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Man, that was my one chance to ruin my life. Gahhh. Having a Kopecky tattoo would have definitely been enough reason to hang myself. Guess I have to rationalize my suicide another way. <_<

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What rationalized it? Kopecky's TTOI is about half O'Sullivan's, as is his production. Go ahead, look up the numbers. What I was trying to to was include the separations between ES/PP/SH TOI because if a player scores 2 points in 20 minutes of PP time, how does that affect his overall numbers?

And GST...you do realize that "top-six forward" O'Sullivan has yet to hit the 40 point mark despite playing more minutes than Datsyuk, in the role of an offensive forward, on the power play, and with linemates who were offensively capable?

O'Sullivan played more than 3 minutes per game on the PP for LA, on average over 63 games. Yet he only has 8 PP points. That sounds like an huge failure on his part. For comparison? Jiri Hudler has played a comparable amount of PP time and scored 25 points. Edward Purcell has scored 4 points in only 56 minutes, a much quicker rate of PP scoring than O'Sullivan. O'Sullivan was seventh among the team's forwards in power play points despite being top six among forwards in PP ice time.

So I picked a forward who, like Kopecky, played both center and wing who seemed to have similar numbers to Kopecky after accounting for the differences in total ice time.

Kopecky is much better defensively and physically than O'Sullivan, and what I have done is projected each player's numbers out to a set total at ES/PP/SH. I could have just used O'Sullivan's numbers and that seems like it would have circumvented your argument by not taking away any ice time from O'Sullivan.

What is your point? You do know the Sully and his linemates on the Kings are not Datsyuk, Zetterberg Holmstrom, Franzen and/or Hossa of the Detroit Red Wings.

Is your position now that Sully isn't as good as Datsyuk? Or that he should be producing like Datsyuk because he plays the same role on a different team? Err...thanks for shedding light on the fact that Sully isn't Pavel Datsyuk Eva. :rolleyes:

Or is your point that Sully isn't a power play scoring machine? And now you're comparing him to Hudler for what? To show some correlation between Sully and Kopecky? That is so flawed I can't even address it. Dude, try to keep the train from derailing.

You made up some cockamamie formula to show what HYPOTHETICALLY Kopecky might be able to do on Fantasy Island. And I reiterate, all you succeeded in doing was stripping away playing time from Sully and gave it to Kopecky to help his numbers. Your analysis is flawed from the ground up.

I did look up the numbers. And whether it is even strength or power play, Sully's production per minute is better than Kopecky's. SIMPLE, BASIC MATH will tell you that given the known statistical data of ice time and points produced, you can project (with no guaranteed certainty) what Kopecky's numbers would look like. And they don't change. The raw numbers get better but they don't, on a points per minute basis increase.

What you've done is manipulate the numbers so that Kopeck's actual production per minute increases and Sully's goes down.

I say again, flawed from the get go.

Player A averages X amount of ice time and produces Y amount of points

Player B averages x amount of ice time and produces Y amount of points

Those are non manipulated, hard numbers. From them you can ascertain a points/minute played number. It is a hard number. It cannot be altered or skewed to prove anything.

Sully has a higher points per minute played than Kopecky. You can therefore use Sully's numbers as the benchmark for Kopecky. Given the known data of Kopecky's points/minute, if he had played the same amount of minutes as Sully, he would project to have more points than he (Kopecky) currently does. HOWEVER, his points per minute played would stay the same. And, shockingly enough, would still be less than Sullys.

Case closed.

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This Kopecky bandwagon amazes me. You guys will do anything to justify his position on the team. The bottom line is he's a 4th line player who is designated to be high energy, tough, hard hitting and hard forechecking. He isn't. You guys talk like he's some new call up from GR...he's played 166 NHL games, he's 27 years old. The only thing Kopecky has going for him right now is his price tag.

Gratz on finding a video of 1 decent hit he laid out 6 months ago though... The other 99% of his "hits" are pathetic.

Well, the contract and the fact that he has better performance, both offensively and defensively, than most other 4th liners in the league, while coming off a serious knee injury.

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IF Kopecky continues and actually turns into a consistent worth while hockey player I will quit my career in IT and become a Crow cook & salesmen for the Joe..... "Get your crow heeeeeere. Fresh hot crow heeeeeeere. Anyone? Anyone? The is best Crow in town folks, guaranteed!".

....somehow I am not worried about this quite yet.

Right Here!!! Hey Crow Man!!!!!!!!

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Well, the contract and the fact that he has better performance, both offensively and defensively, than most other 4th liners in the league, while coming off a serious knee injury.

Care to cite examples? I find it very hard to believe that Kopecky is one of the best 4th line players in the league, considering up until last week he had 11 points and has remained consistently in the negatives for +/- for the entire season.

You can hope for the best and be happy with his recent surge, but you're reaching at this point. Maybe he should go condition his knee in GR for awhile since that seems to be the fallback excuse for him not becoming the "Top 6 power forward" he could be if the stars aligned and we let Datsyuk and Hossa spoon feed him some points.

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Kopecky will be watching the playoffs from the press box.

I have some questions about life in general that could sure use that crystal ball you own. Mebee I could borrow it? I'll pay for shipping costs. But I'm guessing you already knew that. <_<

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Care to cite examples? I find it very hard to believe that Kopecky is one of the best 4th line players in the league, considering up until last week he had 11 points and has remained consistently in the negatives for +/- for the entire season.

You can hope for the best and be happy with his recent surge, but you're reaching at this point. Maybe he should go condition his knee in GR for awhile since that seems to be the fallback excuse for him not becoming the "Top 6 power forward" he could be if the stars aligned and we let Datsyuk and Hossa spoon feed him some points.

The rehab in GR I completely agree with you on, rehabbing a knee should not happen with the big club.

HOWEVER...

that was a decision the team had to make in the preseason as sending Kopecky down would have meant he were exposed to waivers, and while you may not see a problem with that, the powers that be had one.

To tell you the truth the whole discussion of Downey up or down and the Kopecky debate are both actually outcomes of the same problem, Marion Hossa. The team decided having Hossa and being in cap hell, not being able to dress Downey or Mac was better than playing without Hossa and having d-mac and Downey.

Now it is not that simple, obviously, but the root cause of Downey being in the AHL all season (along with Leino, Abdelkader, and Helm) is based on cap issues.

Otherwise I think you would have seen Downey and Mac with a total of about 50 games between them, and with Mac's injury it would have been Downey in about 70% of those games.

I also agree with you that he is not one of the best fourth line options in the league, but I will contend he is the best option the Wings have, under cap rules.

BTW Dats and Hossa would turn me into an all star, I would have so many goals and assists that just happen to hit my stick on their way to the goal or intended passer, s*** I bet after a day of practice they would be able to use my stick by passing off of it better than I could by using my stick to try and do something.

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I have some questions about life in general that could sure use that crystal ball you own. Mebee I could borrow it? I'll pay for shipping costs. But I'm guessing you already knew that. <_<

Do you watch any of the games or do you just hop on the forums to make smartass remarks? Kopecky will need to continue the tear he's on right now if he has any shot of taking a playoff roster spot away from Leino or Maltby. Babcock has stated clearly that Helm and Draper ARE PLAYING...that leaves 1 spot open. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

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Do you watch any of the games or do you just hop on the forums to make smartass remarks? Kopecky will need to continue the tear he's on right now if he has any shot of taking a playoff roster spot away from Leino or Maltby. Babcock has stated clearly that Helm and Draper ARE PLAYING...that leaves 1 spot open. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

In answer to your first question, yes, I watch all the games, and yeah I can get carried away sometimes, especially when I see a cut-and-dried, three-cornered-fingersnap, black and white, absolute statement. I.E., "THIS is the way it's gonna be!" I cannot think of A sport where that kind of statement is reasonable under any circumstances except maybe one hour before the playoffs begin. And I will root for the guy and hope he keeps picking up his game and makes enough waves so that yes, he might just get in the lineup. And I hadn't seen your name before here so in my mind, that makes you a hopee.

Have a good one.

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