Guest Four Report post Posted June 14, 2009 A lot of people on this board are searching for new players to overtake some of our "weak links", filling the gap somehow with new superstars. Our team already, is filled with superstars and if you want more superstars then our depth would be gone. To me, superstars are not the answer, we have enough in Hank, Pasha, Lidstrom, Raffi, and our up-and-coming stars to worry about signing the next Hossa. We need greater role players that will help give us the energy to keep competing in the playoffs, we need the players who can get big hits and get assists, not score. We have a lot of veteran players, but now we need the energy and thrive to get us to the end. Having all goal scorers doesn't always end well. Discuss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vilmer 0 Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Dallas Drake was that piece. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted June 14, 2009 We need a few players like drake though, that are also less aged. There a few people on are team we could trade for these fit-ins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 A lot of people on this board are searching for new players to overtake some of our "weak links", filling the gap somehow with new superstars. Our team already, is filled with superstars and if you want more superstars then our depth would be gone. To me, superstars are not the answer, we have enough in Hank, Pasha, Lidstrom, Raffi, and our up-and-coming stars to worry about signing the next Hossa. We need greater role players that will help give us the energy to keep competing in the playoffs, we need the players who can get big hits and get assists, not score. We have a lot of veteran players, but now we need the energy and thrive to get us to the end. Having all goal scorers doesn't always end well. Discuss. Darren Helm. Justin Abdelkader. Star power failed us, in my honest opinion. One goal in the last two games of the finals is huge. The role guys did their job, so I don't see how improving guys of that caliber could have helped us this year. That said, I would love to get another fighter on the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Considering how poorly our stars played for most of the playoffs, with the notable exception of Z and at times Mule, I would have to say bring on the role-players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Darren Helm. Justin Abdelkader. Star power failed us, in my honest opinion. One goal in the last two games of the finals is huge. The role guys did their job, so I don't see how improving guys of that caliber could have helped us this year. That said, I would love to get another fighter on the team. These players however, are not in their primes and will not be able to help as sufficiently in the offensive zone. A role player who has passes and playmaking skills would easily benefit Hank, Franzen, Filp, Dats and others. We need that extra man who is more concerned with making passes than skating down and shooting from the blueline (Hossa) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lazerbeam 13 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THE FACTS i MUST POST THIS INFO--- Unrestricted Free-Agents: F- M.Hossa F- T.Kopecky F- M.Samuelson D- C.Chelios G- T.Conklin Restricted Free-Agents: F- J.Hudler F- V.Leino Important Notes: Goalie Jimmy Howard CANNOT be sent back to the minors, so the Wings must either keep him, Trade him or Waive him. Should be on the roster full time next season: F- D.Helm D- J.Ericson F- J.Abdelkader F- V.Leino (if re-signed) Let the talks begin... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Which is why I'd like to see Hudler/Sammy/Maltby replaced by Chris Neil/Helm/Abdelkader...Hossa is another whole topic for discussion Maltby counts as a pylon at this point. Anyone would be an upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Why does every single thread right now have something to do with getting rid of Hossa or keeping Hossa? Basically the entire site is in two camps all surrounding Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Maltby counts as a pylon at this point. Anyone would be an upgrade. Including your favorite player Downey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Including your favorite player Downey? You act like I don't like the guy. I like Downey a lot. And yes he would be an upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) Why does every single thread right now have something to do with getting rid of Hossa or keeping Hossa? Basically the entire site is in two camps all surrounding Hossa. It's not just surrounding Hossa, you're just taking it out of context. Is Hossa one of the reasons? Yes. But what about the others who didn't produce? Datsyuk, Hank, Franzen, Filpulla, Holmstrom, Hudler, and the list goes on. We need some role players that can make an impact in our system, without needing to score the big goals because that is what we pay our star players to do. Talbot for example, isn't known for his scoring ability, and is generally used for other things, yet scores 3 goals when it counts. Another would be Helm, plays physical and scores when it counted. We need more players like this that don't need to score, but can still attribute to the scoreboard and play their own personal role. A team full of shooters causes breakdowns. Edited June 15, 2009 by Four Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Including your favorite player Downey? I'm taking Downey over Malts any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THE FACTS i MUST POST THIS INFO--- Unrestricted Free-Agents: F- M.Hossa F- T.Kopecky F- M.Samuelson D- C.Chelios G- T.Conklin Restricted Free-Agents: F- J.Hudler F- V.Leino Important Notes: Goalie Jimmy Howard CANNOT be sent back to the minors, so the Wings must either keep him, Trade him or Waive him. Should be on the roster full time next season: F- D.Helm D- J.Ericson F- J.Abdelkader F- V.Leino (if re-signed) Let the talks begin... I don't think you are going to see Abdelkader full time just yet. He will probably be a primary call up, but I assume they will want him to play more minutes in Grand Rapids for one more year. Leino may be iffy, depending on who signs and who doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 A lot of people on this board are searching for new players to overtake some of our "weak links", filling the gap somehow with new superstars. Our team already, is filled with superstars and if you want more superstars then our depth would be gone. To me, superstars are not the answer, we have enough in Hank, Pasha, Lidstrom, Raffi, and our up-and-coming stars to worry about signing the next Hossa. We need greater role players that will help give us the energy to keep competing in the playoffs, we need the players who can get big hits and get assists, not score. We have a lot of veteran players, but now we need the energy and thrive to get us to the end. Having all goal scorers doesn't always end well. Discuss. Good post. To win the Stanley Cup, you have to be team oriented, know your roles, and execute your roles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lazerbeam 13 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 It's not just surrounding Hossa, you're just taking it out of context. Is Hossa one of the reasons? Yes. But what about the others who didn't produce? Datsyuk, Hank, Franzen, Filpulla, Holmstrom, Hudler, and the list goes on. We need some role players that can make an impact in our system, without needing to score the big goals because that is what we pay our star players to do. Talbot for example, isn't known for his scoring ability, and is generally used for other things, yet scores 3 goals when it counts. Another would be Helm, plays physical and scores when it counted. We need more players like this that don't need to score, but can still attribute to the scoreboard and play their own personal role. A team full of shooters causes breakdowns. WTF?? what are you smoking? DIDNT PRODUCE? (see players in bold), are you only refering to the final game 7?? or the entire playoffs?? if its the entire playofffs, you dont know what the F*ck your saying! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 You act like I don't like the guy. I like Downey a lot. And yes he would be an upgrade. You wanting Downey in the lineup is the best argument I can think of for why he should be playing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 The Wings players need more defined roles. The whole everyone playing with everyone, and everyone playing in every situition was one of the big reasons the chemistry never clicked, and everyone got tired. The defensive game is important, but then why do the Wings spend 22 million of a 56 million cap on 4 defensemen? And if the Wings have two of the best penalty killers in Datsyuk and Zetterberg, why is the PK so bad? I think Babcock needs to let the goal scorers score some goals, and let the 3rd and 4th liners kill the penalties. I love Maltby and Homer, but their very slow, and the Wings 4th line isn't a shut-down line, a speed line, or a grind line. It's just two 35 somethings and some 500,000 a year filler. Wings need some big guys in the line-up, younger versions of what they have now. The powerplay was also pretty terrible in the finals. The Wings take way too many shots from the point and hope they go in. How many times in the regular season did we see Lidstrom and Rafa draw the defender in then Datysuk or Hossa snap a goal in? Happened all the time. Getting rid of Sammy on the PP is a start, but in the overall scheme of things, Franzen, Datsyuk and Zetterberg should be thinking of one thing, scoring and making plays. I think the whole defensive game is getting into their heads a little bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 You wanting Downey in the lineup is the best argument I can think of for why he should be playing. Well I'm such an accredited source... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Abdelkader will spend more time in the AHL and Kopecky will be resigned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 I can't wait to see Darren Helm next season - he is such a little wrecking ball, but has the hands to go with it. I think we are all going to be very pleased with his progression next season. As for other guys, I would love to see Hudler on the team next year again. He adds some scoring depth, great hands, and it seems like he has a great rep. in the locker room - something that shouldn't be ignored. Sammy can go as far as I am concerned. I was never on the bandwagon to run the guy out of town, in fact I think he was pretty valuable this season - but we have enough guys who can put the puck in the net. We need a new crop of the grind line, which should be built around Helm. Maybe Abdlekader can play on the wing with him, but another high energy BIG body would be awesome to round out a third line. I am not talking an enforcer, just a big body that wont back down. Max Talbot is the perfect example of the kind of guy we need. Travis Moen is a UFA...any thoughts on him? I remember him being a ***** to play against in '07 with the Ducks, and he is still only 27 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Abdelkader will spend more time in the AHL and Kopecky will be resigned. That'd be a huge mistake, Kopecky is damaged goods, can barely stay on his feet, cant fight anymore. Abby would be very valuable at NHL level. Hes tough, good hands, finishes checks, forechecks. Much rather have him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 That'd be a huge mistake, Kopecky is damaged goods, can barely stay on his feet, cant fight anymore. Abby would be very valuable at NHL level. Hes tough, good hands, finishes checks, forechecks. Much rather have him. Anymore? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Anymore? I heard he could put a lickin on his little brother back in highschool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Anymore? Patrick Sharp laughs at that comment. Naw, seriously, he never could, but seeing as his face was broken due to a fight I thought it'd be appropriate to say thats over with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
