TSN bashing the officiating

[Guest micah]

And, do you really think the Wings players would make something like this up?

No, I don't think they would make it up. I do think a reporter might make up an overheard statement though.

If there is a Wing (or anyone) who has knowledge that the officials are cheating, they should immediately and loudly share that knowledge with every reporter who will cover the story, be it TSN and ESPN or just Billy-Bill's AM Saskatoon sportstalk. If there is a player who knows this is going on, if they are a good man, they will share that information immediately, for the good of the game. Yes, they risk blacklisting. Yes, they risk making the officials even more biased against their team. Nobody ever said doing the right thing was easy.

[Nightfall 871]

Hey captain obvious... Did I claim the Wings lost because of the refs? No. I'm suggesting that it's very suspicious and points to the Pens gettin' a freebie. Wake up.

It's not everyday the refs get caught in the act.

Since when did I point to you specifically moron?

As for your suspicions, do you have anything to back them up? I mean, you have to have some proof other than a linesman looking at a player on the ice.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Since when did I point to you specifically moron?

As for your suspicions, do you have anything to back them up? I mean, you have to have some proof other than a linesman looking at a player on the ice.

TSN is reporting that Wings players heard the refs yelling 'get of the ice!' on the too many men on the ice NON-call for 25 seconds. Why would you call someone a moron? Pretty petty.

[Nightfall 871]

TSN is reporting that Wings players heard the refs yelling 'get of the ice!' on the too many men on the ice NON-call for 25 seconds. Why would you call someone a moron? Pretty petty.

Why would someone insult me by calling me "captain obvious" when I wasn't pointing to him in specific? I know, two wrongs don't make a right....but still....pretty petty going both ways. I apologize.

So TSN reporting on hearsay is proof?

Edited June 4, 2009 by Nightfall

[OsGOD 3]

Wing persistently obtain away with interaction therefore penguins they make now also. Boring hockey!!! Transmission too many people on the penalty of ice compensates Hossa breaking one of the knobs of penguins in game 2. cause ALL penalties!

Transmission??? thats like $2000+ you mean translation??

lmao i almost choked on this one... Well he had to break Crosby's knob because McGuire was too busy greasing it to understand what he was saying!!

[dicksmack 33]

Since when did I point to you specifically moron?

As for your suspicions, do you have anything to back them up? I mean, you have to have some proof other than a linesman looking at a player on the ice.

You quoted my post. I suppose the Wings players had nothing better to do than to sit around and make up stuff about the refs. It's not like these guys are champions or anything.

When Madoff was originally suspected of fraud--guess what? He initially dismissed the allegations as "conspiracy theories."

[Guest Shoreline]

TSN is reporting that Wings players heard the refs yelling 'get of the ice!' on the too many men on the ice NON-call for 25 seconds. Why would you call someone a moron? Pretty petty.

I don't see this report anywhere on TSN. You also said of some report from ESPN without linking either. Like some backup please.

[Nightfall 871]

You quoted my post. I suppose the Wings players had nothing better to do than to sit around and make up stuff about the refs. It's not like these guys are champions or anything.

When Madoff was originally suspected of fraud--guess what? He initially dismissed the allegations as "conspiracy theories."

I was addressing everyone in general, not you specifically. I apologize for the confusion.

As for your suspicions, there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there from Flight 94 being shot down to the US Government detonating the twin towers. Occam's Razor fits in perfectly in this situation. I suppose you can believe the refs are out to get us if it makes you sleep better at night. Just know if the Wings do lose this series after being up 2-0, the Wings will be the ones to blame. Not the refs or the league.

[Guest Shoreline]

Just know if the Wings do lose this series after being up 2-0, the Wings will be the ones to blame. Not the refs or the league.

Like that would ever happen. Pile of crap conspiracies will be flying up and down this forum.

[WizardofOz 0]

I don't see this report anywhere on TSN. You also said of some report from ESPN without linking either. Like some backup please.

It's in the videos on TSN. There is a link somewhere on the first page.

[Nero 20]

Since when did I point to you specifically moron?

As for your suspicions, do you have anything to back them up? I mean, you have to have some proof other than a linesman looking at a player on the ice.

TSN Video: http://www.tsn.ca/window/oneclip_nhl_playo...html#clip179398

MLive Article: http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/06/i_..._about_the.html

For the record, Mickey Redmond told WDIV's Katrina Hancock that it was "ridiculous" that the linesmen saw the Penguins have too many men for 21 seconds and told the Penguins to get off the ice, allowed Gill to get away with picking a Wing off, and then Ericsson got called, so in Mickey's opinion, the Wings played very well for a thirty-minute period but got "the smelly end of the calls," and as such, he believes that the officiating has to be even on Thursday.

Just in case you're curious, it was reported on MLive first (June 2nd), not TSN (June 3rd). Edited June 4, 2009 by Nero

[MsRedWingFan 0]

The real sad thing is that the best thing for the health of the league is for this to be covered up and let it fade into the sunset. Any conspiracy that implicates the league itself would really set back a lot of progress the sport has seen these last few years.

Here's a question: how many times do refs and linesmen warn players before penalizing an infraction? I know linesmen will yell at a guy to warn him he's offside, and refs are always warning guys in scrums to avoid roughing penalties.

Is it possible, and would anyone be amenable to the refs warning a guy against an infraction that really wasn't affecting his teams offense?

WASN'T affecting the teams offense?? WOW just because they didn't score?? he was in on the play, he was cycling the puck along with the rest of them ... how was that not affecting the teams offense? I could see someone making that argument IF it had only been a few seconds but it was over 20 seconds, probably close to 30 seconds. A warning wasn't enough in that situation. When a player touches the puck with too many men on the ice that is an SUPPOSED to be an AUTOMATIC penalty but I guess seeing as the Instigator penalty was SUPPOSED to be AUTOMATIC TOO ... the NHL doesn't follow those rules when it pertains to the Pens. It is all in HOW the ref's DECIDE to interpret it.

BTW: The Red Wing players were saying that one of the officials was telling one of them to get off the ice instead of giving them a penalty

Edited June 4, 2009 by MsRedWingFan

[MsRedWingFan 0]

You can definately make it harder on one team in a series. Ala starting a finals on 2 days rest (finals being moved up), and then forcing the team with short rest to play back to back. You can rescind automatic suspensions (Yeah I heard the BS explanation, tell me when a player starting a fight IS NOT trying to send a message?). You can give one team more PP's in the series, and the games. You can make calls at certain times, that have been let go all game long etc.... All of which have taken place, and have benefitted one team more than the other.

they may not help the Pens to win but they sure are helping give them a shot ... and losing fans in the process. I for one will not support a corrupt league and know quite a few who are saying they are ready to give up on the league too. Remember Bettman used to work for the NBA " COULD" be where he learned it all from.

[Guest Shoreline]

BTW: The Red Wing players were saying that one of the officials was telling one of them to get off the ice instead of giving them a penalty

Who was? Link? Video? Anything?

[Broken 16 381]

Who was? Link? Video? Anything?

Post 61 has links.

[Guest Shoreline]

Post 61 has links.

TSN suggested the "video evidence" doesn't even favor the claim and it's just gamesmanship.

And the other link is just relaying the Wings bench complaints. Nothing at all yet to suggest this was actually true, the claim that the ref was helping out the Penguins. Still a bunch of conspiracy bulls***.

[FearTheScreen 0]

Wing persistently obtain away with interaction therefore penguins they make now also. Boring hockey!!! Transmission too many people on the penalty of ice compensates Hossa breaking one of the knobs of penguins in game 2. cause ALL penalties!

I dunno what he penalty is for "breaking a knob"( ), but man, that's just wrong. That should be a multiple game misconduct.

At least this guy tried....

[Broken 16 381]

TSN suggested the "video evidence" doesn't even favor the claim and it's just gamesmanship.

And the other link is just relaying the Wings bench complaints. Nothing at all yet to suggest this was actually true, the claim that the ref was helping out the Penguins. Still a bunch of conspiracy bulls***.

Even just the fact that's it alleged is pretty interesting considering its hard to pry anything more that "We need to cut down our turnovers" or "They're a great team, we have to play 60 minutes". The Red Wing players are walking cliche's in the playoffs and rightfully so. To hear Mickey mention it takes it a little closer to reality, imo.

Edited June 4, 2009 by Broken 16

[FearTheScreen 0]

WASN'T affecting the teams offense?? WOW just because they didn't score?? he was in on the play, he was cycling the puck along with the rest of them ... how was that not affecting the teams offense? I could see someone making that argument IF it had only been a few seconds but it was over 20 seconds, probably close to 30 seconds. A warning wasn't enough in that situation. When a player touches the puck with too many men on the ice that is an SUPPOSED to be an AUTOMATIC penalty but I guess seeing as the Instigator penalty was SUPPOSED to be AUTOMATIC TOO ... the NHL doesn't follow those rules when it pertains to the Pens. It is all in HOW the ref's DECIDE to interpret it.

BTW: The Red Wing players were saying that one of the officials was telling one of them to get off the ice instead of giving them a penalty

Although I'm not a huge on the conspiracy theory, I do love the intensity here! Kudos!

There are a couple of good things to be taken form this whole situation:

1) IF the refs were wrong and informed the Pens of their too many men, they will not attempt such blatant preference again, not with millions of eyes watching tonight. With this news and video, along with Colin Campbell doing his best impression of an invertebrate a few days ago, people will be keeping a close eye on things.

2) The Wings lost by one real goal last game, and we came back to lead 2-1 after the Pens scored first in their home arena. The Wings have exposed the weak Pittsburgh D on quite a few occasions, and I expect that with Pasha back, we may see some indecent exposure of how the Pens D is like a sieve (see: Marc-Andre Fleury). We are clearly to better team, regardless of the loss, and regardless of any "conspiracy".

[hooon 1,089]

Yes the wings need to play better, we know this.

But if these allegations are true, and i would not be surprised, then this is simply disgusting and pathetic for the league in general. I wish there could be more exposure seen on this but i doubt we will ever hear anything. What is going to happen is the refs will call the pens for some obvious penalty early in the first when it doesnt matter. After that they will feel that they have assuaged the wings of any wrongdoing and allow the pens to do whatever they want (including cheat) for the rest of the game, while they call the wings for a couple more highly questionable ones.

[FearTheScreen 0]

"Sidney Crosby brough in Billy Guerin and Chris Kunitz to painstakingly go over every shift that Sidney Crosby was on the ice, including those in which Guerin and Kunitz were not"

Oh yea, free screening of Cindy's shifts. Nice! Who wouldn't want that.

How egotistical! I can't believe the TSN reporters said it was because of his "competitive nature". Even if that's true, shouldn't a great hockey player be able to tell what he does wrong from his tapes on his own? Some captain....

[turner781 0]

My God, you guys love to cry but fail to bring up the poor officiating going the other way.

Zetterberg gloves pucks in the crease in games 1 and 2. No penalty shots awarded.

Game 3. Orpik lightly taps Cleary in the back. He falls down as if an earthquake has suddenly hit Western PA. Interference called.

Hypocrisy?

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

My God, you guys love to cry but fail to bring up the poor officiating going the other way.

Zetterberg gloves pucks in the crease in games 1 and 2. No penalty shots awarded.

Game 3. Orpik lightly taps Cleary in the back. He falls down as if an earthquake has suddenly hit Western PA. Interference called.

Hypocrisy?

We have talked about this enough. As stated in the rulebook, it is a delay of game if you touch the puck ON THE ICE in the crease. Osgood is not made of ice. I suppose you think the Pens should have batted it in off Ozzie's back? Well then that would be goaltender interference for whacking him with a stick so the goal would not have counted. He didn't "glove the puck" in game 2. He blocked the puck from going in my falling to the ice. Not illegal. It's called playing defense. Our forwards do that. Yours don't. Nice try.

[Chunkylover 26]

Whoa, there sparky.

Offsides is a lot less of an infraction than too many men on the ice; that's whistled dead immediately if it's an offensive offsides.

This should be the same in EVERY case. Delayed call on defensive (and not waved off, unlike offsides), and called immediately when in possession of the puck.

Too many men should be called every time that it's easily verified. In this case, it was completely and totally obvious, and it should have been called.

It's ridiculous that it wasn't.

Whoa there condescending, I asked a question, I didn't make a statement. I disagree with the non-call, and it's obvious you disagree with the premise I proposed. I would have preferred you directly answered my question but I can interpret your response just as well.

Not only are you dead wrong, because this is a call that is automatic when it is this aggregious. When players are making a change they are supposed to be given 5 feet of leeway. So first off this call is automatic. Second, how could he have not been helping their offense? It sure is easier to keep a puck in the offensive zone with 6 players, and create confusion for the D. Whether the guy played the puck or not is irrelevant. It allowed the Pens to have 4 guys down low forechecking. Creating a 4 on 3 down low in favor of the Pens.

Actually I'm not dead wrong at all. I wasn't equating the two admittedly very different scenarios but was asking if they could be equated. Again you obviously disagree with that premise. Thanks for your response.

WASN'T affecting the teams offense?? WOW just because they didn't score?? he was in on the play, he was cycling the puck along with the rest of them ... how was that not affecting the teams offense? I could see someone making that argument IF it had only been a few seconds but it was over 20 seconds, probably close to 30 seconds. A warning wasn't enough in that situation. When a player touches the puck with too many men on the ice that is an SUPPOSED to be an AUTOMATIC penalty but I guess seeing as the Instigator penalty was SUPPOSED to be AUTOMATIC TOO ... the NHL doesn't follow those rules when it pertains to the Pens. It is all in HOW the ref's DECIDE to interpret it.

BTW: The Red Wing players were saying that one of the officials was telling one of them to get off the ice instead of giving them a penalty

The video on TSN only showed the guy standing by the linesman at the blue line. To all you guys, I agree with you, and if you'd read my posts you'd know that. I just don't believe in a conspiracy and was trying to find a way that the refs might have used to justify their mistake.

My God, you guys love to cry but fail to bring up the poor officiating going the other way.

Zetterberg gloves pucks in the crease in games 1 and 2. No penalty shots awarded.

Game 3. Orpik lightly taps Cleary in the back. He falls down as if an earthquake has suddenly hit Western PA. Interference called.

Hypocrisy?

Another Pittsburgh fan acting like a punk. There is a huge difference between the Zetterberg non-calls and the too-many-men non-call: the referees could not clearly see whether Z's hand was on the puck or not, and the only reason you think it was is because you had the benefit of the announcers pointing your attention to it during the replay, which the refs are not privy to. Pittsburgh really got away with this too-many-men call because two officials were looking directly at him while he stood in the zone and skated to his bench. That is a huge difference.

No one is failing to point out the inconsistency, but this non-call was far more egregious than a hook, a slash, or a hold.

[Guest Shoreline]

Even just the fact that's it alleged is pretty interesting considering its hard to pry anything more that "We need to cut down our turnovers" or "They're a great team, we have to play 60 minutes". The Red Wing players are walking cliche's in the playoffs and rightfully so. To hear Mickey mention it takes it a little closer to reality, imo.

It's not really a cliche. They stopped skating and looked like a dead ass tired team late in the game, and that 3rd goal was the product of that. Mickey mentioning that is nothing exceptional to me. He's a voice and says things how he sees it, which is fine by me, but it's humorous that people actually believe with no real proof that the refs are trying to throw the game in the Pens favor. The Wings flat out beat themselves. It was a rare sight of a horrible 3rd period which cost them the game. Contrary to the rest of the playoffs where they shined in the 3rd. Hopefully the boys have their legs today.