Kane gets away with it

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

I am disappoint he didn't get more then just apologize.

[Broken 16 381]

Well - 1st off both acts are illegal (at least where I live prostitution is illegal).

2nd - I wouldn't say either is black/white pertaining to the repercussions of their actions; look at all the politicians with their scandals/women on the side. In quite a few cases their promiscuity has wrecked their marriage, and career. Tie Domi would fall into this category - although I believe he was retired before his infidelity made the headlines.

Guess what I'm getting at is I've lost respect for both Kane, and Hudler...To me neither 1 is an angel.

The two acts aren't even in the same ballpark.

Why would you lose respect for a young, rich SINGLE dude throwing around money? Maybe Hudler doesn't want a relationship with anybody. What's he supposed to do? Play the skin flute till he's ready to commit?

Comparing that to slapping around a cabbie over $0.20 is like comparing daisies to battleships.

Kane is a moron. Hudler is just a rich dude having fun.

Edited August 30, 2009 by Broken 16

[Electrophile 3,554]

Well - 1st off both acts are illegal (at least where I live prostitution is illegal).

2nd - I wouldn't say either is black/white pertaining to the repercussions of their actions; look at all the politicians with their scandals/women on the side. In quite a few cases their promiscuity has wrecked their marriage, and career. Tie Domi would fall into this category - although I believe he was retired before his infidelity made the headlines.

Guess what I'm getting at is I've lost respect for both Kane, and Hudler...To me neither 1 is an angel.

Prostitution should be legalized. As George Carlin put it, "Selling is legal. F*cking is legal. Why isn't selling f*cking legal?" Tax it, regulate it like they do in Amsterdam and everywhere in Nevada but Vegas and then let consenting adults who want to pay for sex do it and be done with it.

Anyway, Hudler had sex with a woman and paid for it. Whoop-de-doo. Most men "pay" for sex anyway, through one means or another. Patrick Kane got drunk, went in public while drunk (thereby creating a hazard for anyone who crossed his path), got into a taxi cab and beat up an old man (I heard he's about 60) over TWENTY CENTS. That is nowhere near the vicinity of paying for some vajayjay. The woman who Hudler paid consented to the act. Do you think the cabbie consented to getting beat up by some spoiled little snot puke over less than a quarter?

Yeah, so don't compare Hudler and Kane. Who knows what legality prostitution has where he is......assault is always illegal.

[Broken 16 381]

Who IMO is also a moron.

Maybe so... but he's not a criminal like Kane.

[LidsFan 68]

I just love the double standard of our judicial system. As long as you are some kind of a celebrity you do not have to worry about the consequences of your actions. What is the point of having laws, if not everyone has to abide by them?

What did Kane learn from this experience? he learned that he can do whatever he wants and it will not have any effect on his life in anyway. He sure is a great role model isn't he?

If he was a real man he would of publicly admitted what he did was wrong and apologized to the cab driver, and he should of given some sort of restitution to the poor man.

It is nice to know that Kane has no morals or respect for his elders.

[Broken 16 381]

If prostitution is legal where he was at - then no crime was committed...However that wouldn't be so in most parts of this country, or Canada.

Either way - I'm of the opinion that cheating on your girlfriend/wife doesn't say much for a mans' character, and it can have negative repercussions with the home life/personal lives of others which in a indirect way can affect your performance on the job.....Then there's the Ilitch family

You're pretty quick to judge someone you don't even know. You have no idea of the details of Hudler's relationship with anybody. Are you basing your judgment on that one article that was translated into near jibberish? Hehe.

[Electrophile 3,554]

If prostitution is legal where he was at - then no crime was committed...However that wouldn't be so in most parts of this country, or Canada.

Either way - I'm of the opinion that cheating on your girlfriend/wife doesn't say much for a mans' character, and it can have negative repercussions with the home life/personal lives of others which in a indirect way can affect your performance on the job.....Then there's the Ilitch family

I'm not disagreeing with you insofar as if Hudler was cheating or just seeing a hooker and what that says about his character. My whole point (that got dragged from that thread to this one) was that what goes on in a player's private life (i.e., their sex life) is none of our business. It is not meant for public consumption. Hudler could be having threesomes with hookers and donkeys for all I care. What he does with his genitals is none of our concern.

Patrick Kane got drunk and beat up an older man in his taxi cab over less than a quarter's worth of money. That's not his private life on display. He chose to get drunk, he chose to go out in public while drunk, he chose to beat up a guy over twenty cents in change. Patronizing a hooker is not illegal everywhere. Beating someone up while drunk off your ass is, however. That's the difference between the two, at least from my perspective and where I'm sitting.

I can understand if you don't see a difference morals-wise between the two. However legally.....big difference. Even if what Hudler did was illegal. Prostitution is a victimless crime. Assault isn't.

[Redline 0]

He should of been caned.

[Electrophile 3,554]

I hear ya .....What I don't get is how some will bash Kane (which IMHO he deserves it for his assault on the cabbie) while they see nothing wrong, or just laugh off Hudlers personal life (although who am I to tell somebody how to live).....Maybe I'm looking into this too much?

Probably because they don't see the two crimes as being on an equal level. Also, maybe some of them have had sex with a hooker before and don't want to judge Hudler for it because they'll then be judging themselves. If they've never beaten anyone up while drunk, it's easier then to say "Hey, Jiri is just a rich guy having a good time but Kane is an *******." Or maybe they just think someone's peccadilloes are no one's business and since no one got hurt, it doesn't matter.

Just theorizing here, nothing concrete.

[Broken 16 381]

Probably because they don't see the two crimes as being on an equal level. Also, maybe some of them have had sex with a hooker before and don't want to judge Hudler for it because they'll then be judging themselves. If they've never beaten anyone up while drunk, it's easier then to say "Hey, Jiri is just a rich guy having a good time but Kane is an *******." Or maybe they just think someone's peccadilloes are no one's business and since no one got hurt, it doesn't matter.

Just theorizing here, nothing concrete.

That pretty much sums it up...

[truebladearmy 33]

hmmmm your thoughts?

Chicago Blackhawks forward Patrick Kane pleaded guilty Thursday to a non-criminal charge of disorderly conduct and was ordered to apologize to a Buffalo cab driver over a fare dispute.

Kane, 20, and his cousin, James Kane, 21, were given conditional discharges, meaning they will avoid any penalties if they stay out of trouble for a year and apologize to cabbie Jan Radecki.

"Obviously I want to apologize to my family, the city of Buffalo, my team, the whole Blackhawks organization, obviously all the fans out there, my fans especially, just for being in a regrettable situation," Kane said. "But it's behind me. It's time to move on."

Kane was accompanied to the courthouse by his parents.

In court, defense lawyer Paul Cambria said Kane is a law-abiding person and an outstanding athlete.

"He desires to be a tremendous role model and I believe that he is," Cambria said.

Kane is a rich punk. Anyone else without millions and fame to his name, would not have gotten off so easily.

I spent two years in juvenile for SPRAYPAINT, yet this guy attacks a cab driver over 80 cents, and is let go?

Way to reinforce law, America.

It just goes to prove that law is lopsided. Might as well start the "OJ chants" for this issue.

By law, any normal mofo (That being you or I), would have served some time in this situation. Average sentence for your basic assualt and battery is 2-5 years. Unless, of course, you're rich....

I'm kind of glad he'll be playing again. But NO way in hell he should have gotten off that easy.

No way in hell.

Lucky rich f***.

[truebladearmy 33]

Probably because they don't see the two crimes as being on an equal level. Also, maybe some of them have had sex with a hooker before and don't want to judge Hudler for it because they'll then be judging themselves. If they've never beaten anyone up while drunk, it's easier then to say "Hey, Jiri is just a rich guy having a good time but Kane is an *******." Or maybe they just think someone's peccadilloes are no one's business and since no one got hurt, it doesn't matter.

Just theorizing here, nothing concrete.

So Hulder bought a prostitute, in a country where it's legal to do so...and that is somehow being compared to Kane attacking a cabbie?

Morally, you might consider it wrong. Legally, so what. Hudler wanted to get laid, bought a prostitute...s*** happens. If a friend of mine went off and cheated on his wife, and then the next day attacked me over 80 cents....guess which one of those two would anger me more?

Hudler Bought a hooker. big F'ing deal.

Kane assault some guy. Far more drastic. Far more wrong.

I couldn't give a damn less what NHL players sleep with whom, or pay for whom. Buying a hooker doesn't exactly smash someone's face in. Big difference.

To compare the two, is an issue of morality. not legality. If I go buy a hooker tonight, guess what....I bet you're life won't change at all. If I get into your car and beat your ass, I bet you're life will change

Morality, is not a very solid director of law.

[Broken 16 381]

Kane is a rich punk. Anyone else without millions and fame to his name, would not have gotten off so easily.

I spent two years in juvenile for SPRAYPAINT, yet this guy attacks a cab driver over 80 cents, and is let go?

Way to reinforce law, America.

It just goes to prove that law is lopsided. Might as well start the "OJ chants" for this issue.

By law, any normal mofo (That being you or I), would have served some time in this situation. Average sentence for your basic assualt and battery is 2-5 years. Unless, of course, you're rich....

I'm kind of glad he'll be playing again. But NO way in hell he should have gotten off that easy.

No way in hell.

Lucky rich f***.

Exaggeration... A first time offender wouldn't see a lick of jail time over an incident like that. No way in hell. Is Kane getting special treatment for being a celebrity? Yes. But to imply that everyone else on the planet would get a one way ticket to jail is just plain false.

Kane is gonna pay eventually. He is going to be taunted and berated in every opposing arena. Maybe for the rest of his career.

Kane's pain hasn't really begun yet.

[55fan 5,133]

So Hulder bought a prostitute, in a country where it's legal to do so...and that is somehow being compared to Kane attacking a cabbie?

Morally, you might consider it wrong. Legally, so what. Hudler wanted to get laid, bought a prostitute...s*** happens. If a friend of mine went off and cheated on his wife, and then the next day attacked me over 80 cents....guess which one of those two would anger me more?

Hudler Bought a hooker. big F'ing deal.

Kane assault some guy. Far more drastic. Far more wrong.

I couldn't give a damn less what NHL players sleep with whom, or pay for whom. Buying a hooker doesn't exactly smash someone's face in. Big difference.

To compare the two, is an issue of morality. not legality. If I go buy a hooker tonight, guess what....I bet you're life won't change at all. If I get into your car and beat your ass, I bet you're life will change

Morality, is not a very solid director of law.

Actually, if you go out and beat a cab driver, my life won't change either. To draw a true parallel, if you are going to draw me (that is the reader of the post, not me personally) into the analogy, I need to be in both.

The same holds for your analogy of whether you would be more angry about your friend being with a prostitute or beating you up. You are only involved in one scenario. If your choice was between the guy cheating on his wife or beating someone else, it wouldn't effect you either way.

Personally, I'd rather get a punch and have my (hypothetical) glasses broken than get cheated on, but that's just me. Bruises heal. Trust is destroyed forever.

If you go out, sleep around and get AIDS or another STD, I won't be involved. That's between you and your wife. If you rent a cab and beat the driver, that's between you and him.

I'm not going to get down on Hudler. He's doing what some guys do. So is Kane. Some guys rent hookers; some get violent for little or no reason. I don't agree with either, but I probably do things that they don't agree with.

I think people are more likely to bash Kane since more people are prone to sex than violence.

[Holmstrom96 347]

Aren't you... forgetting someone Patrick? Ay dios mio.

LMFAO. My thoughts exactly.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Personally I dont know all the details about what Kane did to the cab but from what I saw I would hardly call it beating him up. Obviously I may be missing some information but I wasn't implying it's normal for 20 year olds to go beating ppl up. I was saying that this is the type of mischief that a lot of 20 year olds get into. For you to say that you are respectful to all people, especially adults is fine, but you can't sit there and tell me there has never been a situation where you weren't, especially while drinking. Obviously I'm not saying EVERY 20 year old goes out and gets wasted and causes s***, but there certainly are a lot of ppl who do. Now imagine how much more easy it would be to get into that type of trouble when you have the amount of money Kane does. Most 20 year olds maybe have a grand in the bank. This kid has hundreds of thousands, if not more, and it's a big, sudden adjustment he has to make. I'm not making excuses for the guy but I can understand how things like that can happen. At the end of the day it's only news because he is famous. This sort of thing happens way more than ppl acknowledge. It's only because Kane is famous that ppl get up on their high horse and try to make an example out of him. Personally, I think he made a mistake and hopefully he has the right ppl around him to guide him beyond this.

Bulls***. The 60 year old ended up with bruises and broken glasses. There is no excuse for his behavior. It wasn't a "mistake". The kid should have been punished. Where are his parents? Every 20 year old that hits a 60 year old should be punished. It has nothing to do with making an example out of him.

What is this world coming to?

[chrisdetroit 189]

Actually, if you go out and beat a cab driver, my life won't change either. To draw a true parallel, if you are going to draw me (that is the reader of the post, not me personally) into the analogy, I need to be in both.

The same holds for your analogy of whether you would be more angry about your friend being with a prostitute or beating you up. You are only involved in one scenario. If your choice was between the guy cheating on his wife or beating someone else, it wouldn't effect you either way.

Personally, I'd rather get a punch and have my (hypothetical) glasses broken than get cheated on, but that's just me. Bruises heal. Trust is destroyed forever.

If you go out, sleep around and get AIDS or another STD, I won't be involved. That's between you and your wife. If you rent a cab and beat the driver, that's between you and him.

I'm not going to get down on Hudler. He's doing what some guys do. So is Kane. Some guys rent hookers; some get violent for little or no reason. I don't agree with either, but I probably do things that they don't agree with.

I think people are more likely to bash Kane since more people are prone to sex than violence.

Prostitition is a "victimless crime" - Nobody gets hurt. Assault is not. There is no comparison.

[Holmstrom96 347]

Prostitition is a "victimless crime" - Nobody gets hurt. Assault is not. There is no comparison.

True.

[55fan 5,133]

Prostitition is a "victimless crime" - Nobody gets hurt. Assault is not. There is no comparison.

Point was that the person I was replying to was comparing someone renting a hooker to someone beating me up. (Not me personally, but the person reading the post.)

Here's the quote:

If I go buy a hooker tonight, guess what....I bet you're life won't change at all. If I get into your car and beat your ass, I bet you're life will change

No, my life won't change if Hudler rents hookers. Nor will it change if Kane beats up another cabbie.

Fortunately, what changes my life is of no importance.

I have to ask people who talk about prostitution being a victimless crime: How many hookers do you know really well? How many former hookers? It's not all fun and games. Some may do it because they like it, but I'm betting you that most don't. There are some nasty pimps out there. Some women don't have a choice, or are made to feel that they don't. It's not a pretty life.

[Broken 16 381]

Spot on.

Not really. Prostitution is still a victimless crime. The hookers ARE NOT victims. That's ridiculous. Maybe victims of their own choices and decisions. But that's it.

[Broken 16 381]

Do you personally know any of these sorts of people (women in particular)?...I've come in contact with quite a few of these women in my profession; lets just say they're not all smiles, and sunshine.

Which has exactly WHAT to do with the topic at hand? If hookers are victims, then it's a result of what goes on between them and their pimp AFTER they are with their client. Getting handed money after they perform sexual favors DOES NOT make them a victim. Beyond that, anything that happens has nothing to do with the client (ie. Hudler).

Stop mixing circumstances to make a point.

Now, if Hudler tried to short the hooker of $0.20 and hit her after she called him on it...

Then we could compare.

Edited August 31, 2009 by Broken 16

[Broken 16 381]

My point was that some women are coerced (in quite a few cases they were forced) into prostitution by the way of an abusive relationship (family member/boyfriend/etc).

IMO in those particular situations these women are victims.

Your previous statement pertaining to prostitution is a victimless crime is something I simply don't agree with.

Again... none of that has anything to do with Hudler, Kane, the cabbie, the two hookers that Hudler was seen with.

If you want to start a thread about the injustices of being a hooker, then would happily agree that SOME are victims in some way shape or form.

Please enlighten me on how some common street trash hooker with a nasty pimp and a nasty drug habit warrants any kind of comparison between Hudler and Kane. Please.

Edited August 31, 2009 by Broken 16

[Broken 16 381]

Furthermore... the act of hiring a prostitute and engaging in sexual activity with her is a victimless crime. The act of a pimp holding a woman at gunpoint and forcing her to be a hooker is a completely seperate crime between two different parties. Period.

[Electrophile 3,554]

I normally don't agree with him, but Broken 16 is right here. The very idea of prostitution is on its face, victimless. Woman wants money, man wants sex, man gets laid, woman gets paid. She leaves the car/motel room, transaction over.

Where the act of prostitution no longer becomes victimless is when the woman is assaulted by a john or her pimp, if she is forced into it by a husband/boyfriend/family member, if she is raped rather than a willing participant.....those acts change everything. However, I have watched quite a few documentaries/programs about prostitution and prostitutes and most of them were dancers who found they could make more money quicker by going to the stroll. One program talked about the prostitutes outside the casinos in Atlantic City and how a lot of them can make thousands of dollars a client. To a woman who maybe doesn't have a high school diploma and therefore can't even get a job working the Fry-o-Lator at McDonalds, that kind of money is more than tempting.

So prostitution is not always victimless. Let's qualify it that way. Assault is NEVER victimless.