Red Wings / Penguins SCF Series Summary

[bonan78 1]

Both of these guys will show up and make an impact in Game 7 on Friday night. One thing about Sidney Crosby if you look at his track record since he came into the league is he always has a tendency to show up and make an impact at the most crutcial times and the most crutcial games.

Seriously, it's not that hard to spell "crucial"

Try using Firefox, it has a built-in spell-checker.

Oh, BTW, Wings will not lose at home with the Cup in the building.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Both of these guys will show up and make an impact in Game 7 on Friday night. One thing about Sidney Crosby if you look at his track record since he came into the league is he always has a tendency to show up and make an impact at the most crutcial times and the most crutcial games.

Crosby will show up in Game 2, just you wait!

Crosby will show up in Game 3 just you wait!

Crosby will show up in Game 4 just you wait!

What did I tell you, now that Crosby has finally scored, he'll be unstoppable in Game 5!

Lucky break, the Pens didn't show up tonight, but Crosby will show up in Game 6 just you wait!

Both of these guys will show up and make an impact in Game 7!

[87to71 0]

Just like the entire Red Wings *TEAM* (hence why they are called "the machine").

I expect a better effort on Friday night out of the Wings believe me. I know how good they are and how they can just turn it on whenever they want too. I know that the Penguins are most likely going to have to literally rip the Red Wings ******* hearts out of their chest on Friday to win the Cup on their home ice. If any team can do it though the Penguins are that team. Resiliency has been the Penguins story this season time and time again if you had to write a theme for them. They have been counted out time and time again this season and have went from being 10th place in the standings in the Eastern Conference in mid February and not even making the playoffs to one game away from hoisting the Cup. Game 7 I really believe will be an epic classic and has overtime written all over it in my opinion...

[Jon22 0]

Both of these guys will show up and make an impact in Game 7 on Friday night. One thing about Sidney Crosby if you look at his track record since he came into the league is he always has a tendency to show up and make an impact at the most crutcial times and the most crutcial games.

No. They. Won't. If you think the Wings are gonna give Malkin and Crosby space to do anything other than go to the bench when their shift is up, you're wrong. They aren't secrets that Pittsburgh has kept in the locker room until Game 7. The Wings know who the threats are, and they're not going to let them do anything.

While Crosby and Malkin are trying to tackle the task of tying up Zetterberg and Datsyuk, our 4th line will probably once again kill you.

Also, what is "crutcial?" A mix between "critical" and "crucial?"

[mjlegend 155]

Oh, BTW, Wings will not lose at home with the Cup in the building.

Errrm... well, let's just say it'll be much easier without Sykora on the ice.

[87to71 0]

Crosby will show up in Game 2, just you wait!

Crosby will show up in Game 3 just you wait!

Crosby will show up in Game 4 just you wait!

What did I tell you, now that Crosby has finally scored, he'll be unstoppable in Game 5!

Lucky break, the Pens didn't show up tonight, but Crosby will show up in Game 6 just you wait!

Both of these guys will show up and make an impact in Game 7!

Kind of like Marian Hossa is Mr Game 4 and is going to score 2 or 3 goals against the Pens just like he did in Game 4 against the Jackets,Ducks,and Hawks. How did that turn out for you?? Or kind of like once Pavel Datsyuk gets back in the lineup and the Wings have a full 3 days rest there is no way they will lose another game in this series as a lot of Wings fans here on this board said. Sidney Crosby might not be having a great series but he has still made more of an impact in these playoffs for the Penguins then guys like Hossa and Datsyuk have for the Wings. He is still 2nd to Malkin in the playoffs in points and still leads the playoffs with goals as well. The Penguins would not be playing in a game 7 in the Stanley Cup Final right now if it wasnt for Crosby having the great playoff season he has had this far. We will see who makes more of an impact on Friday night. Sid or Maid Marion who has been a total no show this whole series. My money is on Crosby...

[bonan78 1]

Errrm... well, let's just say it'll be much easier without Sykora on the ice.

Who's side are you on here?

[Echolalia 2,961]

Kind of like Marian Hossa is Mr Game 4 and is going to score 2 or 3 goals against the Pens just like he did in Game 4 against the Jackets,Ducks,and Hawks. How did that turn out for you?? Or kind of like once Pavel Datsyuk gets back in the lineup and the Wings have a full 3 days rest there is no way they will lose another game in this series as a lot of Wings fans here on this board said. Sidney Crosby might not be having a great series but he has still made more of an impact in these playoffs for the Penguins then guys like Hossa and Datsyuk have for the Wings. He is still 2nd to Malkin in the playoffs in points and still leads the playoffs with goals as well. The Penguins would not be playing in a game 7 in the Stanley Cup Final right now if it wasnt for Crosby having the great playoff season he has had this far. We will see who makes more of an impact on Friday night. Sid or Maid Marion who has been a total no show this whole series. My money is on Crosby...

Actually Hossa has been more effective against your Pens than Crosby has against Detroit, not to mention he gets paid 1.5M less than Crosby. They both only have 3 points, but Hossa has been more effective defensively (+1), while Crosby has been something of a defensive liability (-3!!). Also, Hossa isn't a captain, nor an alternate captain, so while the Wings do expect more out of him, it looks a lot worse when the boy with the C is drifting through the postseason sitting on the shoulders of his team.

As for Pavel, I don't know if you have been paying attention, but neither of your boys Crosby or Malkin have registered a point since his return, which is unusual, because I couldn't go anywhere online after game 4 without hearing how Crosby and Malkin are officially unstoppable and the Wings are too tired and injured to keep them off the scoresheet anymore. Datsyuk is also at a point per game pace as of right now against the Pens, which is pretty good for someone who is playing on a bum foot (in fact, he's almost caught up with Crosby for points, in 1/3 the amount of games played for the finals). He also generated a handful of scoring chances for the likes of Zetterberg and Cleary in the loss last night, that unfortunately they couldn't capitalize on.

And when it comes down to Game 7, neither Sid nor Hossa are going to get on the scoresheet. Why? Because they've been playing like s*** the entire series and are allowing the other team to out-perform them. But the difference here is Hossa isn't one of two guys the Wings rely on to win games. We would be in the finals regardless of whether Hossa was a wing or not. Crosby is the Pens captain, and like I said earlier, when his team needs him the most, he suddenly disappears from the score sheet.

Edited June 10, 2009 by Echolalia

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

Yea I'm sure the Pens will look at those stats today or tomorrow and say that's it let's not even bother showing up to the Joe on Friday. You're also the same idiot on here that was saying how the Wings were going to close it out in 5 games last week after the series was 2-0, and how the Blackhawks were a more resilient team then the Penguins are and played the Wings a lot tougher then the Penguins have. Let's hear about the Ducks too one more time and how awesome they were and how if they played the Penguins they would have swept them and beat them by 18 goals every game...

ok...so the pens fans are callijng people names and doing persoanl attacks now and our mods are doing nothing?

jeez win or lose i can;t wait for this to be over so the pens fans can crawl back under thier rocks and start watching the steelers again.

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

They got outplayed dude period. The Wings showed up they just got outplayed by the Pens. Why is that so hard for you to admit?? Yea that's right the Wings didnt want to close the series out in Pittsburgh for a second straight season and have Hossa humiliate them by skating with the Cup on Mellon Arena ice. Yea Im sure Babcock told his guys let's not show up until 15 minutes left in the 3rd guys so that we can go back and play a game 7 on Friday night in Detroit where anything can happen. Any Wings fan on here who thinks the Wings didnt want to close out the Pens and get this series over with and think they decided not to just show up as the reason why they lost are in complete denial...

the wings showed up????? hahahah ok. when and if the wings show up the pens can;t win..see game 5. ohhhh...was that the pens showing up then? it has to be. crosby was on fire.

[87to71 0]

Actually Hossa has been more effective against your Pens than Crosby has against Detroit, not to mention he gets paid 1.5M less than Crosby. They both only have 3 points, but Hossa has been more effective defensively (+1), while Crosby has been something of a defensive liability (-3!!). Also, Hossa isn't a captain, nor an alternate captain, so while the Wings do expect more out of him, it looks a lot worse when the boy with the C is drifting through the postseason sitting on the shoulders of his team.

As for Pavel, I don't know if you have been paying attention, but neither of your boys Crosby or Malkin have registered a point since his return, which is unusual, because I couldn't go anywhere online after game 4 without hearing how Crosby and Malkin are officially unstoppable and the Wings are too tired and injured to keep them off the scoresheet anymore. Datsyuk is also at a point per game pace as of right now against the Pens, which is pretty good for someone who is playing on a bum foot (in fact, he's almost caught up with Crosby for points, in 1/3 the amount of games played for the finals). He also generated a handful of scoring chances for the likes of Zetterberg and Cleary in the loss last night, that unfortunately they couldn't capitalize on.

And when it comes down to Game 7, neither Sid nor Hossa are going to get on the scoresheet. Why? Because they've been playing like s*** the entire series and are allowing the other team to out-perform them. But the difference here is Hossa isn't one of two guys the Wings rely on to win games. We would be in the finals regardless of whether Hossa was a wing or not. Crosby is the Pens captain, and like I said earlier, when his team needs him the most, he suddenly disappears from the score sheet.

Crosby has a game winning goal this series as well you forgot to mention something else that Hossa doesnt have...It's okay you can sit there and say that Hossa doesnt need to score or make an impact in this series because when the Wings lose the Cup on Friday night you can point to Maid Marion and his no show this series and not being able to put pucks in the net as a top 3 reason if not the main reason the Red Wings do not win the Cup...

[Cern 0]

Both of these guys will show up and make an impact in Game 7 on Friday night. One thing about Sidney Crosby if you look at his track record since he came into the league is he always has a tendency to show up and make an impact at the most crutcial times and the most crutcial games.

In other words, you're throwing previous games out the window. Which is fine, but that means your analysis of Hossa based on previous games is equally null and void. I can just as easily say he'll show up and make an impact in Game 7 too, what's to prove me wrong if by the same criteria (read: none whatsoever) Crosby and Malkin are apparently going to do the same? Hossa has also been on record these playoffs for multipoint games at crucial times, so what is there separating him?

Edited June 10, 2009 by Cern

[Doc Holiday 0]

Crosby has a game winning goal this series as well you forgot to mention something else that Hossa doesnt have...It's okay you can sit there and say that Hossa doesnt need to score or make an impact in this series because when the Wings lose the Cup on Friday night you can point to Maid Marion and his no show this series and not being able to put pucks in the net as a top 3 reason if not the main reason the Red Wings do not win the Cup...

Oh, so you KNOW the Wings are going to lose game seven?

Are you ******* stupid?

[Echolalia 2,961]

Crosby has a game winning goal this series as well you forgot to mention something else that Hossa doesnt have...It's okay you can sit there and say that Hossa doesnt need to score or make an impact in this series because when the Wings lose the Cup on Friday night you can point to Maid Marion and his no show this series and not being able to put pucks in the net as a top 3 reason if not the main reason the Red Wings do not win the Cup...

One game winning goal in a game that wasn't even close isn't significant. Where was he in Game 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 or 6? Either in the box or on the bench while the rest of his team contributes, or on the ice allowing the Wings to score. There aren't any other options.

It's amazing how you base 90% of your arguments on what you hope to happen, and not so much actual facts.

[87to71 0]

In other words, you're throwing previous games out the window. Which is fine, but that means your analysis of Hossa based on previous games is equally null and void. I can just as easily say he'll show up and make an impact in Game 7 too, what's to prove me wrong if by the same criteria (read: none whatsoever) Crosby and Malkin are apparently going to do the same? Hossa has also been on record these playoffs for multipoint games at crucial times, so what is there separating him?

Ill go on record right now as saying if Hossa doesnt score a goal on Friday night or help set up a goal or two in game 7 the Red Wings will not win Game 7. I think he is a lot more important to the Wings then some of you guys make him out to be. I went on record before this series started and said if Hossa didnot put some pucks in the net the Red Wings would not win this series against the Pens. Maybe if Hossa would have stepped up and had a good Game 4 like he did in the previous series we arent talking about this right now and the Wings are the champs. The fact of the matter is Hossa'a lack of production is a big big reason there is a game 7 going to be played on Friday night. Had he shown up at some point this series and taken over a game much like he did for the Pens last playoff season we arent having this conversation right now I guarantee it...

[Cern 0]

Crosby has a game winning goal this series as well you forgot to mention something else that Hossa doesnt have...It's okay you can sit there and say that Hossa doesnt need to score or make an impact in this series because when the Wings lose the Cup on Friday night you can point to Maid Marion and his no show this series and not being able to put pucks in the net as a top 3 reason if not the main reason the Red Wings do not win the Cup...

The question is, when the top two lines are inevitably going to end up getting ice time against 'defensemen' like Hal 'The 2.5 Million Dollar Pylon' Gill because unlike Game 6 they're in control of who plays against who, how is Detroit going to have trouble putting pucks in the net in the first place?

Edited June 10, 2009 by Cern

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Guess we will find out buddy wont we...This game is going to be an all out war. There will be no blowouts like there were last Saturday in Game 5...

Nobody said it was going to be a blow out. But the only SCF game the Pens have won at the Joe was last year, in triple OT.

The Joe is a really difficult building for them to win in.. whether it be because of the ice, the crowd, or the boards. It's going to be much more difficult for the Penguins than it will for Detroit.

Edited June 10, 2009 by Ms_Hockey

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Crosby has a game winning goal this series as well you forgot to mention something else that Hossa doesnt have...It's okay you can sit there and say that Hossa doesnt need to score or make an impact in this series because when the Wings lose the Cup on Friday night you can point to Maid Marion and his no show this series and not being able to put pucks in the net as a top 3 reason if not the main reason the Red Wings do not win the Cup...

This is where you're just starting to get angry and the logic goes out the window.

One of the main reasons the Red Wings are as good as they are is because they don't NEED their top guys producing like wildfire in order to win. Why? Because they have more depth than any other team in the league. If Hossa wants to sit back and watch the game, he can.. and the Wings can still pull out a win.

[FedorovMan91 1]

I hope the stats prove the Wings with the cup. The picture in front of us now, however, is not that. The statistics is totally meaningless at this point because the ONE GAME will decide all or not.

The fact I realized: Pens is not two men team. I thought they were but JS killed us in Mellon Arena. The Wings should not forget this. Babcock looks to focus on shutting down only Malkin and Crosby but the Wings have to shut down ALL PENGUINS.

The point to go into game 7

1. Score first goal

2. No unnecessary penalty.

3. Forecheck

4. No turnover

The most important thing I think it would be the first goal. We used to trail back the Pens each game but this game, we should score first.

[servo 15]

Im not the one who brought football up if you look above. The one guy said I recommend getting ready for football season. So if you dont want to talk about football I recommend keeping it out of the conversation before accusing me of bringing it up first.

You didn't bring it up, but you certainly were happy to carry the torch!

Since this is the Homer series; may the home team win!

[Theophany 110]

I hope the stats prove the Wings with the cup. The picture in front of us now, however, is not that. The statistics is totally meaningless at this point because the ONE GAME will decide all or not.

The fact I realized: Pens is not two men team. I thought they were but JS killed us in Mellon Arena. The Wings should not forget this. Babcock looks to focus on shutting down only Malkin and Crosby but the Wings have to shut down ALL PENGUINS.

The point to go into game 7

1. Score first goal

2. No unnecessary penalty.

3. Forecheck

4. No turnover

The most important thing I think it would be the first goal. We used to trail back the Pens each game but this game, we should score first.

You don't know anything about psychology if you think that the statistics don't matter going into game 7.

That we're 11-1 in these playoffs at home, outscoring teams that face us in the Joe 43-18 all are relevant stats; they're about this team playing in the venue that we'll be in friday night.

Do you think that when the Ducks played against us in that game 7 that they didn't have the desire to win? Remember, they did something that this Pens team hasn't done: take us to OT in our own building (3 of them, in fact, to give us our only home loss).

It still didn't allow them to win game 7, even with everything being on the line. This Wings team finds ways to win when it matters; that's all you need to know.

It's great to read the media buying into the Pens hype, BTW. That's what happened after game 4 going back to the Joe.

People doubting the Wings right now aren't looking at this series from a logical perspective, even taking emotions into account.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Pens probably won't get PWNED like they did in Game 5. But a loss is still a loss so find a way to cope after Friday's game. I recommend getting ready for football season.

Haha. Pittsburgh fans definitely won't have to feel threatened by Detroit fans once the football season starts. I'm not sure if arena league teams would feel threatened by the Lions.

[dicksmack 33]

I picked the Wings to win this thing in 7. Homer series! The odds are stacked in our favor!

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Kind of like Marian Hossa is Mr Game 4 and is going to score 2 or 3 goals against the Pens just like he did in Game 4 against the Jackets,Ducks,and Hawks. How did that turn out for you?? Or kind of like once Pavel Datsyuk gets back in the lineup and the Wings have a full 3 days rest there is no way they will lose another game in this series as a lot of Wings fans here on this board said. Sidney Crosby might not be having a great series but he has still made more of an impact in these playoffs for the Penguins then guys like Hossa and Datsyuk have for the Wings. He is still 2nd to Malkin in the playoffs in points and still leads the playoffs with goals as well. The Penguins would not be playing in a game 7 in the Stanley Cup Final right now if it wasnt for Crosby having the great playoff season he has had this far. We will see who makes more of an impact on Friday night. Sid or Maid Marion who has been a total no show this whole series. My money is on Crosby...

First off- Datsyuk made a huge impact in game 5. He was the best Red Wing forward on the ice in game 6, I'm not sure if you watched, but he set up half a dozen pretty impressive scoring chances for the Wings (including that awesome break away pass to Cleary) but no one converted on them. It sucks, but to say he hasn't had an impact smacks of someone who doesn't understand the plays their watching on TV.

Crosby has definitely played well in the finals- he did last year too, none of the experts have argued otherwise. He's been managed very nicely, however, by Zetterberg and Lidstrom. If Lidstrom and/or Zetterberg weren't shadowing Crosby's ass all series he'd definitely have more point.

Hossa? Mocking us because he hasn't shown up in the playoffs really doesn't hurt Wings fans like you seem to think it does. We're not the ones who mortgaged a chunk of our future away to get Hossa. You did. We didn't trade two roster players, a talented forward prospect just drafted in the 1st round AND a 1st round draft pick to get him. He signed here as a free agent. You're the ones who sold the farm to get him and still came up short. The Wings simply signed him to a one year contract as a free agent in the offseason.

You're lucky the Hossa who showed up for these finals isn't the one who showed up for you guys last year. Last year Babcock called him the most dangerous Penguin on the ice. Hossa was the biggest threat we faced last year. This year he didn't show up. It sucks, but the Wings won last year without him. I'm really hoping Hossa has an amazing game tomorrow- he's been great in turning point games so far (until this series). But the situation really isn't the same for us. Hossa cost the Wings organization nothing. Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen are the go-to guys for us tomorrow. If Hossa can pot a goal or two the Wings have you by the nuts. But still haven't trailed in this series, slumping Hossa or not.

Keep mocking Hossa's disappearance, he deserves it so far. But now you know why your insults haven't stung like you hoped they would.

[soonboomer 31]

First off- Datsyuk made a huge impact in game 5. He was the best Red Wing forward on the ice in game 6, I'm not sure if you watched, but he set up half a dozen pretty impressive scoring chances for the Wings (including that awesome break away pass to Cleary) but no one converted on them. It sucks, but to say he hasn't had an impact smacks of someone who doesn't understand the plays their watching on TV.

Crosby has definitely played well in the finals- he did last year too, none of the experts have argued otherwise. He's been managed very nicely, however, by Zetterberg and Lidstrom. If Lidstrom and/or Zetterberg weren't shadowing Crosby's ass all series he'd definitely have more point.

Hossa? Mocking us because he hasn't shown up in the playoffs really doesn't hurt Wings fans like you seem to think it does. We're not the ones who mortgaged a chunk of our future away to get Hossa. You did. We didn't trade two roster players, a talented forward prospect just drafted in the 1st round AND a 1st round draft pick to get him. He signed here as a free agent. You're the ones who sold the farm to get him and still came up short. The Wings simply signed him to a one year contract as a free agent in the offseason.

You're lucky the Hossa who showed up for these finals isn't the one who showed up for you guys last year. Last year Babcock called him the most dangerous Penguin on the ice. Hossa was the biggest threat we faced last year. This year he didn't show up. It sucks, but the Wings won last year without him. I'm really hoping Hossa has an amazing game tomorrow- he's been great in turning point games so far (until this series). But the situation really isn't the same for us. Hossa cost the Wings organization nothing. Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen are the go-to guys for us tomorrow. If Hossa can pot a goal or two the Wings have you by the nuts. But still haven't trailed in this series, slumping Hossa or not.

Keep mocking Hossa's disappearance, he deserves it so far. But now you know why your insults haven't stung like you hoped they would.

I usually agree with most everything you post, but 15 points in 22 games and playing defense the way he has the majority of the time is hardly "not showing up". If Hossa hasn't shown up, what would you have to say about Hudler and Holmstrom? (This is all in a relative sense......I'm not bashing either of those two)