Top 10 Athletes after 40 years old

[Vladifan 680]

Complete ignorance. ---------->

Oh, woe is me, eh? I have watched all kinds of sports and along the way I have formed my opinions from my experiences. Check the skies. The nerve, huh?!

Even though I have not played a whole lot of them, somewhere along the line I felt I had a right to voice my opinions on the subject without being ridiculed for it. And who says NASCAR fans aren't uppity? Certainly not moi!

So rather than kid myself that this conversation is open and democratic and one involving shared opinions I think I'm just gonna say byebye? Oh, how I'll miss it all. And yes. I understand I will have to live with that the rest of my days.

Edited March 18, 2009 by Vladifan

[Opie 308]

Well, debate aside and for a bit of homerism for a moment, Datsyuk got that beautiful assist (EN as it might be) without a stick! XD

Yeah but, dude, its Datsyuk, he isn't really human!

[Guest Shoreline]

Tour de France = Sport, Why? Athlete does the work and has direct impact on the results, and in fact the smallest of miscalculation to the vehicle he is traveling on could cost him the race, but he is the power plant.

NASCAR, Formula 1, Indy series = Not a sport, why, The Athlete does a lot of the work and has a direct impact on the results and in fact the smallest miscalculation to the vehicle he is traveling on could cost him the race, but the power plant is a 350 horse power chevy, ford, toyota, dodge.

This is actually an argument I made earlier, and is precisely why auto racing in general isn't sport-like or athletic, as it is only partially up to the driver's skill to win the race. The driver isn't moving the car, the car is moving him. As mentioned before, the car does all of the hard work. A hockey player uses the stick to hit but it is entirely up to the athleticism of the hockey player as to how it travels into the net, and the player is left to his own devices to move himself. To be fair, he didn't argue that they were more athletic or anything than hockey players, but nonetheless, the very fact that the racer is at the behest of his car and not even mostly his own devices is exactly why NASCAR or auto racing in general are not sports and certainly not athletic. One can be skilled in auto racing. One can be skilled at hitting a ball 550 feet. One can be skilled at hitting a hole in one on a Par 3 or 4, or consistently judging the wind and hitting it on the green often. But it has nothing to do with being an athlete. Sorry Tiger, sorry McGwire, sorry Petty.

[T.Low 1,011]

Nascar drivers lose 10-15 pounds per race.

Hockey players lose 5-8 pounds per game.

I think some of you are confusing "sitting on your couch and watching Nascar" with actually driving a 4000 lb race car at 200 miles per hour for four hours.

Or you have a very narrow, unenlightenned view of athleticism.

[soonboomer 31]

Nascar drivers lose 10-15 pounds per race.

Hockey players lose 5-8 pounds per game.

I think some of you are confusing "sitting on your couch and watching Nascar" with actually driving a 4000 lb race car at 200 miles per hour for four hours.

Or you have a very narrow, unenlightenned view of athleticism.

If you can smoke a cigarette while doing an activity, its NOT A SPORT...Golf, Bowling, Pool, Darts, NASCAR====NOT SPORTS

[T.Low 1,011]

This is actually an argument I FAILED AT earlier, and is precisely why auto racing is part of the MOTORSPORTS genre, as it is only partially up to the driver's skill to win the race. The driver isOPERATING the car, the car is moving him. As mentioned before, the car does all of the VELOCITY work. hence the term "Motorsports" A hockey player uses the stick to hit, therefore it is partially up to the athleticism of the hockey player combined with the mechanical advantage of leverage and physics of the stickas to how it travels into the net, and the player is left to his own power combined with the mechnical advantage of a skate blade and skate technology in general (devices) to move himself. To be fair, he didn't argue that they were more athletic or anything than hockey players, but nonetheless, the very fact that the racer is at the behest of his car (equipment) and not even mostly his own devices is exactly why NASCAR or auto racing in general are motorsports and certainly are athletic. One can be skilled in auto racing. One can be skilled at hitting a ball 550 feet. One can be skilled at hitting a hole in one on a Par 3 or 4, or consistently judging the wind and hitting it on the green often. But there is also a lot of athleticism involved. Like Tiger, like McGwire, like Petty.

Well said, I agree.

[Guest Shoreline]

Well said, I agree.

I wanted to laugh but I actually cringed at how unfunny and abysmal that was -- hope it didn't take much brain power.

[Doggy 130]

Can we all at least agree that pro-wrestling is the only "true" sport?

Yes.

[Doggy 130]

Well said, I agree.

Me too. It actually sums it up quite well.

[tweekvp 0]

Nascar drivers lose 10-15 pounds per race.

Hockey players lose 5-8 pounds per game.

I think some of you are confusing "sitting on your couch and watching Nascar" with actually driving a 4000 lb race car at 200 miles per hour for four hours.

Or you have a very narrow, unenlightenned view of athleticism.

Apples and oranges.

If I sat in a 150+ degree car for 4 hours I would sweat off the pounds too and I'm not an athlete.

Drivers could choose to drink more during the race. They choose not to because extra fluid would add weight to the car and slow them down. (kidding)

Hockey players can take a drink every time their line is on the bench (Goalies every stoppage).

Edit: What was this thread originally about again?

Edited March 18, 2009 by tweekvp

[T.Low 1,011]

Apples and oranges are both fruit.

If I drove in a 150+ degree racecar for 4 hours at 200mph I would sweat off the pounds too but probably kill myself because I'm not an athlete.

Drivers could choose to drink more during the race. They choose not to because extra fluid would add weight to the car and slow them down. (kidding)

Hockey players can take a drink every time their line is on the bench (Goalies every stoppage).

Edit: What was this thread originally about again?

Edited March 18, 2009 by T.Low

[Electrophile 3,554]

Did I wander into a George Carlin sketch?

[tweekvp 0]

T.Low is into fruit.

[T.Low 1,011]

T.Low is also into seeing all the Kalamas at the zoo, and the Bellingham RollerBetties. (See Osaka Punch of Flash.) http://www.bellinghamrollerbetties.com/bios.html

[tweekvp 0]

T.Low is also into seeing all the Kalamas at the zoo, and the Bellingham RollerBetties. (See Osaka Punch of Flash.) http://www.bellinghamrollerbetties.com/bios.html

Nice!

No wonder there is a conflict here. It's a derby girl and a derby ref arguing a point. No good ever comes of that.

[Datsyerberger 279]

Did I wander into a George Carlin sketch?

What tubes?

[Booster313 138]

No Hasek? Too bad.

I agree!

[Casey 145]

Haha, you were the first person to catch on to this. I initially made the error when I was managing one of my fantasy hockey teams, and decided to run with it once I figured out people were ignorant to the fact I was talking about Mark Martin... which kinda goes a way towards proving that particular point, doesn't it?

I was wondering who you were talking about, but didn't know if he was some ASA or Busch series driver I haven't seen. My fandom of NASCAR went downhill pretty fast after '01.

[Electrophile 3,554]

What tubes?

I bet your name is Tucker.

Edited March 19, 2009 by Electrophile

[Datsyerberger 279]

I bet your name is Tucker.

Heh.

Naw.

[DMAC 25 18]

How could Ric Flair not be on the list?

because the 10 ten are in sports that are not scripted out before it starts

[Opie 308]

DOGGY & DATSYERBERGER

I did not realize that I hit add reply for this first post, I know I was jumping around a lot, but what I meant that post to look like was the second time I posted it.

Sorry if it seemed like I stated those sports were not done by athletes, my point was supposed to be they are athletes but do not play a sport. I now see why my point was not being understood!!

While NASCAR drivers may be athletic what they do does not fall under MY rules for a sport, much like figure skating is not a sport to me, follow closely.

1. Does it take athletic ability.

THIS IS WHAT IS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TIME!

While NASCAR drivers may be athletic what they do does not fall under MY rules for a sport, much like figure skating is not a sport to me, follow closely.

1. Does it take athletic ability.

i. because it takes athletic ability that does not automatically make it a sport, see dancing, hiking, nascar, diving, gymnastics, ballet, figure skating, synchronized swimming etc...

ii. Not all sports are as athletically demanding as others, see baseball and golf as good examples.

2. Do the athletes involved determine the outcome of the activity.

i. You may say a driver impacts the results, but he can be the best driver in the world, drive the car perfectly through every turn and a flat tire, empty gas tank, and/ or mechanical defect can control and often does control the outcome of the event, and more often than not has a bigger impact on how the results play out than the driver themselves.

ii. Figure skating, diving, anything decided by a judge is in my opinion not a sport.

a. You may say well the ref letting a puck played off of the netting count for a goal is impacting the result, yes I agree but he outcome is not decided by that one play, where as figure skating and others are decided based on an observers biases, the score comes directly from those people not by stepping on a base or by running a certain distance.

3. An athletic event is not a sporting event, and that is not meant to be an insult, have any of you ever had a friend or knew some one that did gymnastics. You may never see a more athletic specimen and a person in better shape than a gymnist, but guess what, gymnastics, not a sport in my book because their score comes directly from a judge, and a personal bias can impact their score more than their performance.

But I will add this disclaimer, we all have our own biasess, if you are a NASCAR fan you are going to change your idea of what makes a sport, I find NASCAR boring as all hell, that doesn't make it less of a challenge to do, I find golf even more boring to watch and to play, doesn't make it not a sport.

Also you may notice my first list of athletic events that are not sports synch. swimming, however I think swimming (olympics) is a sport

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

because the 10 ten are in sports that are not scripted out before it starts

So, you still have to be a great athlete to do that stuff.

Based on your thinking, acrobats aren't athletes either, since everything they do is scripted.

[Hossa7.4 0]

I was one of the few that thought of Gordie right away, and then Cheli if this was for active only.

IMO the "article" was right on about Gordie in that he just didn't hang on collecting points as a sideshow.

He often finished in the top ten in points league wide when he was in his 40's. He deserved to be on the ice. His longevity was one of his greatest attributes and something he had a ton more than Lemieux and Gretzky. This is one of the reasons I feel he is still underrated to this day. He was a complete player with amazing longevity and I still have him at #1 all time.

What's one of the main arguments people bring up for Mario being better than Gretzky? If Mario had stayed healthy, if , if , if , well , IMO we have had that. That player was Howe. He was not only incredibly talented, he was healthy and had the best longevity of anybody to play the game.

[Datsyerberger 279]

I noticed, Opie. I made a big reply to it. Think its near the top of this page, or something. Or maybe last page. But I responded to all your points, I think.

Edited March 19, 2009 by Datsyerberger