazing season. He's doing MUCH better than he has in previous seasons.. so I'd keep him. See if I could work on him and find out where this burst of potential is coming from... same with Lilja. He's having a MUCH better season - so I'd work on him, too. I'd consider trading Flip - or just lowering his pay. He's not producin at $3m a season. I'd also consider trading Kronwall.. even though I'm somewhat against it. He just isn't performing this season. the CBA does not allow for contracts to be renegotiated ...he will make 3 mill per for the term of the deal..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 the CBA does not allow for contracts to be renegotiated ...he will make 3 mill per for the term of the deal..... Ouch. How long is he signed for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingslady87 130 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 I think everyone has really been looking for "big hits" Kronwall, and thats not what he needs to be right now. When the end of the season and playoffs roll around, you'll see open ice big hits again. Yeah his play hasn't been great, but it'll pick up. I'm a fan of Filppula, but at this point if he can't start producing I don't see the point in having him, and his 3 mil is money we could use for someone else. That could be Hudlers contract or if Franzen is willing to take a home town discount, Flips 3 mil would be most of his new contract. Kopecky is a free agent, good bye! Bring up Leino/ Helm/ Abdelkader in his place. Sammuelson is a free agent and he could go either way. If Hossa stays, I think he's out and another one of the three mentioned above will be brought up. Malts won't be going anywhere. He's a free agent in 2010/11. He'll probably retire then. In the mean time he's cheap for the work he does. Draper is up in 2011/12, he'll probably retire that year or the year before with Malts. Neither Lebda or Meech have really done a lot of impressing this year. Meech's saving grace is his ablility to be a forward, but i don't think thats gonna carry him much farther. It's time for Big E to come up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 Lebda has improved since the start of the season- enough that I now consider him to be good trade bait. I'd like to see it for draft picks. Bring up Big Jon. Kopy, bless his heart, has done nothing but provide a home for Hossa. Since Hossa is likely gone (I'd love to keep him, but I don't want to lose Mule/Hudler), I think we can say bye-bye to Kopy too. I believe that he will be scratched during the playoffs and we'll be seeing Helm/Leino playing with the big boys. Other than that, I don't see anyone going anywhere. The older ones will be allowed to retire gracefully, and may see some action in the playoffs, or may not depending on how well the GR boys impress. On a side note: I can't wait to see who actually does get playoff time. With all the GR guys and no cap space to worry about, it should be interesting to see what the lines/pairings look like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syntax 359 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 Maltby (though I'd rather he retire than be traded/let go) Kopecky (worthless) Filppula Cheli (to retirement) Lebda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FedorovGurl 2 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 Maltby (though I'd rather he retire than be traded/let go) Kopecky (worthless) Filppula Cheli (to retirement) Lebda QFT Add Sammy to the mix and you are spot on!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 I'm not so sure Malts and Drapes will retire, but I think their time has passed, even though Malts isn't doing so horribly, and we need Drapes on the faceoffs. Chelios will retire not because he feels he can't play anymore, but because his ice time is so limited and there is such a problem with the cap. If not retire, he'll sign with someone like the Blackhawks. Kopecky is useless and needs to go. Lebda should be shopped to a desperate team for picks or something to make room for younger players. Lilja should be kept, unless we can use his value to get someone really effective in his place. I only advocate this because sometimes you have to lose something to get something, but he's been performing well. Flip, another scenario. He isn't developing here, give him a shot somewhere else and get something in return. Samuelsson will be gone, I think, but he's been one of our good players this season. Really got his stuff together, except for the shooting thing. That still irritates the hell out of me. Unless he can be replaced with a responsible defensive foward, keep him. That's about it, resign everyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat 26 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 The problem is that most of the players everyone is listing are players that the Wings can afford to replace but make relatively so little money that replacing them essentially will not increase cap space. Maltby/Kopecky/Lebda/Meech/Chelios all make under $1 million and are likely to be replaced by young call-ups from GR or veteran signings ala Drake last season and therefore will not save enough cap room to retain Hossa. It was an absolute steal to even get Hossa this year and I just cannot see that robbery occurring this coming off season as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
talex 1 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) Since the question is players wings can afford to lose I say Franzen, Hossa Flip, Kronwall, Sammy, Cheli, Kop, Malts, Rafalski (for cap reasons), Ozzy or Conks (prefer to keep Conks). Even with those guys gone and the call ups from GR the wings will be a playoff caliber team for many seasons which is all we can ask for. Obviously we will not loose all of them so I am not going to hazard speculating a guess on specific players. The way I see it the rest of the cast left will put 2 or 3 goals in a game and if they solidify the D we should win most games, right now every one would like to keep Hoss and Franzen... myself included, but I hate these 5 to 4 wins, to many close high scoring games for my comfort zone even against non high power offensive teams, sure we can add more O, but not many seem concerned about D... I am very concerned about D. Edited February 2, 2009 by talex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) I'm fine with losing one of Hossa or Franzen. I'm fine with trading Filppula if it helps keep Franzen/Hossa and Hudler. Samuelsson can stay or go. Kopecky better be gone. One of Meech or Lebda should be traded, to make room for Ericsson. I would prefer to keep Meech as he is more versatile and cheaper, but the other one will be gone soon, as well, to make room for Kindl, hopefully. I just hope we can get a return for them and not lose them to waivers like Quincey. I would like to see Chelios return as a #7 defenseman at league minimum. I'd like to see Lilja stick around. Even if Draper retires, we are stuck with his salary on the books for the next two years (same with Osgood). I wouldn't lose much sleep if some crazy team made an offer for Maltby. Kronwall should still be considered untouchable at this point, despite his horrendous play. Edited February 2, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenova0 0 Report post Posted February 2, 2009 I wouldn't call Kronwall's play horrendous, merely inconsistent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
