Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 And it should definitely be a consideration, as replacing Lidstrom is essentially impossible. Holland may have to re-evaluate his goaltending philosophy. The cap going down + Luongo willing to take a paycut could also potentially result in a palatable contract as well. If anyone can replace Lidstrom's effect on this team it's someone of Luongo's calibre. He can't have the C, though, that's reserved for persons with a 12 year contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 You guys are also assuming that the "Lidstrom Cap" will still apply in a couple seasons and it won't. Its now the "Datsyuk cap". You're not going to see anyone else, including Luongo making more than $6.7 million a season. If Z and Datsyuk are taking less than $7 million, no other player on the team justifies it, including Luongo. And I don't think it'll be a problem, money was never a problem with Luongo, he just wants to play on a winning team. Where are you getting that idea? No one said anything about the Lidstrom cap being implemented. With grim projections that the cap could drop to 48M, no Stanley Cup contender - not playoff contender, Stanley Cup contender - is going to be throwing Lidstrom-esque numbers at Luongo. Hell, if Luongo wants to play for the Wings, he may have go to with Brodeur's figures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 P.S. Seeing this thread title on the main board reminds me of a few years ago. "Datsyuk for Luongo!" some said. Haha. Then he went to Vancouver for an average Dman and a shell of a player. Yikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 Luongo is 2010's Hossa. Bank on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 Well, if we lose a bunch of players like we seem to be bracing for, pulling in Luongo would be a smart move. It won't happen anytime soon, but I've always said, and will repeat now, that Luongo will someday be a Red Wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker BigGuy 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 If the Wings get Luongo and maintain the rest of the team, minus a goalie, we should be called the Yankees. How about instituting a cap tax, like MLB? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) Luongo is 2010's Hossa. Bank on it. Luongo won't sign for just one year. I wouldn't be suprised if Luongo would end up in Montreal, Chicago or Washington. Certainly not Detroit. Edited March 26, 2009 by interminded Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 We got McCollum, I've seen enough of his games to be satisfied that he'll be a legit number one goaltender in the next 3 or 4 years. Until then we just use bandaids until then with a goalie and hopefully the salary cap is on the rise with a larger TV contract and new CBA amendments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 Luongo won't sign for just one year. I wouldn't be suprised if Luongo would end up in Montreal, Chicago or Washington. Certainly not Detroit. My main point was Luongo will sign in Detroit to play for a contender for less money. No need to act like the two situations will be completely identical. Also everyone thought Hossa wouldn't sign here, considering the offers Edmonton, Pittsburgh, and others gave him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 My main point was Luongo will sign in Detroit to play for a contender for less money. No need to act like the two situations will be completely identical. Also everyone thought Hossa wouldn't sign here, considering the offers Edmonton, Pittsburgh, and others gave him. Put Luongo in a team like Montreal or Washington and you have to Cup contenders right there. It's not like he's Ray Bourque who needs a star-laden team to have a chance to win the Stanley Cup. He needs a good team and there are plenty of those in the NHL. I just don't think Luongo is in need to sign with the Red Wings. But that's just my take.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 Put Luongo in a team like Montreal or Washington and you have to Cup contenders right there. It's not like he's Ray Bourque who needs a star-laden team to have a chance to win the Stanley Cup. He needs a good team and there are plenty of those in the NHL. I just don't think Luongo is in need to sign with the Red Wings. But that's just my take.. Washington is not Detroit. Montreal is not Detroit. I seriously think you are underplaying how dominant of a franchise Detroit has. New Jersey is the only other team that has such a high probability of success in the playoffs. Good teams don't win cups. Great teams win cups. And if Luongo wants a cup he is going to the team that will give him the undisputed best chance at winning it. Montreal and Washington are not those teams (at least right now). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enforcer#24 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 We would just be stupid if we wouldn´t honestly go for him (not at this point but 2010/2011)!! He´s now making 7 Mill. per season. Let´s assume with our contender discout he probably will ask for 6 - 6.5 Mill. Hell yeah, he is worth every single cent of that!!!! Let´s look ahead to 2010/2011: - expected losses for this deal: 1) Holmström (free agent/retirement?) 2) Draper (I don´t believe he is playing until 2011, although he has a contract) 3) Filppula or Brad Stuart Flips: let´s give him some more minutes per game in the next season to see what he really brings to the table (and if he is worth the 3.5 Mill) Stuart: His 2 years NTC will be expired at 2010. It is then a limited NTC but if he doesn´t improved, Kenny would find a solution! Please keep in mind that this solution will bring us the best goalie in the NHL (imo) + some other draft benefits (prospects and/or draft picks)!! If I just think of Luongo in a Wings jersey... Kenny you know what to do;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) First off, lidström will re-sign 1 year at a time, from 2010, he can play til' he's 45 and probably be the best Dman in the league at 45 anyway, he just needs a elbow surgery in the offseason and he's godlike again Second... guys like Brian Campbell must be the winners, managed to get huge contract they dont even deserve from the hawks management... 7.5M for 8years or something? Edited March 26, 2009 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman Maouth 97 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 Which is why I think Bouwmeester and Luongo would take less than market value to play here. Luongo may also take a discount to play in Vancouver. There is a trend developing here. "That's what we need everybody to do. If we're going to win the Cup, we need guys to take pay cuts. The way the salary cap is now, you really can't get what you're worth now if you want to win. Everybody in this locker-room knows that, and for us to be a great team going forward, we're going to have to take a pay cut. I want to play here for a long time." -- Ryan Kesler "That's what I'm hoping. We've got a really good group of guys in here that understand the salary-cap world. Obviously, we play this game to win the Stanley Cup and to do that you can't be too greedy when it comes down to paycheques and contract talks. If you look at teams like Detroit, they have guys who could make a lot more money than they're making right now, but they're taking a little less to win a Stanley Cup. So hopefully guys will do the same in this locker-room when they become UFAs [unrestricted free agents] this summer or in the future. That's how we're going to build a winning team." -- Alex Burrows Now I know you guys love to belittle the Canucks. I certainly saw plenty of it here last summer. "Mike Gillis is an idiot", etc., etc., and "the Canucks are going to be bottom-dwellers in 2008-2009." But the Canucks organization has a very good attitude right now and are playing excellent hockey. The future is bright in Vancouver and if Gillis continues to put a good team on the ice, I don't see Luongo going anywhere. It's about atttitude, and the desire to become a champion, not a rich also-ran, and that attitude seems to be quite prevalent in the Canucks dressing room right now. In other words, don't get your hopes that Luongo is even leaving Vancouver, let alone landing in Detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 Washington is not Detroit. Montreal is not Detroit. I seriously think you are underplaying how dominant of a franchise Detroit has. New Jersey is the only other team that has such a high probability of success in the playoffs. Good teams don't win cups. Great teams win cups. And if Luongo wants a cup he is going to the team that will give him the undisputed best chance at winning it. Montreal and Washington are not those teams (at least right now). Sir, you're absolutely right, Washington is not Detroit. Montreal is not Detroit. And that is exactly my point. The mere fact that Detroit is a power-franchise, arguably the best run franchise in the NHL somewhat eliminates the need for a goalie like Robert Luongo. And let's be honest, it doesn't take a GREAT team to win the Stanley Cup. The Ducks in 2007, the Canes in 2006 and the Lightning in 2004 .... seriously.. those were not GREAT teams... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 love to see him come to detroit but i doubt its gonna happen unless if he takes a huge pay cut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 Sir, you're absolutely right, Washington is not Detroit. Montreal is not Detroit. And that is exactly my point. The mere fact that Detroit is a power-franchise, arguably the best run franchise in the NHL somewhat eliminates the need for a goalie like Robert Luongo. You are right about not needing a guy like Luongo. However, with the loss of Lidstrom there is going to be a serious void in defense, and that is a void that a guy like Luongo can fill two fold. We didn't need Hossa this year either yet Holland was able to sign him anyways. See? Another comparison. And let's be honest, it doesn't take a GREAT team to win the Stanley Cup. The Ducks in 2007, the Canes in 2006 and the Lightning in 2004 .... seriously.. those were not GREAT teams... I will agree with you on everything but the Ducks. That was a great team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
