Kesler and Burrows talking trash about Backes' wife

[Vladifan 680]

Vladdy and Yzerman DID do it, and not as a last resort either. I'm quite certain neither of them were "insecure".

Peace out.

esteef

Yo, Esteef:

I'm really enjoying and appreciating the photoshop stuff you're putting on that Wings' thread.

As for Vladdy and Stevie - although I'd like to see evidence that they put down other players' wives/families - it's possible it could have happened. In the heat of battle anything's possible. But personally, I still consider it a last-resort type choice and behavior that's inappropriate and out-of-control. And pretty much shows that the attacker is losing it at the moment.

Peace out backatya.

[ManLuv4Clears 7]

I didn't even waste my time reading through all the posts. This is downright stupid. It's hockey. It's part of the game. It doesn't matter if it's someones personel life or not. It's trash talk, trying to get under one anothers skin, trying take their mind away from the game. ITS HOCKEY. Plain and simple.

Lets just take all trash talking, fighting, checking, hitting everything that is not family friendly and MEAN out of the game. That'll be fun. Maybe we can cover the sticks in pink feathers! Change the game to be more figure skating related! YEAH! So much better!

Do you honestly think this stuff only happens in hockey? Its sports. Its a competition. You mean to tell me that you've never talked trash to someone your competing with? I ran a race last weekend and theres trash talking there among racers. Its human nature, settle down.

Exactley, this is a sport for warriors that have played this way all their lives. Anyone who's played the game can attest to this. If people are really that bent out of shape about simple trash talking maybe this sport on ice is more their flavor:

[esteef 2,679]

Exactley, this is a sport for warriors that have played this way all their lives. Anyone who's played the game can attest to this. If people are really that bent out of shape about simple trash talking maybe this sport on ice is more their flavor:

Tell Ariel I said Hi!

esteef!

[Vladifan 680]

Let me get this straight. Creative stick-work to ones' johnson is more appropriate than asking how an opposing player's wife is doing while leaving the ice?

I repeat -

Not one word was spoken. They were just doing it the right way. NOT taking any s*** from each other and showing it on the ice. Not yapping about it. That was real power. That is playing the game.

Chelios's head was about to be removed. And the ref was standing there watching it all, bemused. And your alternate suggestion is...?

ACTION. Not words. Especially stupid, off-target words. OF COURSE they ride each other verbally. Who gives a crap? Certainly not me.

Maybe I'm not making my point right. "Asking how an opposing player's wife is doing" (yeeeeahh...) comment/question only makes the attacker look cheapshotty and desperate and drags in people who have nothing at all to do with what's going on on the ice.

It is mere words, coming out of desperation.

I'm done responding here because if I haven't made my point by now, it ain't gonna happen.

Meanwhile, GO, WINGS!!!

[skacore 2]

Don't be so pathetic. How come anyone who happens to disagree with you must have "never touched the ice?" I made a legitimate point regarding that I think trash talking is fine but I don't like when players are vulgar towards another person's wife. It is stupid and very narrow minded of you to think that "no one who has ever played hockey could possibly have a problem with vulgar things said about a person's wife." I have a hard time seeing Yzerman or Lids saying such things and think that they probably disapprove of such behavior as well (just my opinion on what they think). It is silly beyond belief for you to think that just because a person believes that certain things are unbecoming that they have never played hockey. Is there much that is a sign of a weak intellectual mind, with no ability to articulate and defend a position than to say "I don't agree with you so rather than defend my point of view I'm going to claim that you have never played hockey."

I have a couple of very specific questions for you to answer. Do you have a problem with them trash talking and bringing race into the thrash talk? Do you think that it is OK to rip on another player about having cancer (a la Blake)? I'd like an answer to those questions, if you think that they are both ok then wow, if however you think that they are inappropriate then "obviously you have never touched the ice in your life." I've got an idea how about you actually defend you position instead of throwing out that pansy answer.

i'm saying it's obvious that someone hasn't played competitive hockey when they are offended by something like this, if you played competitively, you'd understand it's not a big deal, that's really all there is to it, so sure i'm going to point it out

if some bonehead wants to bring RACE into trash talk ON THE ICE then let them who the f*** cares, is the NHL not full of grown men being made millions of dollars to play hockey? if i was black and someone called me a n____ (don't want to cause an uproar, lol), i'f take it as a cry for help and a last ditch effort to try and take me off my game... same deal for cancer, i'm really sure jason blake, who has battled through CANCER, is REALLY going to be rattled when some random nobody like alex burrows tells him "you have cancer!" ... so as far as my answer towards that, there you have it... grown men... professional athletes... been through it their entire life... thick skin... but obviously you wouldn't understand because you've never touched the ice in your life

Edited April 23, 2009 by skacore

[Chairman Maouth 97]

I'm a Canucks fan and could care-less about what Burrows and Kesler say on the ice, as long as they keep it on the ice. Avery crosses a line when he seeks out the media in order to make derogatory comments about players, whereas I have never seen Burrows and Kesler do that. As a matter of fact, they are both highly respectful of the people they play against.

[Johnny Law 15]

As for Vladdy and Stevie - although I'd like to see evidence that they put down other players' wives/families - it's possible it could have happened. In the heat of battle anything's possible. But personally, I still consider it a last-resort type choice and behavior that's inappropriate and out-of-control. And pretty much shows that the attacker is losing it at the moment.

Yzerman was a trash talker for sure, there is a great story about him and Shanny after Avery left the team.

Shanny was a big talker so was Dino.

[kozac 10]

Do you have any where to find this show "The Season"? Im really interested now.

I only saw it once myself and haven't been able to find it since. Although I haven't REALLY looked. There must be a DVD somewhere. A quick google search gave me a torrent for it with 0 seeds...

[Chairman Maouth 97]

[Guest Shoreline]

I'm a Canucks fan and could care-less about what Burrows and Kesler say on the ice, as long as they keep it on the ice. Avery crosses a line when he seeks out the media in order to make derogatory comments about players, whereas I have never seen Burrows and Kesler do that. As a matter of fact, they are both highly respectful of the people they play against.

Indeed.

[Hockeytown_Ryan 122]

Former Red Wing Shawn Burr

[Frozen-Man 144]

i'm saying it's obvious that someone hasn't played competitive hockey when they are offended by something like this, if you played competitively, you'd understand it's not a big deal, that's really all there is to it, so sure i'm going to point it out

if some bonehead wants to bring RACE into trash talk ON THE ICE then let them who the f*** cares, is the NHL not full of grown men being made millions of dollars to play hockey? if i was black and someone called me a n____ (don't want to cause an uproar, lol), i'f take it as a cry for help and a last ditch effort to try and take me off my game... same deal for cancer, i'm really sure jason blake, who has battled through CANCER, is REALLY going to be rattled when some random nobody like alex burrows tells him "you have cancer!" ... so as far as my answer towards that, there you have it... grown men... professional athletes... been through it their entire life... thick skin... but obviously you wouldn't understand because you've never touched the ice in your life

Again another pathetic response from someone who is too big of a pansy to allow anyone to have a differing opinion. If you had the slightest ability to actually comprehend statements you wouldn't type dumb ones like you just did. Since you obviously didn't comprehend my original post (the one that got your panties in a bunch originally) here it is again (with the picture removed):

I don't in any way condone what Kesler or Burrows said - I think it is silly and sad that grown men have to result to such pathetic, juvenile and crass statements especially about another player's wife. Kelly Backes looks like a nice lady and for those guys to have to resort to what they did is pathetic. It is sad that they are so uncouth about her:

She looks like a nice lady and deserves more respect than they showed her.

However, there is a vast difference between what Kesler/Burrows did and what Avery did. Kesler/Burrows were in the game where trash talking occurs all the time and is expected. They were not miked up and their statements were not intended for the media to pick up and run with but rather were inadvertently picked up by the audio equipment. Avery on the other hand went up to the cameras, away from the game, and gave the media (not the other player) a statement intended to incite a media storm (as opposed to privately getting under his skin during the game). It did not happen in the context of the game, was not in game trash talking, and was said specifically (probably - you can never know the true intent) to cause controversy, shock value, and to make himself the center of attention. To equate the setting of the two incidents as similar is the only way to arrive at that very incorrect comparison.

Edit* You beat me to the point Shoreline - but you made the point in a much more succinct and less convoluted statement.

I said in my original post that they were in a game where trash talking occurs all the time and is expected. I guess now I can have stepped onto the ice now. (Although that was a really good come back - here is mine and it is just as mature - I'm rubber you're glue). I acknowledged that it occurs all the time, that it is part of the game, the guys shouldn't be in trouble at all, and that ultimately it is not that big a deal. However, there was a time when men in general showed more respect to women (as an entire gender) then they do now. I find it sad that we as society allow as acceptable behavior for grown men to speak derogatory towards women. I was raised to always say yes ma'am to a woman, to get her chair when she sat down and help her into and out of her jacket, to stand when she leaves the table, always open the door for her, to walk closest to the street when walking down the sidewalk, and to never speak derogatorily about another man's wife. I don't care if you agree with me or not regarding whether women as a whole deserve more respect but again it is pathetic that you think since I disapprove of disparaging remarks being said about someone's wife I have never played hockey.

[Hockeytown_Ryan 122]

Again another pathetic response from someone who is too big of a pansy to allow anyone to have a differing opinion. If you had the slightest ability to actually comprehend statements you wouldn't type dumb ones like you just did. Since you obviously didn't comprehend my original post (the one that got your panties in a bunch originally) here it is again (with the picture removed):

I said in my original post that they were in a game where trash talking occurs all the time and is expected. I guess now I can have stepped onto the ice now. (Although that was a really good come back - here is mine and it is just as mature - I'm rubber you're glue). I acknowledged that it occurs all the time, that it is part of the game, the guys shouldn't be in trouble at all, and that ultimately it is not that big a deal. However, there was a time when men in general showed more respect to women (as an entire gender) then they do now. I find it sad that we as society allow as acceptable behavior for grown men to speak derogatory towards women. I was raised to always say yes ma'am to a woman, to get her chair when she sat down and help her into and out of her jacket, to stand when she leaves the table, always open the door for her, to walk closest to the street when walking down the sidewalk, and to never speak derogatorily about another man's wife. I don't care if you agree with me or not regarding whether women as a whole deserve more respect but again it is pathetic that you think since I disapprove of disparaging remarks being said about someone's wife I have never played hockey.

What ever happend to just Slamming the guy into the boards....that'll shut him up...

[Dabura 12,232]

Much worse stuff than that gets said on the ice by players like Maltby and Chelios (well, vintage Chelios).

I'm pretty sure I've said worse on the ice.

[skacore 2]

Again another pathetic response from someone who is too big of a pansy to allow anyone to have a differing opinion. If you had the slightest ability to actually comprehend statements you wouldn't type dumb ones like you just did. Since you obviously didn't comprehend my original post (the one that got your panties in a bunch originally) here it is again (with the picture removed):

I said in my original post that they were in a game where trash talking occurs all the time and is expected. I guess now I can have stepped onto the ice now. (Although that was a really good come back - here is mine and it is just as mature - I'm rubber you're glue). I acknowledged that it occurs all the time, that it is part of the game, the guys shouldn't be in trouble at all, and that ultimately it is not that big a deal. However, there was a time when men in general showed more respect to women (as an entire gender) then they do now. I find it sad that we as society allow as acceptable behavior for grown men to speak derogatory towards women. I was raised to always say yes ma'am to a woman, to get her chair when she sat down and help her into and out of her jacket, to stand when she leaves the table, always open the door for her, to walk closest to the street when walking down the sidewalk, and to never speak derogatorily about another man's wife. I don't care if you agree with me or not regarding whether women as a whole deserve more respect but again it is pathetic that you think since I disapprove of disparaging remarks being said about someone's wife I have never played hockey.

cool life story but i live in 2009 and understand that nothing said on the ice has any real meaning whatsoever other than saying trying to take your opponent off his game

but again, cool life story

[mjlegend 155]

Raymond

Burr

[Frozen-Man 144]

cool life story but i live in 2009 and understand that nothing said on the ice has any real meaning whatsoever other than saying trying to take your opponent off his game

but again, cool life story

Pathetic retort. Like I said what you do and say is your business, but there is nothing wrong with me disapproving of speech that is demeaning to women. I think that what a person says matters and shows character (which I also think is important) and like Teddy Roosevelt said “Rhetoric is a poor substitute for action.â€

I have repeatedly stated, I don't want the guys suspended, fined, censured, or punished in any way. I'm not asking the league to take any action against the guys and would deeply disapprove if the did. I brought up the rationale for my opinion (i.e. my "life story") because you made the stupid and untrue comment that I had never played hockey. Funny how rather than make a real argument in favor of your position you just rely on 3rd grade insults.

But again, pathetic retort.

[zettie85 106]

My favorite players are Lidstrom, Yzerman, Konstantinov, plus the Russian Five. I cannot imagine one of them resorting to this kind of attack because they never had to. They just played their game to the best of their ability. And if they ever did/do it, I would guess they felt like crap afterwards. They are/were sheer class on every level. They just played their damn game.

I know it goes on all the time. That means absolutely nada to me because again, on so many levels it's still ugly and wrong. I still say that once a player resorts to an attack like that he's already lost the argument. It's like finally saying to an opponent, "Yeah, well so's your mother". I still say that mostly, it shows the attacker's insecurities and fears. Why else resort to it? Why else even go there?

And yeah, I also love(d) watching Mac and Chelios play. But ultimately Mac proved his prowess on the ice and I believe, was a major part of the shift in '97. And I still remember a moment between Chelios and Forsberg. Can't remember whether it was during a playoff game or not. But it happened to the (stage) right side of somebody's net. There was Forsberg trying to take Cheli's head off. And there was Cheli with his stick up between Forsberg's legs, almost lifting him off the ice. Not one word was spoken. They were just doing it the right way. NOT taking any s*** from each other and showing it on the ice. Not yapping about it. That was real power. That is playing the game.

Peace out.

Lids and the Russian 5 have not been involved in this type of stuff because of the language barriers prior to becaomeing more fluent. But they sure as hell were doing it in there own respective languages to guys from their native hpmeland. Yzermn has also been involved in these sorts of trash talking aswell. Ya of course he was classy, but hes human. Everyone who doesnt think he has done done it is very naive.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

Pathetic retort. Like I said what you do and say is your business, but there is nothing wrong with me disapproving of speech that is demeaning to women. I think that what a person says matters and shows character (which I also think is important) and like Teddy Roosevelt said “Rhetoric is a poor substitute for action.â€

I have repeatedly stated, I don't want the guys suspended, fined, censured, or punished in any way. I'm not asking the league to take any action against the guys and would deeply disapprove if the did. I brought up the rationale for my opinion (i.e. my "life story") because you made the stupid and untrue comment that I had never played hockey. Funny how rather than make a real argument in favor of your position you just rely on 3rd grade insults.

But again, pathetic retort.

Aren't American Drill Sergeant's the nastiest trash-talkers in the world? I don't think they draw the line at family.

[zettie85 106]

I only saw it once myself and haven't been able to find it since. Although I haven't REALLY looked. There must be a DVD somewhere. A quick google search gave me a torrent for it with 0 seeds...

haha Thanks.

[skacore 2]

Pathetic retort. Like I said what you do and say is your business, but there is nothing wrong with me disapproving of speech that is demeaning to women. I think that what a person says matters and shows character (which I also think is important) and like Teddy Roosevelt said “Rhetoric is a poor substitute for action.â€

I have repeatedly stated, I don't want the guys suspended, fined, censured, or punished in any way. I'm not asking the league to take any action against the guys and would deeply disapprove if the did. I brought up the rationale for my opinion (i.e. my "life story") because you made the stupid and untrue comment that I had never played hockey. Funny how rather than make a real argument in favor of your position you just rely on 3rd grade insults.

But again, pathetic retort.

i lol at the effort you put into every post

this stuff happens every night by numerous players, this time just happened to be caught on microphone

[Jocke 53]

Raymond

Burr

Raymond

Bourque

AMI doin it rite?

[Frozen-Man 144]

i lol at the effort you put into every post

this stuff happens every night by numerous players, this time just happened to be caught on microphone

Seriously do you comprehend anything that you read. I have repeatedly stated that nothing at all should happen to the guys and one of the reasons was because it was part of the game and was accident. For the truly slow here is what I said again (I'll put it in bold and underline it so maybe you won't miss it):

Kesler/Burrows were in the game where trash talking occurs all the time and is expected. They were not miked up and their statements were not intended for the media to pick up and run with but rather were inadvertently picked up by the audio equipment. Avery on the other hand went up to the cameras, away from the game, and gave the media (not the other player) a statement intended to incite a media storm (as opposed to privately getting under his skin during the game). It did not happen in the context of the game, was not in game trash talking, and was said specifically (probably - you can never know the true intent) to cause controversy, shock value, and to make himself the center of attention.

If you could have paused and read for just a moment you would notice I stated exactly what you said but you would rather just pop off and accuse others of never playing hockey than understand what someone said.

[esteef 2,679]

Case in point: Maltby skates over to a scrum involving Torres and Kopecky, Maltby mouths off (Tell your Mom to stop calling me!, Your wife smells good, etc. and Torres takes a swipe at him. PP Wings = goal.

/Thread.

esteef

[skacore 2]

Seriously do you comprehend anything that you read. I have repeatedly stated that nothing at all should happen to the guys and one of the reasons was because it was part of the game and was accident. For the truly slow here is what I said again (I'll put it in bold and underline it so maybe you won't miss it):

If you could have paused and read for just a moment you would notice I stated exactly what you said but you would rather just pop off and accuse others of never playing hockey than understand what someone said.

glad i changed your mind