Wombat 26 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 You're not allowed to skate and work out with concussion symptoms otherwise Lilly would have been doing so for the last month plus. I've got to think something is broken. Not enough to bother him too much (like he'd let anything bother him) but not healed enough where he can go out there and play. I disagree. Lilja has not been allowed to skate or work out because of a bleeding vein, and not a concussion. I'm under the impression that you can still work out if you have slight concussion symptoms, but can't play until you have a couple days symptom free. I could be wrong though. Just how the pacing of the "he's out for two games" and that they don't know when he'll be back to me looks to be more of a concussion-type injury than a broken bone. There is a lot more guesswork around a concussion than there is any broken bone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) I mentioned in another thread, but I think Drapes is probably fine, his only injury is Darren Helm. Helm's been playing so well centering the 4th line and you know how coaches are, why fix something that isn't broken? Edited April 30, 2009 by ManLuv4Clears Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inultus 12 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Guys he could have a sprained ankle for all we know. Cleary played with a broken hand in the playoffs last season and the games he was out they said his injury was something entirely else. You don't want people targeting his injury when he does come back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 I agree, it doesn't seem like Drapes would have concussion problems. Don't know what that has to do with Lilja though. He never got a concussion. There are two main uses of concussion. One where there is no structural damage to the brain and the symptoms are purely that, symptoms affecting brain function and the other also includes structural damage such as bruising which is nothing more than the pooling of blood which happens how? By bleeding in or around the brain. Concussion, minor traumatic brain injury, intracranial hemorrhages, booboo, whatever you want to call what Lilly has, it falls under the umbrella of what the league refers to as "concussion like symptoms" which limits strenuous physical exertion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Concussion, minor traumatic brain injury, intracranial hemorrhages, booboo, whatever you want to call what Lilly has, it falls under the umbrella of what the league refers to as "concussion like symptoms" which limits strenuous physical exertion. A bleeding vein in your brain is not a symptom of a concussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 A bleeding vein in your brain is not a symptom of a concussion. Exactly right. It's the cause of what is described as a concussion. Bump on the head. Bleeding/bruising in the noodle. Headaches. Congrats you have a concussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Exactly right. It's the cause of what is described as a concussion. Bump on the head. Bleeding/bruising in the noodle. Headaches. Congrats you have a concussion. Actually no. You misunderstand, nn. They one does not always mean the other, as is the case with Lilja. That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Actually no. You misunderstand, nn. They one does not always mean the other, as is the case with Lilja. That is all. No, I understand completely. The word concussion has several different usages by different sorts of people (even within the realm of medicine). Some are a bit more specific and others are a bit more all-encompassing. You're picking nits, and I don't get picked easily. So perhaps the misunderstanding may just be on your end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenrikRules40 14 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Turns out "concussion" only means one thing to doctors. In layman's terms it's a "brain bruise." So yeah...Doggy's right; one doesn't always mean the other. Just because google or wikipedia says something doesn't mean it's 100% true. Conclusion? In my professional opinion, the misunderstanding is on norrisnick's side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Turns out "concussion" only means one thing to doctors. In layman's terms it's a "brain bruise." So yeah...Doggy's right; one doesn't always mean the other. Just because google or wikipedia says something doesn't mean it's 100% true. Conclusion? In my professional opinion, the misunderstanding is on norrisnick's side. And to think you spent 6-7 years in medical school for something you could of learned by google. Will you never learn? Edited April 30, 2009 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Turns out "concussion" only means one thing to doctors. In layman's terms it's a "brain bruise." So yeah...Doggy's right; one doesn't always mean the other. Just because google or wikipedia says something doesn't mean it's 100% true. Conclusion? In my professional opinion, the misunderstanding is on norrisnick's side. Can you define bruise for me, doc? Keep it simple though as I'm not a doctor, and thusly am not bound by any sort of technobabble they might be bound to. Keep in mind I've got another ace in the hole once we get that far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted May 1, 2009 Can you define bruise for me, doc? Keep it simple though as I'm not a doctor, and thusly am not bound by any sort of technobabble they might be bound to. Keep in mind I've got another ace in the hole once we get that far. 1. I thought baiting wasn't allowed. 2. A broken blood vessel is not a slow-leaking blood vein. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat 26 Report post Posted May 1, 2009 Draper's injury keeps everyone guessing This is a Mitch Albom article from today's Free Press. It includes this quote: "As crazy as it sounds, I don't feel any pain. I can do everything that I would normally do, I practice, I skate after practice, I run, I lift, everything. But when it's time to drop the puck, I can't play." If he was in no pain from a broken bone/sprained joint/pulled muscle, I would think he'd be good to go. That's why I'm thinking this has to be a head injury, where he's not "hurt" but has some other side affects that won't go away like headaches, fuzzy eye focus, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted May 1, 2009 1. I thought baiting wasn't allowed. 2. A broken blood vessel is not a slow-leaking blood vein. Not in the sense that I'm trying to get you to freak out in a profanity laced diatribe. But I can dangle a little worm around and see if something bites. Asking pointed questions with expected responses is in a technical sense "baiting" but it's harmless. It's not done in an attempt to destroy the 'harmony' that exists on LGW. How does a vein leak if it isn't broken? Don't forget that a vein is nothing more or less than a blood vessel so there is no difference in those terms. And we already know it's a vein and not an artery that's popped in Lilly's head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
