Vladifan 680 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) I think the scrums after the whistles are stupid and out of hand. I propose this solution: 1) Linesmen are to stay out of scrums. Do not get between players. These are professional atheletes, they can handle themselves. If they want to "send a message", let them, don't break it up so that the same damn thing happens after the next whistle. 2) Start calling either Roughing or Delay of Game penalties for every intentional contact that is made after the whistle. Penalise every single instance of face-washing or gloved-punching after the whistle. This should accomplish two things, speed up the game, which fans like, and increase the number of fights, which fans like. As it is today, we have cowardly players who would rather die than drop their gloves throwing punches at other player's heads in scrums and getting away with it. That's garbage. If you refuse to fight, keep your hands at your sides and skate away like the wimp you are. If you want to stand up for yourself or send a message, then DO IT! None of this boring half-asses crap that just slows down the game. Are you saying here that if the refs don't break it up, they will or they won't keep fighting? Not sure what you mean. I couldn't agree more on penalizing every single instance of after-the-whistle scrums and not only because it would definitely speed up the game. It drives me absolutely nuts that hotshot chickens***s decide to wait till after the whistle to get in their cheap shots. And almost always, they get away with it. That to me is the outrageous part because they are the cowards. They are the ones who can be pretty sure they can pound away without getting called for it and often not getting it back in their faces. Meanwhile, chances are very strong that the Blues are going to lose their series because they are undisciplined and out of control, calls or no calls. The Ducks should be losing their series if the Sharks had a clue about scoring on power plays. The Hawks better figure out how to maintain control. Their age and lack of discipline could come back and bite them in the butt. And if the refs do the job they're paid to do, the Wings - those wimps of the NHL - will win it all. Period. Edited April 21, 2009 by Vladifan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Obviously the problem is the extracurricular stuff that occurs after the whistle, while the game is out of reach, which can culminate in "Bertuzzi" like instances, or simply an overreaction to a small incident. The outrage for Wings fans when Franzen was given a two-hander to the chest, or when Cujo was purposely trainwrecked by Nieminen.. weird how for a few the outrage disappears when it's other teams players. Right now though the league's "message sending" thing is a bit vague by their enforcement of it, even though the intent is clear. If they aren't going to enforce it consistently, they can't be taken seriously and it should be wiped out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Are you saying here that if the refs don't break it up, they will or they won't keep fighting? Not sure what you mean. Sometimes they will, sometimes they won't. Either way, things would be better than they are now. Either the players fight (rad!) or they skate back to the bench and the game continues with minimal interruption. I also think that a gloved punch or a facewash should count as instigating if a fight follows. I have no use for that worthless garbage. If you want to punch a guy with your glove on, great, but if he beats the tar out of you, you deserve the instigator because you started it. If we counted facewashes and gloved punches as instigating, that coward crap would disappear because anyone who did it would be forced to back it up, and they'd get a 2 minute penalty. You wanna send a message? Fine, send one - just make sure you drop your gloves and send it big. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Everyone on the Wing's and Jackets better be on their best behavior tommorrow night. Word is that Gary Butt...I mean Bettman is going to be in the house for the BJ's first ever home playoff game !! My guess is he sends a cardboard cut-out of himself and has someone set it up in Columbus, he wouldn't miss a Pens game, would he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 i heard they are aiming for a hitless and penalty free game, and if they achieve their goal then all fans in attendance will receive a free barbie doll esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 HM FTW. /thread I'm a little old, slow and dense. Are you giving me a or a ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 I'm a little old, slow and dense. Are you giving me a or a ? Hockey Matters for the win..... I'm with you my friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 I'm a little old, slow and dense. Are you giving me a or a ? GillyFro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Hockey Matters for the win..... I'm with you my friend. cool. thought i was gonna have to drop the gloves on this one! lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 GillyFro Ahhhhh yyeeeeessss. I remeber Gilly. But I think this is more correct :thumbup: don't you? :thumbup: :square: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Ahhhhh yyeeeeessss. I remeber Gilly. But I think this is more correct :thumbup: don't you? Lets see: :thumbup: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) cool. thought i was gonna have to drop the gloves on this one! lol. Ha, please don't. I got upended in my rec league game Sunday and am still feeling the after effects; maybe I'm the one getting old. On topic, after that happened, I remember having some choice words for him, I don't think that was perceived as sending a "message," if so I'll just ask him politely next time we play to not do it again. Maybe that will align more with the league's direction. Edited April 21, 2009 by ManLuv4Clears Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Out of hand? Seriously? What's happened? Who has been injured as a result? I really enjoy the rough stuff. Message sending gone too far is Bertuzzi on Moore. Harden up. This is hockey. I should have expanded on my original post. I personally love the physical intensity of playoff hockey. And I have no problem with fighting either. It just seems like after every whistle, especially around the goalie, there is a scrum in every single game. And we're not talking heavy-weight fights. We're talking about non-fighters like Crosby, or Koivu, or Oshie punching people without dropping the gloves. None of these players have any intention of fighting and they know that either their team-mates or the officials will get involved. Just seems like a lot of posturing. Annnnnnnnnd when it happens 8-10 times a game it loses it's effect and becomes lame. Like "eye rollingly" lame. And I'm not even talking about the shameful amount of stick work that has been going on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 I should have expanded on my original post. I personally love the physical intensity of playoff hockey. And I have no problem with fighting either. It just seems like after every whistle, especially around the goalie, there is a scrum in every single game. And we're not talking heavy-weight fights. We're talking about non-fighters like Crosby, or Koivu, or Oshie punching people without dropping the gloves. None of these players have any intention of fighting and they know that either their team-mates or the officials will get involved. Just seems like a lot of posturing. Annnnnnnnnd when it happens 8-10 times a game it loses it's effect and becomes lame. Like "eye rollingly" lame. And I'm not even talking about the shameful amount of stick work that has been going on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted April 21, 2009 I should have expanded on my original post. I personally love the physical intensity of playoff hockey. And I have no problem with fighting either. It just seems like after every whistle, especially around the goalie, there is a scrum in every single game. And we're not talking heavy-weight fights. We're talking about non-fighters like Crosby, or Koivu, or Oshie punching people without dropping the gloves. None of these players have any intention of fighting and they know that either their team-mates or the officials will get involved. Don't forget Datsyuk! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dawgs 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 The cheap s***s gotta go. I hate when two guys are squared off and a third comes in from behind and wraps the guy up around the head and neck area. Thats some cheap s*** there. Anytime a third man comes in between two guys that are squared off he should get an automatic 2 and 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 THe thing is, The Wings aren't sending any type of message except, you mess with us and we will fight back. I think if Columbus believes they can intimidate us by physical play after the whistle they just need to go back as early as last (game, really) years playoff run. Nashville, Colorado, Dallas & Pittsburgh were ALL supposed to be grittier and tougher than us, and they ALL tried these antics after the whistle. FYI: IT DOESN'T WORK AGAINST DETROIT!!!! The only problem is someone possibly getting hurt because of it. The refs need to start calling EVERYTHING in front of the net that happens AFTER the whistle. Even if it's us. That is the only way to get this to stop. BEFORE someone gets seriously injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) Don't forget Datsyuk! Datsyuk didn't instigate, he was upset with Verm(in)ette. That was real emotion. I have no problem with that. Same way I don't have a problem with the Calgary players going after Burrish last night either. That was in response to a cross check (almost) to Bourque's face. Anyone of you that's watched enough of the 09 playoffs thus far knows what I mean when referring to the difference between real hockey emotion and all of this other minor hockey-esque posturing garbage that's been going on. Edit: bad english Edited April 21, 2009 by rick zombo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted April 21, 2009 THe thing is, The Wings aren't sending any type of message except, you mess with us and we will fight back. You mean scrum back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motorcitykid 42 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Nothing beats playoff hockey! No sport. Nothing. No matter what the TV ratings say. The playoffs have been great so far and its only round one. I lovvvvveeeee it!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) Here's a message to the BJ's: Edited April 21, 2009 by HOCKEY MATTERS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
