TheSupafly 50 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Haha, I'm sorry you have to use a disclaimer. Some people don't deal well with outside opinions. I learned early in life. C.Y.A. (cover your ass) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSupafly 50 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Yeah, that's a completely fair opinion. I know we've battled through countless goals taken away(*^%& Dan O'Halloran). Hopefully we'll meet up in the WCF I hope so too, but you'll understand if I worry 1 round at a time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Yeah, that's a completely fair opinion. I know we've battled through countless goals taken away(*^%& Dan O'Halloran). Hopefully we'll meet up in the WCF Really? I hope San Jose loses in the first round and we draw Nashville or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 That was the best game the Red Wings have played this season. They were focused, physical and very good on defense. If those are the Red Wings that are going to show up come playoff time, there isn't a team in the league that can beat them four times. The energy level was incredible and the guys were all determined to rise to the challenge and make a statement. I know it's just a regular season game, but I also think it's a glimpse of what the Red Wings are capable of doing when they want to. I thought Nik Kronwall was the best player on the ice tonight. Darren Helm may not have the points to show, but he brings a completely different element to the team. The fourth line had a terrific game. This should be the end of Tomas Kopecky. I don't know who else sits when Homer comes back, but Helm and Leino deserve their roster spots for the playoffs. Great win Red Wings and get well soon Hossa! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 I thought the officiating was average. I find it a bit ridiculous that the boarding of Big Joe earns the same 2 minutes that the little "hook" Plihal committed...but that's a problem with the rules and not the officials really. The "hooking" calls have been consistent all year long. Stick in the midsection of the opponent = hooking, whether the individual actually was hooked or not. Yeah the play should have been whistled dead and the 3rd Detroit goal shouldn't have happened, but what are you gonna do about that? It happens, calls are missed, and as many of you pointed out, it happened before to Detroit, though that really doesn't change the fact that this call was blown as well. Who's to say that if the play IS blown dead, that Detroit doesn't just go down and score a shorty anyway? The goal taken away really did shock me. Especially since originally the ref was standing right behind the net, completely unobstructed with a perfect view, and seemed to be 100% sure that it was in. He had the best view. From the 2 replays I saw, it seemed like the puck did NOT go all the way in, but again, the call on the ice was goal, and I don't think you can really call those replays conclusive. The view was obstructed. I don't think the call should have been overturned, but if I had to guess, I don't think the puck went all the way in. *disclaimer - I was asked my opinion of the calls. I am not making excuses for the Sharks loss/Wings win. Maybe it was payback from last year when the Sharks scored the game winning goal against the Wings after the puck cleary went off the netting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Missed the game. Relieved to see that we won, and by a large margin. Love it! I feel so much better about our playoff chances lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Maybe it was payback from last year when the Sharks scored the game winning goal against the Wings after the puck cleary went off the netting Yeah, he/she mentioned that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 The goal taken away really did shock me. Especially since originally the ref was standing right behind the net, completely unobstructed with a perfect view, and seemed to be 100% sure that it was in. He had the best view. From the 2 replays I saw, it seemed like the puck did NOT go all the way in, but again, the call on the ice was goal, and I don't think you can really call those replays conclusive. The view was obstructed. I don't think the call should have been overturned, but if I had to guess, I don't think the puck went all the way in. Ken & Mickey on the FS Detroit feed had some interesting insight into that. They felt like the guys in the War Room in Toronto probably said something to the effect of "We can't say for sure it went in. If you're positive it went in, we'll be behind you all the way, but we can't say with certainty that the puck went over the line." Pure speculation, of course, but based on the fact that the call was overturned without true indisputable evidence, I have a feeling that's probably how the conversation went as well. In the end, it probably was the right call, but (shocking that I'm saying this), the replays didn't show anything that I proves it one way or another, which means the goal should have stood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSupafly 50 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Yeah, he/she mentioned that. I'm a he. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSupafly 50 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Ken & Mickey on the FS Detroit feed had some interesting insight into that. They felt like the guys in the War Room in Toronto probably said something to the effect of "We can't say for sure it went in. If you're positive it went in, we'll be behind you all the way, but we can't say with certainty that the puck went over the line." Pure speculation, of course, but based on the fact that the call was overturned without true indisputable evidence, I have a feeling that's probably how the conversation went as well. In the end, it probably was the right call, but (shocking that I'm saying this), the replays didn't show anything that I proves it one way or another, which means the goal should have stood. That may be the case...but the current set of rules are pretty clear. Call on the ice stands unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. I do agree that I don't think it went all the way in though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 When Homer comes back, if Fillpula doesnt smarten up, I'd sit him. He was probably our worst player tonight, every time he toucher the puck he looked lost. I'd more then trust Hudler as the 2nd line center if he had two big guys like Franzen and Hossa on his line Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted February 26, 2009 If you can't be 100% sure that 100% of the puck has crossed the line it's a no goal simple as that. Probably around 90% of the puck was over but it's not enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canadian_Yzerman_Fan 7 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Any word on why Hossa didn't play in the 3rd? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) Yeah filppula was one of the worst out there, franzen too, took stupid penalties and was bad defensivly and made bad decisions with the puck tonight. Edited February 26, 2009 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Third Man In 2,091 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 That may be the case...but the current set of rules are pretty clear. Call on the ice stands unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. I do agree that I don't think it went all the way in though.Exactly. I'm guessing it was the other way around: Toronto was probably 99% sure it wasn't across, but would have backed the ref if he was completely sure it was across, which he apparently wasn't. That, or Toronto had a better view than we had on TV. But I'm speculating as much as Ken and Mickey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 If you can't be 100% sure that 100% of the puck has crossed the line it's a no goal simple as that. Probably around 90% of the puck was over but it's not enough. While that's true, the problem with the argument is that the ref signaled goal. Which means that unless the War Room can show indisputable evidence that the puck did NOT cross the line, the call as made on the ice stands. They took a LONG time reviewing that goal, so that says (to me, at least) that there was no magic camera angle that proved it didn't go over the line. The few angles they showed on FS-Detroit seem to suggest that the puck didn't completely cross the line, but with what they showed, I couldn't swear to anyone that the puck DIDN'T cross the line entirely. Nice to get the lucky end of that, but I have to agree with SupaFly... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 That was the best game the Red Wings have played this season. They were focused, physical and very good on defense. If those are the Red Wings that are going to show up come playoff time, there isn't a team in the league that can beat them four times. The energy level was incredible and the guys were all determined to rise to the challenge and make a statement. I know it's just a regular season game, but I also think it's a glimpse of what the Red Wings are capable of doing when they want to. I thought Nik Kronwall was the best player on the ice tonight. Darren Helm may not have the points to show, but he brings a completely different element to the team. The fourth line had a terrific game. This should be the end of Tomas Kopecky. I don't know who else sits when Homer comes back, but Helm and Leino deserve their roster spots for the playoffs. Great win Red Wings and get well soon Hossa! Cleary should sit imo. I might get flamed for saying it, but his play as of late has not impressed me at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 When Homer comes back, if Fillpula doesnt smarten up, I'd sit him. He was probably our worst player tonight, every time he toucher the puck he looked lost. I'd more then trust Hudler as the 2nd line center if he had two big guys like Franzen and Hossa on his line Agreed. Fil looks completely lost right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSupafly 50 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 If you can't be 100% sure that 100% of the puck has crossed the line it's a no goal simple as that. Probably around 90% of the puck was over but it's not enough. That's not how it works, and it's not as simple as that. Have you figured out the offside rule yet? Sorry I couldn't help myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Cleary should sit imo. I might get flamed for saying it, but his play as of late has not impressed me at all. The five game point streak wasn't impressive? If Cleary wasn't playing that well, don't you think Babcock would have pulled him off the top line by now? Cleary was awesome tonight especially from a physical standpoint. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but what exactly hasn't impressed you from Cleary? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSupafly 50 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 While that's true, the problem with the argument is that the ref signaled goal. Which means that unless the War Room can show indisputable evidence that the puck did NOT cross the line, the call as made on the ice stands. They took a LONG time reviewing that goal, so that says (to me, at least) that there was no magic camera angle that proved it didn't go over the line. The few angles they showed on FS-Detroit seem to suggest that the puck didn't completely cross the line, but with what they showed, I couldn't swear to anyone that the puck DIDN'T cross the line entirely. Nice to get the lucky end of that, but I have to agree with SupaFly... QFT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 awesome effort. great pks, great 5-5 play, and most importantly, goal-tending! get used to the bench oz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 The five game point streak wasn't impressive? If Cleary wasn't playing that well, don't you think Babcock would have pulled him off the top line by now? Cleary was awesome tonight especially from a physical standpoint. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but what exactly hasn't impressed you from Cleary? The way he sometimes seem to think he's Zetterberg or Datsyuk and tries to carry the puck into the zone and he holds on to it way too long and ends up losing the puck. I can't be the only seeing this, he did it a ton of times tonight. Homer understands what his role is when playing with Z and D, get the puck to them as quickly as possible and get in position in front of the goal. Cleary has his strenghts, he works hard and as you say he does have a physical presence.. but I find it very hard to justify sitting guys like Helm or Leino instead of him. I guess he could play instead of Malts on the 4th line, but the way Maltby was playing tonight he should be playing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David 2 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 So I was sitting at work allll day doing absolutely nothing. 8 hours of work roll around and I'm about to leave when I'm suddenly informed I have to stay for 4 more hours. Needless to say, I missed the game and I'm disappointed by that since it seems to have been a good one. Anyone know of a place I can watch a replay of the entire game online? NHLTorrents still up? Blah... stupid busy season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lovin Jiri Fischer 147 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 I didn't see SJ goon it up at all. I saw Boyle let his frustration get the best of him and take a stupid slashing penalty at the end. The hit on Hossa wasn't intentional, he wasn't head hunting. I don't see where they should have lost their classy status in your eyes. No Tootoo action here. Man why did I even mention that guy's name...I hate that guy. No I know they didn't goon it up, but I had them elevated to a status where I didn't think they got frustrated and overly emotional (in a bad play hurting way) and take a bunch of penalties. And they did retaliate sometimes, like the Boyle slashing penalty. I know what I said came off as much more harsh than I wanted it to sound. It's just that I had them elevated to such a high status in my mind and I realized they weren't quite what I thought they were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
