edicius 3,269 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 As much as I want this to be a dirty hit... as I do not like Phaneuf. It is not. Exactly what I was thinking. That was just a good, clean hockey hit that had an flukey, unfortunate result for Okposo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lnvincible Report post Posted September 18, 2009 Does anyone think that the Olympics may have something to do with the intensity of the preseason? Or is that idea too far out there? Phaneuf would be playing for a spot on Canada if I'm not mistaken... (and I could be, I haven't kept up with the olympic camp) As much as it was clean i didn't like the hit AT ALL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kidish 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 This sums up exactly the sentiment most fans share today: "If you're going to do that, at least respond to the challengers after that," said Biron. "I've never seen Scott Stevens back down to a fight after he hit a guy on the blue-line coming across. If you're going to play that way, then be the whole package and play that way, and that's where we had a big problem with that." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted September 18, 2009 This sums up exactly the sentiment most fans share today: That is an awesome quote. Like it or not, fighting after a big legal hit has been a part of hockey from the start. If you're going to hit like that, man-up and don't back down from the opponent who calls you out for it. If you wanna play tough, do it all the way. If you want to play meek, be a skilled player and not really throw your body around, fine. Don't throw your body at people and then refuse to fight when you're called out for it. Yes it's legal to hit like Dion and Kronner do and Stevens did. No, it isn't right to refuse invitations to fight afterwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kidish 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 The NHL announced that Morency is suspended for leaving the bench to charge Phaneuf. Ok, it got one right. The NHL has made no announcement on any actions for or against Phaneuf. Well...typical. Sometimes I absolutely hate the league itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KitimatKid 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 It was a nice hit, shades of Scott Stevens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 That is an awesome quote. Like it or not, fighting after a big legal hit has been a part of hockey from the start. If you're going to hit like that, man-up and don't back down from the opponent who calls you out for it. If you wanna play tough, do it all the way. If you want to play meek, be a skilled player and not really throw your body around, fine. Don't throw your body at people and then refuse to fight when you're called out for it. Yes it's legal to hit like Dion and Kronner do and Stevens did. No, it isn't right to refuse invitations to fight afterwards. It still is probably the stupidest thing I've seen. "You hit my guy!! I'm going to fight you for it!" "You scored a goal!! I'm going to fight you for it!" Both are legal plays, yet one is apparently okay to fight about. He made a body check. Get over it and hit him harder. Don't fight him because you can't stand your own guy getting hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 The part where he wouldn't shed the gloves and decided to just go for the takedown. I'm not saying he was obligated to fight there since it was a clean hit, but he still looked like a ***** to me. so do the red wings look like ******* 99% of the time then to you too? glad we're making progress Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted September 18, 2009 It still is probably the stupidest thing I've seen. "You hit my guy!! I'm going to fight you for it!" "You scored a goal!! I'm going to fight you for it!" Both are legal plays, yet one is apparently okay to fight about. He made a body check. Get over it and hit him harder. Don't fight him because you can't stand your own guy getting hit. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that hockey has been played in the NHL since it's inception. Maybe it will change for you soon. He didn't *just* make a body check, he sent an up-and-comer off the ice on a stretcher. Legal or not, the Islanders were right to seek out a fight, and Dion should have obliged (like stevens often did). You wanna play tough? Play tough and accept what comes. Don't wanna fight? fine, make sure you don't send kids off the ice on a stretcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 Phaneuf has been afraid to fight ever since Lilja fell on top of him. I'll never forget the fear in poor Dion's face during that infamous square off. Also, he's dating some hot actress and is probably afraid of having his face bruised and battered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) I'm sorry that you don't like the way that hockey has been played in the NHL since it's inception. Maybe it will change for you soon. He didn't *just* make a body check, he sent an up-and-comer off the ice on a stretcher. Legal or not, the Islanders were right to seek out a fight, and Dion should have obliged (like stevens often did). You wanna play tough? Play tough and accept what comes. Don't wanna fight? fine, make sure you don't send kids off the ice on a stretcher. Yeah, I'm sure you know more about how it was played more than guys like Mickey Redmond who were actually in the league. If you fight for a hit, you are acting like a baby. Seriously, don't get mad. Get even. None of this "Bawww you hit my guy" bulls***. It's pathetic, really. Respect the hit. Edited September 18, 2009 by Doc Holiday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kidish 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) When have hockey players ever "respected the hit," Doc? Hitting is legal, and there are legal hits and illegal hits. Then there are hits that teams take exception to, legal or no. This was one of them. This generates a fight every time. I've never seen this league you talk about, where "real men" look at the kid on the stretcher and go, "oh that's too bad, but it was a good hit. We should applaud Phaneuf for making such a hit. Too bad for that kid though." Besides which, in this instance, it wasn't a "good" hit. Edited September 18, 2009 by kidish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted September 18, 2009 Yeah, I'm sure you know more about how it was played more than guys like Mickey Redmond who were actually in the league. If you fight for a hit, you are acting like a baby. Seriously, don't get mad. Get even. None of this "Bawww you hit my guy" bulls***. It's pathetic, really. Respect the hit. Did you boo downey for going after Lapperierre? I for one don't think Bob Probert was being a baby when he tooled Petit for helping put Yzerman into the boards, leaving him sprawled out on the ice, hurt. Petit broke no rules - but he could have broken Stevie's neck. Yzerman laughed it off in an interview afterwards, saying (paraphrased) "I think he should have eased up before we went into the boards butthat's part of hockey and I'm glad Probie's on our team to take care of that sort of thing". Me and Steve Yzerman disagree with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 So I found this little quote from Marty Biron... Looks like the next time they play should be just as interesting... keep this one on the schedule.... "From my point of view, it looks like he left his feet when he went to hit him," Biron said, "and did it in a way that the league is trying to prevent." Biron added, "We have a long memory, and we'll see them Saturday in Saskatoon. If you're going to play that way, you have to respond when challenged." I'm assuming that Phanuef wont play in that game, but the real question is are a young group of revenge seeking isles going to do a little head hunting them selves. I don't see calgary taking Iginlia, Cammilari (sp) and Jokinen all off for the same game... I think some of the young Islanders want a little "eye for and eye" here... crash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted September 18, 2009 Yeah, I'm sure you know more about how it was played more than guys like Mickey Redmond who were actually in the league. I'm not certain what you're saying here. Has Micky said that there was a time when players did not ever fight after legal hits? I've heard him opine that they shouldn't, but I've never heard him claim that they didn't. Do you believe that there was an era in which NHL players did not ever fight after star players or weak players were hit hard but legal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 So I found this little quote from Marty Biron... Looks like the next time they play should be just as interesting... keep this one on the schedule.... "From my point of view, it looks like he left his feet when he went to hit him," Biron said, "and did it in a way that the league is trying to prevent." Biron added, "We have a long memory, and we'll see them Saturday in Saskatoon. If you're going to play that way, you have to respond when challenged." I'm assuming that Phanuef wont play in that game, but the real question is are a young group of revenge seeking isles going to do a little head hunting them selves. I don't see calgary taking Iginlia, Cammilari (sp) and Jokinen all off for the same game... I think some of the young Islanders want a little "eye for and eye" here... crash Yeeeee-haw! oh p.s., Cammalleri plays for Montreal now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 It was a nice hit, shades of Scott Stevens. Shades of yes, because like many of Stevens' hits, his defense partner is the distraction that leads to the great set up. Let's look at the differences: Stevens hardly ever left his feet... even "due to the force of impact." ...and was willing to fight when his hits were questioned. Here's 10 Bone-Crushing Stevens hits. Not one does he leave his feet to launch himself at an opponent, which Phaneuf is prone to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 The Islanders need a guy like Lilja, who can stand up for teammates who just got hit by Phaneuf. Naw GMR, they don't need Lilja. They're leading the league in preseason fights with 9. They don't need Pain-Train. They got Reich. Did you see this tussle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 thanks yzerfan I totally forgot... Brain fart on that one... well then ummm Bouwmeester lol... I use his name instead... or even fluery lol he seems to be showing up lately for them... crash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2009 Did you boo downey for going after Lapperierre? Wasn't directly after the hit, was Lidstrom, was forearm shiver right to Lidstrom's face. I for one don't think Bob Probert was being a baby when he tooled Petit for helping put Yzerman into the boards, leaving him sprawled out on the ice, hurt. Petit broke no rules - but he could have broken Stevie's neck. Yzerman laughed it off in an interview afterwards, saying (paraphrased) "I think he should have eased up before we went into the boards butthat's part of hockey and I'm glad Probie's on our team to take care of that sort of thing". Me and Steve Yzerman disagree with you. Probert was a grade-a hothead, so it doesn't surprise me that he did that. Also it would be nice to know what hit you are talking about, and if it looked clean or not. And of course Yzerman is going to compliment him on the issue. He was the victim and was "avenged" by Probert, and they are teammates. The captain isn't going to say "Well I think he shouldn't have fought him" if he had believed that. Take a hit. Get even if you don't like it, but with your own physical play or by imposing yourself on the opposition. And yes, that includes a fight later on to send a message. But none of this reactionary bulls*** unless you think it was a seriously cheap hit. "If you want to hit our guys then go out and hit em, but if you run our guys or have your elbows up then, there's gonna be someone sneaky comin around the corner." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted September 19, 2009 Naw GMR, they don't need Lilja. They're leading the league in preseason fights with 9. They don't need Pain-Train. They got Reich. Did you see this tussle? Reich is just a decent middleweight. The Islanders need a heavy on their team. They always let them go too easily. First Cairns, then Godard and last year Fritz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted September 19, 2009 Reich is just a decent middleweight. The Islanders need a heavy on their team. They always let them go too easily. First Cairns, then Godard and last year Fritz. Rechlicz will most likely be up full time, or at least part time this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted September 19, 2009 Rechlicz will most likely be up full time, or at least part time this season Or they can bring back Gillies and Nystrom for extra toughness. And what do you mean Reich will be up full time. He's just a fighter. Didn't you hear that teams don't ever play fighters full-time in today's NHL, unless those guys are also great skaters and can score 20 goals? The league has changed, man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted September 19, 2009 Or they can bring back Gillies and Nystrom for extra toughness. And what do you mean Reich will be up full time. He's just a fighter. Didn't you hear that teams don't ever play fighters full-time in today's NHL, unless those guys are also great skaters and can score 20 goals? The league has changed, man. Yup. Fighting will probably be down again this year. I didn't check, but I assume it's been trending down, right? There's no room for goons on teams that want to be competetive. It's been proven that goons on winning clubs are a thing of the past, that's why none of the teams that are expected to be good this year will carry one-dimensional fighters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted September 19, 2009 Wasn't directly after the hit, was Lidstrom, was forearm shiver right to Lidstrom's face. Probert was a grade-a hothead, so it doesn't surprise me that he did that. Also it would be nice to know what hit you are talking about, and if it looked clean or not. And of course Yzerman is going to compliment him on the issue. He was the victim and was "avenged" by Probert, and they are teammates. The captain isn't going to say "Well I think he shouldn't have fought him" if he had believed that. Take a hit. Get even if you don't like it, but with your own physical play or by imposing yourself on the opposition. And yes, that includes a fight later on to send a message. But none of this reactionary bulls*** unless you think it was a seriously cheap hit. "If you want to hit our guys then go out and hit em, but if you run our guys or have your elbows up then, there's gonna be someone sneaky comin around the corner." Me and Steve Yzerman don't like you suggesting that he's a liar. The hit on Lidstrom was no dirtier than the hit Phaneuf laid here. Both were borderline. Downey likely would have responded immediately if he were on the ice. He wasn't. Here's Petit on Yzerman. Noteworthy are that a) no penalty called b) not illegal at the time - in fact, it looks like Petit went out of his way not to hit Yzerman's head or neck c) Probert came over immediately d)Petit did not hesitate to accept Probert's invite. Good times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
