Burrows + Semin = Next Sissy Fight?

[Guest Four]

Well it looks like Alexander Semin isn't the only one who can't fight.. Just look at Burrows pull that hair!

Edited March 30, 2009 by Four

[Guest Shoreline]

When's the last physical Burrows had? They might want to check him for a ******.

[Guest micah]

Come on. Wings fans really ought not be pointing out "sissy" moves or noting that certain players on other teams "can't fight". People who live in glass houses and all that.

That said - Burrows really can't fight - and he looks nowhere near as cool pulling people's hair as Bob Probert looked when he pulled people's hair. Despite being innept when it comes to the fisticuffs, Burrows is often a willing combatant. I loathe the guy, but I give him that. He's a mouthy dickweed, but at least he (sometimes) stands up and takes his medicine. Good on him for that, at least. I did enjoy watching Vinnie Lecavalier give it to him last year, and Tootoo earlier this year.

[ManLuv4Clears 7]

Besides the shenanigans, it’s nice to see a good line brawl.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

When's the last physical Burrows had? They might want to check him for a ******.

Sounds like you've never been in a streetfight (which is fine). Hair makes for a great handle, and the longer the better. If you've got one handful of hair and one free hand, the fight is pretty much over. No guy whose ass you just handed to him and who is now leaking blood all over the floor is going to tease you because you used his hair as a direct link to ground zero. On the other hand, the Alexander Semin windmill punches were totally ineffective and for that reason, quite embarrassing. At least Burrows had a chance at getting an advantage.

The argument could be made though that that has no place in hockey, and for the most part I would agree. However, out of all the ways you can actually hurt someone in the NHL, hair-pulling in and of itself is way down on the list unless it's used like I indicated above.

It was a heated game and the Hawks had just intentionally hit Luongo in the face and had also gone after Daniel Sedin. The former was shutting them out, the latter was owning them on the scoreboard. That's what I found most disgraceful about the game. The Chicago Babyhawks couldn't take a loss, so they took it out on the two players who were most kicking their ass the in the way the game is supposed to be played.

Edited March 30, 2009 by One of the Few

[skacore 2]

Probert would pull hair too

[Guest Shoreline]

Sounds like you've never been in a streetfight (which is fine).

You mean a professional street fight on ice? No. I doubt you have either. Burrows, time to go see the team doctor.

Edited March 30, 2009 by Shoreline

[Konnan511 1,736]

Sounds like you've never been in a streetfight (which is fine). Hair makes for a great handle, ...

Are you a woman? Let me guess you also think kicking in the nuts is an effect move as well. Same with scratching and eye gouging? Not saying that I am the master of a street fight, but there are some unwritten rules in those believe it or not. If you're going to get your ass handed to you at least go down like a man. Maybe that's because I am a master of Jui-Jitsu and I have a thing called honor, or the fact I am a man, but what Burrows did was a ***** move and has no place anywhere except for a cat fight.

[Guest Shoreline]

Are you a woman? Let me guess you also think kicking in the nuts is an effect move as well. Same with scratching and eye gouging? Not saying that I am the master of a street fight, but there are some unwritten rules in those believe it or not. If you're going to get your ass handed to you at least go down like a man. Maybe that's because I am a master of Jui-Jitsu and I have a thing called honor, or the fact I am a man, but what Burrows did was a ***** move and has no place anywhere except for a cat fight.

A cat fight on ice, with refs circling around, and team doctors 50-150 feet away. To even mention street fight in the same sentence as this crap is laughable. *points and laughs at One of the Few*

[zaxx 0]

Anyone who claims there is a "code' in fighting and players respect each other is forgetting that for every Probert who respected the code there is another player who does not. An even then the code respecting players will forgo the code when emotions burn hot enough. When in a fight if a guy is backed into a corner any advantage will be taken. The guy who backs down first will be the one to have his face on the ice. Players have bitten each other (see Derick Dorsett while in the WHL), eye gouged (Ott), taken the low blow, or tossed punches long after the refs came in. These guys get emotional and when the fight or flight behavior kicks in, they are fighting to survive. Retired fighters always talk about how scared they were the night before a big game when they knew they were going to have to fight a big guy. These are not super heroes, they are simply men, with all their flaws.

Some guys train and learn how to properly and cleanly win a fight, others pull hair, some use the clean fight skills and augment them with some dirty tricks. In fact dirty tricks in a hockey fight have been around longer then the NHL. Guys used to wrap tape on their fists or any number of tricks to get the advantage. This behavior is a part of the game, a sick part but it is there.

Growing up in Canada everyone spoke of the lore of fighting, but behind closed doors the tricks were always present. This is why the tie down on the back of the jersey came about, and why guys have thrown punches that purposely miss so they can contact with the hard plastic elbow pad. There is no respect during a fight, NHL or not.

Before anyone marks me as an anti-fight fool, let me say I am a big fan of hockey fights. I love when two players have battled for an entire game, the emotions boil over and they decide to duke it out. Shows character when you are willing to stand up man vs man to try and get that upper hand.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Come on. Wings fans really ought not be pointing out "sissy" moves or noting that certain players on other teams "can't fight". People who live in glass houses and all that.

That said - Burrows really can't fight - and he looks nowhere near as cool pulling people's hair as Bob Probert looked when he pulled people's hair. Despite being innept when it comes to the fisticuffs, Burrows is often a willing combatant. I loathe the guy, but I give him that. He's a mouthy dickweed, but at least he (sometimes) stands up and takes his medicine. Good on him for that, at least. I did enjoy watching Vinnie Lecavalier give it to him last year, and Tootoo earlier this year.

Exactly.

I think both Semin and Burrows could beat up our 6'3 turtle Johan Franzen, after seeing his strategy against Vandermeer. Sammy is in the same boat as Franzen.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

Are you a woman?

Nope.

Let me guess you also think kicking in the nuts is an effect move as well.

Absolutely. Don't tell anyone, but that's one of my opening moves.

Same with scratching and eye gouging?

I wouldn't go that far. My fingernails are too short to be effective.

Not saying that I am the master of a street fight, but there are some unwritten rules in those believe it or not.

Outside of using a weapon, no there aren't. Last man standing wins. If you don't do it to him, he could do it to you. I'll err on the side of caution, a kick to the nuts and I'll turn his knees backwards if he gives me the chance. He can think about "honor" as he gets loaded into the ambulance.

If you're going to get your ass handed to you at least go down like a man.

But that didn't happen because I beat him with the weapons I had at my disposal -- my body and my brain.

Maybe that's because I am a master of Jui-Jitsu and I have a thing called honor, or the fact I am a man, but what Burrows did was a ***** move and has no place anywhere except for a cat fight.

Sanctioned league fights are an entirely different animal, but that's not what you were talking about above. Besides, I already said, "The argument could be made though that that has no place in hockey, and for the most part I would agree."

By the way -- wasn't Bob Probert also a beloved Red Wing? Does your disdain for Burrows cover Probert as well?

Edited March 30, 2009 by One of the Few

[NGKEIB 32]

Exactly.

I think both Semin and Burrows could beat up our 6'3 turtle Johan Franzen, after seeing his strategy against Vandermeer. Sammy is in the same boat as Franzen.

Nah, Franzen seems to just hit the ground as quickly as possible, whereas Samuelsson at least gives some banter and hangs on.

[Guest micah]

Red Wings fans should be familiar with the signature moves of our enforcers. Sammy's is the "faind a linesman, get behind him, then look menacing and say "if this guy wasn't holding me back I'd..."....Franzen fights like a man, he jumps right in there, leading with his face in an attempt to break his opponent's hand. Lilja stole this move from Franzen and used it to great effect in his last fight. You could clearly see Weber rubbing his tender knuckles in the box after the Lilja fight. He'll think twice before he crosses the mighty Red and White again.

[mariah 0]

I am a girl and I would not pull hair during a fight. I think that it is very sad to see a grown man pulling another mans hair. I wonder if the team doctor knows how to give a pap smear ?

[uk_redwing 495]

As said before, Wings fans shouldnt be calling anyone whos fighting a sissy. Because its one step up from what our team does.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

As said before, Wings fans shouldnt be calling anyone whos fighting a sissy. Because its one step up from what our team does.

Well, it's true that the Wings have developed a reputation for a lack of team toughness, but last years Stanley Cup and a few in recent years before that mitigates all that doesn't it?

It's always very difficult to argue with success. I'd say the time to criticize team toughness wouldn't be until if and when you get pushed around and knocked out of the playoffs. The Wings play a very smart and disciplined game (much like the Sedin's) and that's to be commended. If I were a Wings fan I'd be more concerned about goaltending at this point.

[uk_redwing 495]

I didnt say anything about lack of fights = lack of success

I just think it ridiculous for any wings fan for calling an opposing player a sissy for fighting

[mariah 0]

I would rather our boys not fight at all if that is how they would fight. Pulling someones hair is a ***** move no matter what team you play for, no matter if it's a street fight or on the ice. I have no respect for a man the pulls hair or sucker punches someone or bites there finger or tries to remove there eye balls. Stand up throw punches and be a man. :punch:

[Guest Four]

I didnt say anything about lack of fights = lack of success

I just think it ridiculous for any wings fan for calling an opposing player a sissy for fighting

No no, I didn't call them sissys, because well, they play in the NHL! Just their fighting tactics are sissy-ish

[T.Low 1,011]

Sounds like you've never been in a streetfight (which is fine). Hair makes for a great handle, and the longer the better. If you've got one handful of hair and one free hand, the fight is pretty much over. No guy whose ass you just handed to him and who is now leaking blood all over the floor is going to tease you because you used his hair as a direct link to ground zero. On the other hand, the Alexander Semin windmill punches were totally ineffective and for that reason, quite embarrassing. At least Burrows had a chance at getting an advantage.

The argument could be made though that that has no place in hockey, and for the most part I would agree. However, out of all the ways you can actually hurt someone in the NHL, hair-pulling in and of itself is way down on the list unless it's used like I indicated above.

It was a heated game and the Hawks had just intentionally hit Luongo in the face and had also gone after Daniel Sedin. The former was shutting them out, the latter was owning them on the scoreboard. That's what I found most disgraceful about the game. The Chicago Babyhawks couldn't take a loss, so they took it out on the two players who were most kicking their ass the in the way the game is supposed to be played.

Dude, its one thing to be in a street fight and grab a handle full of hair with the left, and rap away with the right. Thats not at all the way it went down.

Burroughs had the opportunity to hit with the right hand but instead chose to pull hair with that hand. Freaky. I would be really embarrassed if my team mate did that. Hopefully, he wouldn't be my linemate.