Interesting stat...

[chrisdetroit 189]

Will you guys for once wake up and take on thing into high consideration? "Time of possession," Red Wings controlled the puck atleast 15-20% longer per game last season than they have this season. Which means more than likely more shots for the Red Wings and on top of that less shots for the opponent and less scoring chances. Prove me wrong, do it. I said do it.

Actually that's right. Look at shots/game and shots against/game.

Last year S/G 34.4

Last year SA/G 23/5

Differemce 10.9

This year S/G 35.6

This year SA/G 28.1

Difference 7.5

We are not outshooting the oposition by as much. You could argue that this is because we don't have the puck as much

[DMAC 25 18]

the only thing that worrys me is what if this stuff happens to conks in the playoffs, i'm not trying to jinx it but they need to get ozzie focused in case that happens. we're gonna need a back up goalie in case if something happens in the playoffs and if hes playing like this they'll be golfing early on in the summer

[digitaljohn88 4]

however, since the wings have a goals for average of about 3.6 right now, the goalie allowing three or four is a pretty big distinction. dj showed that both goalies have allowed four or more goals (all above our goals for average) in just over a third of their starts.

Thanks for the defense. That's exactly what I was trying to show.

I chose 4+ because we are scoring about 3.68 goals per game - so when our goalie lets in four (each one about 1/3 of the time) it means we need above average goal support to win.

Obviously Conklin has been better overall. We don't need to analyze statistics to see that. I was just pointing out that he's been pretty inconsistent as well. I thought it was interesting because we've actually gained more points with Ozzy in net, so I looked for a pattern to see why.

Edited February 5, 2009 by digitaljohn88

[Datsyerberger 279]

I don't disagree that Conklin has been overall better than Osgood (with limited use! This is very important for Conklin to be effective, as the past has proven over and over again). However, I think you should be examining the quality of scoring chances, and their frequency, in addition to the PPs:PKs ratio (rather than looking at how Detroit is one of the least penalized teams in the league, look at how many penalties they take as compared to how many penalties their opponent takes against them).

Regarding the PKs:PP ratio, it isn't great. You could go conspiracy theory route on this. OR, you could also examine the huge scoring chances the Wings are giving up in addition to this fact, and come to the conclusion that it's poor/sloppy team defense. A combination of giving up large scoring chances, not pressuring the puck in the defensive zone, failing to clear, and taking ticky-tacky penalties that could be avoided is a recipe for disaster.. both for a team and for a goaltender's stats.

Edited February 5, 2009 by Datsyerberger

[Guest Shoreline]

Goaltending has not been consistent, but even less so has been the defensive fundamentals -- well, consistent in a good way. It's been mostly consistent in a bad way. Lazy play, terrible PK, and even some injury-riddled games, all play a part in the Wings defense utterly failing, and that showing in meaningful team stats like PK and GA, which they are nothing even remotely close to last year regarding. The Wings roster is pretty much the same as last year, with even more talent, yet is faring much worse. It isn't so much parity as it is a tired team that is going to have an extremely difficult time winning 2 in a row.

[Datsyerberger 279]

Goaltending has not been consistent, but even less so has been the defensive fundamentals -- well, consistent in a good way. It's been mostly consistent in a bad way. Lazy play, terrible PK, and even some injury-riddled games, all play a part in the Wings defense utterly failing, and that showing in meaningful team stats like PK and GA, which they are nothing even remotely close to last year regarding. The Wings roster is pretty much the same as last year, with even more talent, yet is faring much worse. It isn't so much parity as it is a tired team that is going to have an extremely difficult time winning 2 in a row.

Definitely agree. Is it possible the Wings' biggest problem is simply fatigue? Consistently one of the worst travel schedules in the league year in and out, the longest team playing in the POs last year (besides Pittsburgh, which isn't exactly looking up to shape either), the most back-to-backs in the league this year.. the list goes on. Not an excuse, but rather a void which needs to be filled... a void in which I would replace a redundant (and young, because that's what failing teams value) player like Flip with some energetic, gritty players like Neil.

[steveyzerman 0]

Also possible that because our defense is pooping around, they're getting more QUALITY scoring chances which is leading to more goals. Just playing Devil's advocate.

[lets go pavel 2]

Also possible that because our defense is pooping around, they're getting more QUALITY scoring chances which is leading to more goals. Just playing Devil's advocate.