steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Three is left up to interpretation really... just like a loss is a loss (regardless of deserved or not) a win is a win (whether its dirty or amazing) We have by far won more than we have lost this season. In the post season its the W that matters not how it was acheived in the game. I would like to know how many of our OT losses were losses in OT or a SO.... Same with our wins... How many were SO wins or OT wins. But the way we're getting are W's right now isn't going to cut it in the playoffs. Look, I've already said it. You can point out the record to me all you want. I understand we have a sweet team. I understand it's "only" February. I understand we're still going to make the playoffs. My point is that something is urking me & I don't know what it is. I guess I don't really know what I was expecting everyone to say in response. But if you can't see that something isn't right, well fine. Maybe I'm an asshat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Listen man I love to chill out but with the pathetic goaltending sorry chillings not an option. Look how bad the save percentages are were at the bottom of the barrel. If you think it wasn't an omen or premonition of things when in the dying seconds of our Cup victory against Pittsbugh Osgood almost bumbled and fumled the puck into the net- think again. Its all about doing it on the cheap with goaltending in Detroit; while meanwhle we open the purse strings for the offensive stars. But you see that's starting to catch-up to the Wings, cuz you always have to come back from 2-3 and sometime 4 goal deficits. Well you know what that does It ends up draining and demoralizing the team . Just imagine this team with a top line goaltender -oh ya bud I'll be chillin all summer long with my Wings cap on with a nice cold one! If you're honestly going to blame the entire team's lack of energy on the goaltender, I might laugh so hard I fall out of my chair. Shaky goaltending is a problem. The defense is the bigger problem of the two. I can't say much about the offense, because they're still producing. But there's more than just goaltending that needs to be addressed. It's the same story every season. Everybody freaks out.. and then the light switches on and they come back. It makes this whole debate futile. The whole team gets to get back in gear, and they know it. Until April, I see no reason to stress - given the history of the Wings and their All Star game losing streaks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 We're number two in the Western Conference. We have a damn good record, even though you seem to not want to hear it. Think what you want. It's totally fine to disagree with me. But at this moment in time, I see absolutely no reason for all the panic. Look at the picture. Look closely. Look at both teams that played. Look at the numbers of each period. Our boys, who were on average, only out shot once or twice a season, were just held to under 20 shots in regulation by the Blues & gave up almost 20 in the third period alone. & we've been outshot several times this season. Something is wrong. W. R. O. N. G. Wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 If you're honestly going to blame the entire team's lack of energy on the goaltender, I might laugh so hard I fall out of my chair. Shaky goaltending is a problem. The defense is the bigger problem of the two. I can't say much about the offense, because they're still producing. But there's more than just goaltending that needs to be addressed. It's the same story every season. Everybody freaks out.. and then the light switches on and they come back. It makes this whole debate futile. The whole team gets to get back in gear, and they know it. Until April, I see no reason to stress - given the history of the Wings and their All Star game losing streaks. I thought everything was fine? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 you can have lack of energy for a stretch and still be alright... its human nature they aren't robots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Yay! I haven't been privy to a gloom and doom thread in minutes. Long, long, long, peaceful minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 We're going to make the playoffs. We're a good team. We have a good record. Everyone's missing the point. Please close this lost thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Look at the picture. Look closely. Look at both teams that played. Look at the numbers of each period. Our boys, who were on average, only out shot once or twice a season, were just held to under 20 shots in regulation by the Blues & gave up almost 20 in the third period alone. & we've been outshot several times this season. Something is wrong. W. R. O. N. G. Wrong. It's one game, dude. So we were outshot, and it was the Blues. Guess what? s*** happens. Again, the power plays had a lot to do with it. Did we play great? No. Have we been a little off all year? Yes. This is what they call the Cup hangover, and right now we're still sleeping it off. To my knowledge there is no magic cure for a hangover, but luckily we have a talented enough team that can win anyway. Hopefully they will have slept it off by the time the playoffs start ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Look at the picture. Look closely. Look at both teams that played. Look at the numbers of each period. Our boys, who were on average, only out shot once or twice a season, were just held to under 20 shots in regulation by the Blues & gave up almost 20 in the third period alone. & we've been outshot several times this season. Something is wrong. W. R. O. N. G. Wrong. Not just one game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Ken Holland is lazy and worthless! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I thought everything was fine? Everybody knows the team isn't playing up to snuff. I just don't happen to think this is an issue we should be panicked about. There's a difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 It's one game, dude. So we were outshot, and it was the Blues. Guess what? s*** happens. Again, the power plays had a lot to do with it. Did we play great? No. Have we been a little off all year? Yes. This is what they call the Cup hangover, and right now we're still sleeping it off. To my knowledge there is no magic cure for a hangover, but luckily we have a talented enough team that can win anyway. Hopefully they will have slept it off by the time the playoffs start ... The rest of that is more along the lines of what I was looking for. You really think it's just the cup hangover? I guess I've hoping that by now, that'd be done with. Babs or Lidstrom or somebody would have hopefully slapped them out of it. I am worried we'll be playing like this come playoff time. Hopefully not, & hopefully it is just the cup hangover & hopefully we'll beat the snot out of people like we should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Not just one game. Okay, several games. So what? I realize that we usually outshoot the opponents, but are we really to the point where we expect to outshoot them every game, and we are concerned if happens several times? It's not the end of the world, it happens, it just means we didn't have a good game. Several times. And we won anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 The rest of that is more along the lines of what I was looking for. You really think it's just the cup hangover? I guess I've hoping that by now, that'd be done with. Babs or Lidstrom or somebody would have hopefully slapped them out of it. I am worried we'll be playing like this come playoff time. Hopefully not, & hopefully it is just the cup hangover & hopefully we'll beat the snot out of people like we should be. Yes. I don't think there's a clinical definition for the Cup hangover, but from my experience the symptoms often include a combination of a seeming lack of motivation, a decrease in energy, poor attention to detail, sluggishness of foot, an increase in mental lapses, and a general drop in level of performance. Sounds like my team! Like I said, hopefully they will sleep it off ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Yes. I don't think there's a clinical definition for the Cup hangover, but from my experience the symptoms often include a combination of a seeming lack of motivation, a decrease in energy, poor attention to detail, sluggishness of foot, an increase in mental lapses, and a general drop in level of performance. Sounds like my team! Like I said, hopefully they will sleep it off ... Sounds like a bunch of stoners! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Okay, several games. So what? I realize that we usually outshoot the opponents, but are we really to the point where we expect to outshoot them every game, and we are concerned if happens several times? It's not the end of the world, it happens, it just means we didn't have a good game. Several times. And we won anyway. It doesn't bother you at all that that hasn't happend for the longest time? Among several other things that have happened this season. Just the way we look. It doesn't bother you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) It doesn't bother you at all that that hasn't happend for the longest time? Among several other things that have happened this season. Just the way we look. It doesn't bother you? I firmly believe we have the best team in the league, and we should not only outshoot everyone every game, but we should win every game, have the #1 ranked PP, PK, offense, defense, etc. It bothers me every time we lose or play poorly or fail to execute on the PP or the PK. BUT ... I'm also well aware that these things happen, they happen every season, multiple times a season. We are not a perfect team, and we will never play perfectly. As far as these imperfections go, getting outshot a few times is pretty far down on my list of things to worry about. Frankly, it's the PK that concerns me most, then the defense, followed closely by the goaltending. Edited February 3, 2009 by lets go pavel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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C-Dub 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I'll jump on the San Jose bandwagon... ...oh wait, I tried that the past 2 years! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 they won't let this happen again, I'm sure of it Just saying..but I wonder how many times that has been said this season. Again, not panicing or anything, but I'm just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I firmly believe we have the best team in the league, and we should not only outshoot everyone every game, but we should win every game, have the #1 ranked PP, PK, offense, defense, etc. It bothers me every time we lose or play poorly or fail to execute on the PP or the PK. BUT ... I'm also well aware that these things happen, they happen every season, multiple times a season. We are not a perfect team, and we will never play perfectly. As far as these imperfections go, getting outshot a few times is pretty far down on my list of things to worry about. Frankly, it's the PK that concerns me most, then the defense, followed closely by the goaltending. Not to stir it up but aren't shoddy defense and a crappy PK direct influences on shots against? So in a sense, are you not both concerned about the same thing here? Can I stop only talking in questions? Who knows? esteef? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Not to stir it up but aren't shoddy defense and a crappy PK direct influences on shots against? So in a sense, are you not both concerned about the same thing here? Can I stop only talking in questions? Who knows? esteef? They can be, but they aren't always. We're #6 in the league right now in shots against per game, so by that statistic our defense is playing pretty well. All of the blown coverages, breakaways allowed, failed clearing attempts, errant transition passes, and turnovers in our zone haven't necessarily led to a huge increase in shots against, but I think they've led to a significant increase in quality scoring chances. To me, this is the measure of how a defense is playing, and it's not always reflected in shots allowed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HomeNugget 2 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 But the way we're getting are W's right now isn't going to cut it in the playoffs. So every playoff game should be a 6-0 win with a 40-27 shot advantage for the Wings? Does that sound realistic? The way we're getting wins right now is how we'll be getting wins come April. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Our defence hasnt played well all year, and St Louis played a desperate game last night. That's pretty much... yeah, that's what that is. Enough frigging threads about this already, we know there not playing well, but the sky isnt falling theres still alot of time. They'll get more desperate and more physical as the days go on, the playoffs are 30 games away, I believe these guys can do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
