Filppula has the most Even Strength points after Z, D, Hossa

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

When the coach of your hockey team gives a player the 4th most ice time out of the forwards. Doesn't that mean hes your 4th "Best" forward. When your coach trusts Flip on the ice over the guys were comparing to. Doesn't that mean hes the better player? I clearly said i think hes the 4th best player. When the coash gives him the 4th most responsibilities doesn't that mean hes your 4th best forward?

Your ignorance and close mindedness on the subject is laughable. One he is averaging the 4th MOST EVEN STRENGTH TIME, not TTOI. Second, he's playing more ES cause he's versatile, not a bad player in any situation but finishing, and also as a possible showcase for other teams. Not everything is as black and white as your simple mind pertains it to be.

To be a 4th best player requires offensive and defensive upside. Which means 2 way threat. Sorry you don't understand simple things. Maybe ill write a version for little kids to beable to understand just for you.

My comprehension is fine, the same cannot be said for your security for you to post such remarks. You clearly are digging yourself in a hole, and no to be the 4th best player does not require you to be a two way threat. Pavel Bure was all offense, but judging by your logic Flipulla will be remembered as the better player. FAIL

Um Franzens not making more than Flips right now there buddy.

But he will..... or are you that stupid too think that he'll get less than 3 mill a year. Get real

Do you watch the games? Yes bab does like to do that, but if you pay attention to the games something he likes to do isn't always what he does do. Flips plays against top lines on a regular basis. This is fact not fiction.

He plays agaisnt their second lines. Dats always goes head to head. ALWAYS

Yeah someone that rates players by the stat sheet would hold an opinion of that sort. Stick to the more general topics. If your a casual viewer stick to casual topics. You don't belong of discussion about hockey with me.

I don't watch as much as I can, but seeing as I've most probably played hockey at a higher level than the best kid from your Highschool did, I suggest you shut up. Your only making yourself look foolish. Simply put your a joke

[Guest MrSandMan]

Ahhh, yes. Valtteri Filppula. The great 29 point scorer. The guy who is a month shy of turning a mere 22...er, 25...years old. The guy who scores at a rate that puts him 7th among all forwards at even strength. The guy who needs more even strength ice time than anyone else not considered a top 10 scorer to remain relevant offensively. The guy whose powerplay time climbs every game, yet his lone powerplay point remains single. The guy whose 6 goals puts him in a class with the great Brett Lebda and Kirk Maltby. The guy whose shooting percentage of 7.3% couldn't quite beat out the Shinpad Assasin himself, Mikael Samuelsson. The guy who is so talented offensively that hes been used in the shootout twice in 3 years, and made neither count. The guy who, until paired with Mr. Do-It-Myself Marian Hossa, was on pace for a breakthrough season of...36 points, despite his 3rd line teammates continuing to produce without a 100 point man on their line.

Yes, oh yes, Valtteri Filppula. How you wow us with your scoring prowess, with your ability to elevate your teammates, and with your skill that is double that of any of our other top 9 forwards, simply because you have double the consonants in both of your names.

Yes, Valterri Filppula. As a member of Babcock's coveted favorites, you join the ranks of other known greats, Mikael Samuelsson and Jason Williams. And for that, I salute you.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Heres a prime example of one of your stat sheet boys. Knows nothing about the game just googles the stats and catches the highlights on sports center. You failed to mention anything you know about these players from actual experience, All you have is these stats.

See the thing is im aware of the stats you just shown me. Also when i said i don't actually have any facts. If you read what i wrote following that you would understand that i was talking about how many points each player has from being on the 1st/2nd line.

I know your not the brightest guy in the world but my entire post was pretty much explaining why Flip doesn't have the numbers that the rest of these players have.

Your entire post looks like you read my topic title and then went on to write your post.

The fact that you think Filppula is the 4th best forward on this team suggests that you don't watch the game. And you should cool it with the condescension, especially when you're going to make radical posts that aren't supported by neither the performance or the stats. How many times does Filppula screw up a shot? How many time does he make the wrong decision with the puck? He many times does he pass when he should shoot, or shoot when he should pass? How many times is he making a perfect saucer pass, or busting through the offense to score a goal?

Just because hes a good two-way guy - and no one would argue that - doesn't mean hes a great forward. His offensive skills have been lacking since day one. And the fact that hes one of our fastest skaters suggests he should have an advantage over guys like Cleary, Franzen, and especially Homer and Hudler, who he skates better than.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Um, do you need tissues because somebody's critiquing your golden boy?

When was the last time you supported your "arguments" with me using anything other than emoticons and jpgs?

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

So when Holland lets Hudler or Franzen walk and keeps Filppula, then he's an "idiot? Okay

Maybe Illich should just fire the entire Red Wings' organization and hire you.

That may happen, but if it Does it will only because Hudler will garner us a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd.

The sentence in bold above pretty much sums up this entire post. Not only are you wrong in close to everything you are saying here, but you are so far of base it is actually comical.That said, I do have stats to show just how asinine your declaration really is.

Valtteri Filppula:

* 6 Goals and 23 Assists (29 points total). Flip averages about 16:00 of ice time a night. He hasn't scored a goal in the last 12 games, but has increased his assist totals -- but then again who wouldn't with Hossa as a line mate.

Let's with total ice time, and point production. As you see above Flip gets 16 minutes a night, that puts him ahead of the following:

* Mikael Samuelsson (15:18) --> who has 16 goals, 20 assists (36 points) on the year. He also makes quite a bit less then Flip salaray wise.

* Jiri Hudler (13:28) --> who has 19 goals, 28 assists (47 points) and also makes less money they Flip.

* Tomas Holmstrom (15:18) --> has 14 goals, 16 assists (30 points). Homer makes slightly a bit more ($250 K) but due to injury has played fewer games (17 less) then Flip.

Here are the forwards that receive equal or more ice time then Flip, and their totals:

* Johan Franzen (17:51) --> who has 22 goals, 12 assists (34 points). It also should be noted that Franzen, like Homer, has only played 46 games this year (11 less then Flip).

* Pavel Datsyuk (19:15) --> 24 goals, 46 assists (70 points).

* Marian Hossa (18:24) --> 33 goals, 27 assists (60 points).

* Henrik Zetterberg (19:50) --> 20 goals, 29 assists (49 points)

Now, let's move on and look at where Flip sits in overall ranking with the other forwards in regards to point totals, special team play, points per game, shooting percentages, etc:

* Flip currently is averaging .508 points per game. That puts him in 10th place of all Red Wing forwards in the points per game category (results and numbers below):

Dats - 1.25

Hossa - 1.05

Zetterberg - .942

Hudler - .823

Holmstrom - .750

Franzen - .744

Samuelsson - .643

Leino - .625 (has only played 8 games)

Cleary - .612

Fillipula - .508

* Flip is 9th among Red Wings forwards in goals scored, and 11th among all positions (Rafalski and Lids both have more goals). Forwards that are ahead of Flip in this category are the obvious (Hossa, Dats, Zetterberg), as well as Franzen, Hudler, Sammy, Holmstrom and Cleary.

* Flip is 6th among Red Wing forwards and 9th among all position Red Wings in +/- with a plus 11. The forwards that are above him in this category are Dats (+30), Hossa (+18), Homer (+16), Zetterberg (+15), and Franzen (+11).

* Flip is 9th among Red Wings forwards in total points and 12 among all position players (Kronwall, Lidstrom and Rafalski) all have more the Flip.

Now for what I think is one of the more glaring numbers that stick out in regards to Flip. Apologists for Flip will constantly retreat to the "he doesn't shoot enough, and he will get better about it like Dats did in the future." Well this really isn't true - not the fact he doesn't shoot much (Flip is 8th among Red Wing forwards in Total Shots on Goal), but rather his overall shooting %. Take a look at the Red Wings forwards and their shooting % figures:

Leino - .250 (only 8 games played)

Homer - .237

Hudler - .176

McCarty - .167 (only 13 games played)

Dats - .149

Franzen - .147

Hossa - .135

Maltby - .111

Zetterberg - .099

Samuelsson - .095

Cleary - .091

Fillipula - .073

OK, so that's it for right now. I think it's safe to say - that while looking at the multiple categories above, and the individuals numbers that accompany them that Fillipula is probably more like our 7th our 8th best forward.

But do not worry, I will be back in a short bit to put together an informative comparison between Flip and forwards throughout the league - their point production, TOI, and overall rank among their teams forwards.

Nice job owning him. If I had the time or patience i'd actually draw up numbers. But watch he'll call you "Uneducated" and make up stats to prove his point.

He's not lying. You have an opinion and he has an opinion. His opinion is more logical than yours.

If we look at every aspect of player-to-player, I would put Frazen as 4th best and Fil as 5th best. But due to Frazen's injury prone, he loses a bit of edge. So imo, it's a toss up who's 4th best player.

Weren't you the guy who claimed that Holland would trade Hudler before the deadline, despite him being an RFA, and then personally said that you wouldnt but think holland would, thus implying you had more of a sense than Holland? Yeah thought so, your point is invalid. At the end of their carears, not one single person will ever have a legitmant arguement that Filpulla was better than Hudler, and most probably Franzen.

Edited February 17, 2009 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[seeinred 1,488]

Ahhh, yes. Valtteri Filppula. The great 29 point scorer. The guy who is a month shy of turning a mere 22...er, 25...years old. The guy who scores at a rate that puts him 7th among all forwards at even strength. The guy who needs more even strength ice time than anyone else not considered a top 10 scorer to remain relevant offensively. The guy whose powerplay time climbs every game, yet his lone powerplay point remains single. The guy whose 6 goals puts him in a class with the great Brett Lebda and Kirk Maltby. The guy whose shooting percentage of 7.3% couldn't quite beat out the Shinpad Assasin himself, Mikael Samuelsson. The guy who is so talented offensively that hes been used in the shootout twice in 3 years, and made neither count. The guy who, until paired with Mr. Do-It-Myself Marian Hossa, was on pace for a breakthrough season of...36 points, despite his 3rd line teammates continuing to produce without a 100 point man on their line.

Yes, oh yes, Valtteri Filppula. How you wow us with your scoring prowess, with your ability to elevate your teammates, and with your skill that is double that of any of our other top 9 forwards, simply because you have double the consonants in both of your names.

Yes, Valterri Filppula. As a member of Babcock's coveted favorites, you join the ranks of other known greats, Mikael Samuelsson and Jason Williams. And for that, I salute you.

Yeah you totally don't seem to have anything against Val

I would respond point by point, but that would only validate your trolling.

[Datsyerberger 279]

*snip*

It is no coincidence that Jiri Hudler has more points than Filppula. While Filppula has been trusted with more defensive responsibility than a few others, I think he has been terribly overrated. Hudler, in nearly three fewer minutes of ice-time per game, is substantially outperforming Filppula, and while often playing on the 3rd or 4th line, while Filppula has frequently, if only for a period, been on the 1st and 2nd lines this year. Hudler's defensive abilities have noticably improved this year, warranting more ice-time, but that has not happened.

Mike Babcock feels that Filppula is going to be one of the best players in the game someday, which I feel is a bit far-fetched, and has given him the preference in ice-time as a result. Hudler is now a well rounded player, that on any other team would at minimum be a second line player.

Filppula is in no way our fourth best forward, with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen AND Hudler, who are ALL outperforming him offensively and all sound defensively, Filppula MIGHT be the sixth best two-way player. You have to consider who all of these guys are playing with. Franzen came here to play defense and has managed to hone his offensive skills and still play a menacing defensive game. Hudler, as previously mentioned, has played most of the year with some guys not known to have the most prowessing defensive abilities, in Samuelsson and Draper who has struggled for much of the year in that regard.

*snip*

I'm going to disagree with you here, and argue a particular point.. that point being that Hudler's performance would actually decrease with more minutes. Mind you, it would still be good, but not as it is now. At it is, if you watch the games, he's being put on the ice a lot during PPs and other situations (such as uneven line matches) where his special offensive talents can really shine. The bulk of his energy is thus saved particularly for these moments. That's not say that he would be unspectacular with a greater role, but I think that what Babcock is doing with him there is probably better for his development (and the team's success).

Flip has shown both the ability to play high ES minutes and produce with high ES minutes. His defensive game is undoubtedly fourth among our forwards. He could rack up more points if Babs played him more on the PP, but there's no need to when we have such wealth of talent. His high overall skill is saved for the large amount of ES time in which his balanced skillset excels, over that of Hudler's, in my opinion.

As for Franzen.. consider he's in his prime and these other two are a few years behind him, and note that they're doing many of the things he does already. I think he's the only one I could really put as the 4th best forward besides Flip.

But anyhow, we're all ultimately pissing in the wind, here. I'll trust Babcock's decisions and judgement, as his record does not give me any particular reason to do otherwise.

Edit: Besides this clever little edit, I'm going to ignore the last page or so of posts, as most of it is just the usual handful of downers who think 1: points are the end all be all and 2: points will rise with ice time no matter the situation.

Edited February 17, 2009 by Datsyerberger

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Um, do you need tissues because somebody's critiquing your golden boy?

When was the last time you supported your "arguments" with me using anything other than emoticons and jpgs?

Honestly, can we start a pro ban movement for these 2. None of them have ever produced anything remotley close to an arguement and in general are just asses.

Edit: Refering to Mr.sandman and topic starter.

Edited February 17, 2009 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[VM1138 1,921]

Look, I like Flip as much as the next guy, but this whole "getting defensive so I have to make Flip out to be a god" thing is getting old.

He is not the 4th best forward. Simple as that. He's trade bait. If we can keep him, good, but if we have to lose someone big, it has to be him.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Yeah you totally don't seem to have anything against Val

I would respond point by point, but that would only validate your trolling.

So its only trolling when you use facts and statistics?

If I said Filppula was a useless player, that would be something against him. If I said Filppula was the 4th best forward, that would be having an infatuation with him. If I were to say he was neither - which he is - and maintain, like I have throughout nearly his entire tenure with the Wings, thats he one of those two-way forwards who falls within the grey area of the 2nd and 3rd line, then I would be making a logical assessment that jibes well with his performance this season.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Yeah you totally don't seem to have anything against Val

I would respond point by point, but that would only validate your trolling.

Says the guy with the Val signature...

He dosen't have anything agaisnt Val, he's just not on his knees sucking him off like you.

[seeinred 1,488]

So its only trolling when you use facts and statistics?

If I said Filppula was a useless player, that would be something against him. If I said Filppula was the 4th best forward, that would be having an infatuation with him. If I were to say he was neither - which he is - and maintain, like I have throughout nearly his entire tenure with the Wings, thats he one of those two-way forwards who falls within the grey area of the 2nd and 3rd line, then I would be making a logical assessment that jibes well with his performance this season.

Right, because your post was so levelheaded and in no way a (bad) attempt to demean Flip. Oh wait...

Says the guy with the Val signature...

He dosen't have anything agaisnt Val, he's just not on his knees sucking him off like you.

Yep, he's in my avatar too. And my little user quote thingy is even in Finnish. That must make me incapable of viewing the situation with any type of logic.

Honestly, there's no need to get quite so testy there, big boy.

Edited February 17, 2009 by SeeinRed

[Datsyerberger 279]

He is not. Presently he's on pace for 41 points.

Which will probably continue to adjust upwards slightly now that it looks like he'll be centering the 2nd line (read: any two of Hudler, Franzen, and Hossa) for the rest of the year.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Right, because your post was so levelheaded and in no way a (bad) attempt to demean Flip in anyway. Oh wait...

Yep, he's in my avatar too. And my little user quote thingy is even in Finnish. That must make me incapable of viewing the situation with any type of logic.

Honestly, there's no need to get quite so testy there, big boy.

I read Younggunz "Oh Flipulla" post as more of a jibe at the idiots who think he's better than Franzen and Hudler, rather than an actual shot at Flip.

As for you saying that you are unbiased... that is a joke, whether you realise it or not, the fact remains that Flipulla is not our 4th best forward. Seeing as Holland saw him as only 200k more valuable than Cleary, that must mean that he must be our 5th best forward right? LOL, seriously this topic is becoming a joke. I'm gonna let younggunz and all the other well respected posters argue for me, but if Hudler is offered less than the 1st,2nd,3rd, package, Flipulla is as good as gone.

[Mors 201]

Ahhh, yes. Valtteri Filppula. The great 29 point scorer. The guy who is a month shy of turning a mere 22...er, 25...years old. The guy who scores at a rate that puts him 7th among all forwards at even strength. The guy who needs more even strength ice time than anyone else not considered a top 10 scorer to remain relevant offensively. The guy whose powerplay time climbs every game, yet his lone powerplay point remains single. The guy whose 6 goals puts him in a class with the great Brett Lebda and Kirk Maltby. The guy whose shooting percentage of 7.3% couldn't quite beat out the Shinpad Assasin himself, Mikael Samuelsson. The guy who is so talented offensively that hes been used in the shootout twice in 3 years, and made neither count. The guy who, until paired with Mr. Do-It-Myself Marian Hossa, was on pace for a breakthrough season of...36 points, despite his 3rd line teammates continuing to produce without a 100 point man on their line.

Yes, oh yes, Valtteri Filppula. How you wow us with your scoring prowess, with your ability to elevate your teammates, and with your skill that is double that of any of our other top 9 forwards, simply because you have double the consonants in both of your names.

Yes, Valterri Filppula. As a member of Babcock's coveted favorites, you join the ranks of other known greats, Mikael Samuelsson and Jason Williams. And for that, I salute you.

QFT.

The bottom line is Filppula has not lived up to his contract expectations this season, and he is certainly not better than Franzen OR Hudler. Get over it.

[seeinred 1,488]

I read Younggunz "Oh Flipulla" post as more of a jibe at the idiots who think he's better than Franzen and Hudler, rather than an actual shot at Flip.

As for you saying that you are unbiased... that is a joke, whether you realise it or not, the fact remains that Flipulla is not our 4th best forward. Seeing as Holland saw him as only 200k more valuable than Cleary, that must mean that he must be our 5th best forward right? LOL, seriously this topic is becoming a joke. I'm gonna let younggunz and all the other well respected posters argue for me, but if Hudler is offered less than the 1st,2nd,3rd, package, Flipulla is as good as gone.

You realize how much a player gets paid isn't necessarily indicative of his worth, right? Hossa makes quite a bit more than Datsyuk. Maltby makes more than Leino. Jeff Finger makes more than a lot of defensemen.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

You realize how much a player gets paid isn't necessarily indicative of his worth, right? Hossa makes quite a bit more than Datsyuk. Maltby makes more than Leino. Jeff Finger makes more than a lot of defensemen.

So your saying if Val was on the block right now Ken Holland (the constant evaluator of talent), he would offer him more than Franzen?

Considering that both contracts were the same year, given under the same amount of salary cap, and by the same arbitrator of talent (Holland), than yes I'd assume he'd be willin to pay the better player more.

Edited February 17, 2009 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[Guest MrSandMan]

Um, do you need tissues because somebody's critiquing your golden boy?

When was the last time you supported your "arguments" with me using anything other than emoticons and jpgs?

There's no reasoning with you, despite this team being 3rd in the league and just won the Cup, you still trash the players on the team. All of your posts on LGW are negative, whiny and complaining about this team. You seem to always trash Red Wings players. It's your typical patent typical trash-a-Red-Wing™ post. It's what you do. It's OLD!

Why do you hate the Detroit Red Wings?

[seeinred 1,488]

So your saying if Val was on the block right now Ken Holland (the constant evaluator of talent), he would offer him more than Franzen?

Considering that both contracts were the same year, given under the same amount of salary cap, and by the same arbitrator of talent (Holland), than yes I'd assume he'd be willin to pay the better player more.

You have SERIOUS reading comprehension issues. I didn't say anything even close to that.

And it's not a GM's job to pay a player how much he's worth. It's his job to pay him as little as possible while keeping the players you want to keep around. Zetterberg is worth more than 6 million. Datsyuk's worth more than 6.7. Lidstrom and Hossa are both worth more than 7.45.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

There's no reasoning with you, despite this team being 3rd in the league and just won the Cup, you still trash the players on the team. All of your posts on LGW are negative, whiny and complaining about this team. You seem to always trash Red Wings players. It's your typical patent typical trash-a-Red-Wing™ post. It's what you do. It's OLD!

Why do you hate the Detroit Red Wings?

HAHHAHAHAHHA I love how you ignore all valid points brought up upon your arguements and go straight for the YOU GUYS DONT AGREE YOU MUST HATE THE RED WINGS, bulls***. Just admit the truth, that Flipulla is not the 4th best forward on the team, and we'll spare you further embarssement.

Not spreading heresy isn't hating the red wings, its being logical. You can leave now

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

You have SERIOUS reading comprehension issues. I didn't say anything even close to that.

And it's not a GM's job to pay a player how much he's worth. It's his job to pay him as little as possible while keeping the players you want to keep around. Zetterberg is worth more than 6 million. Datsyuk's worth more than 6.7. Lidstrom and Hossa are both worth more than 7.45.

How do I have comprehension issues. Your misinterpting my posts, not vice versa. You said in a nut shell LAST TIME I CHECKED A PLAYERS SALARY ISNT INDICITIVE OF A PLAYER'S TALENT...

In wich I replied that given that both Cleary and Flipulla's contracts were given under the same salary cap amount, roughly the same time, by the same guy who decided the salarys, that yes indeed Holland thinks Flipulla is a slightly better player than cleary, as he offred him the same amount.

Dats, Z and Hossa both could have gotten more, but that has nothign to do with what was Offred by OUR KEN HOLLAND, regarding this sitation. Your just clouding the Issue cause you know you can't win. I never once argued that players weren't overpaid or that some players take hometown discounts, but seeing as both of them were signed under the same circumstances, I'd assume that Holland would offer the better player more money. Or are you trying to say that your a better evaluator of talent than Holland? Heck Mr. Sandman has allready made that known.

Edited February 17, 2009 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[Guest MrSandMan]

That may happen, but if it Does it will only because Hudler will garner us a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd.

Fil couldn't land us a 1st, 2nd or a 3rd?

Weren't you the guy who claimed that Holland would trade Hudler before the deadline, despite him being an RFA, and then personally said that you wouldnt but think holland would, thus implying you had more of a sense than Holland? Yeah thought so, your point is invalid. At the end of their carears, not one single person will ever have a legitmant arguement that Filpulla was better than Hudler, and most probably Franzen.

Your reading comprehensive skills are still challenged, I see. I'm the guy who said Holland would be more *likely* to trade Hudler than Filppula, which is absolutely *NIL*.

If I would have said "the world is likely to get hit by a meteor than Holland trading Fil", would you have read "MrSandMan said the world is under attack"?

Here, I hate to see struggling people. Have your mom check into this for you http://www.hookedonphonics.com/

Good luck!

[seeinred 1,488]

How do I have comprehension issues. Your misinterpting my posts, not vice versa. You said in a nut shell LAST TIME I CHECKED A PLAYERS SALARY ISNT INDICITIVE OF A PLAYER'S TALENT...

In wich I replied that given that both Cleary and Flipulla's contracts were given under the same salary cap amount, roughly the same time, by the same guy who decided the salarys, that yes indeed Holland thinks Flipulla is a slightly better player than cleary, as he offred him the same amount.

Dats, Z and Hossa both could have gotten more, but that has nothign to do with what was Offred by OUR KEN HOLLAND, regarding this sitation. Your just clouding the Issue cause you know you can't win.

You really, truly argue (and spell) like a 4th grader (I figured I could get away with 1 ad hominem and still look infinitely better than you).

And yes, Dats, Z, and Hossa could have gotten more. That's my point. They're paid less than they're worth. If they're paid less than they're worth, then obviously a player's worth isn't determined by his salary.

Edited February 17, 2009 by SeeinRed

[YoungGuns1340 1]

There's no reasoning with you, despite this team being 3rd in the league and just won the Cup, you still trash the players on the team. All of your posts on LGW are negative, whiny and complaining about this team. You seem to always trash Red Wings players. It's your typical patent typical trash-a-Red-Wing™ post. It's what you do. It's OLD!

Why do you hate the Detroit Red Wings?

Theres no reasoning with me, yes, because you have no reason to use. The two players you unflappably defend are Osgood and Filppula. Those are the two players I won't defend. And that makes me a hater? How do you support the way I laud the play of Hudler, Lilja, Datsyuk, etc? What about the way I commend the performance of Samuelsson, Conklin, Meech, Helm, and Leino, particularly in relation to how much they get paid versus how they produce?

I do this crazy thing where I give credit where credit is due. Hence my evaluation of Filppula as a borderline 2nd liner/really good 3rd liner. Shockingly, his performance coincides like that.

[Guest MrSandMan]

You have SERIOUS reading comprehension issues. I didn't say anything even close to that.

And it's not a GM's job to pay a player how much he's worth. It's his job to pay him as little as possible while keeping the players you want to keep around. Zetterberg is worth more than 6 million. Datsyuk's worth more than 6.7. Lidstrom and Hossa are both worth more than 7.45.

Haha, I just posted the same thing about her. I suggested to her that maybe her mom should check into http://www.hookedonphonics.com/

It's sad that her school system failed her.