Ovie Fined

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I think the difference there was Artyukhin is a repeat offender while this is Ovies first slap on the wrist. So if he does it again then he will be suspended. At least this is what the analysts at TSN state. There is a video on it with them blabing about it.

He slew footed some guy in the pre-season and got fined, plus he had a knee incident last season, so he meets the CBA criteria for repeat offender.

Plus his was worse. The player went crashing into the goalie and net.

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I can't tell if you just like arguing or you're blinded by your love for AO.

When you repeatedly hit guys in ways that put them in dangerous positions, you're eventually gonna get fined/suspended for it.

Like I said, this was the least of the bunch, but Ovechkin's zeal for hitting sometimes crosses over into a lack of respect for his fellow players.

I am so sick of the "lack of respect" card.

Hockey is a violent sport. If you touch the puck you can get hit. Just because you are in a vulnerable position (provided the hit comes from the front and such) doesn't mean there should be a "no touch rule" for your benefit.

There is as much a reason to give Ovechkin a suspension as there is to give a player who high sticks players a lot on accident a suspension. Malicious intent is not there.

But please call if blind love for Ovechkin. I can't say it will be the last time someone decides to use an ad hominem to attack my character.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

I am so sick of the "lack of respect" card.

Hockey is a violent sport. If you touch the puck you can get hit. Just because you are in a vulnerable position (provided the hit comes from the front and such) doesn't mean there should be a "no touch rule" for your benefit.

There is as much a reason to give Ovechkin a suspension as there is to give a player who high sticks players a lot on accident a suspension. Malicious intent is not there.

But please call if blind love for Ovechkin. I can't say it will be the last time someone decides to use an ad hominem to attack my character.

Can't hit from behind. Ever. = good rule.

From the front or side......crush 'em. =really good rule.

on topic.....slewfooting is as bad as a 2 hand chop, imho. cowardly move. shows signs of being an "imachure" a**hole

Edited October 24, 2009 by HOCKEY MATTERS

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Can't hit from behind. Ever. = good rule.

From the front or side......crush 'em. =really good rule.

on topic.....slewfooting is as bad as a 2 hand chop, imho. cowardly move. shows signs of being an "imachure" a**hole

(provided the hit comes from the front and such)

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I am so sick of the "lack of respect" card.

Hockey is a violent sport. If you touch the puck you can get hit. Just because you are in a vulnerable position (provided the hit comes from the front and such) doesn't mean there should be a "no touch rule" for your benefit.

There is as much a reason to give Ovechkin a suspension as there is to give a player who high sticks players a lot on accident a suspension. Malicious intent is not there.

But please call if blind love for Ovechkin. I can't say it will be the last time someone decides to use an ad hominem to attack my character.

Attacking your character? Oh the drama.

1) Yes, hockey is a violent sport. That in no way justifies what kind of rules should or should not exist, or it would be a free for all. You could use that to explain away anything. Crosscheck to the mouth? Hockey is a violent sport. Charging? don't like it, don't play a violent sport.

2) Even in your own statement you say there shouldn't be a "no touch rule" because a guy is vulnerable, but qualify it by saying "provided the hit comes from the front and such." So you're contradicting yourself, because even in your own example you just described the kind of no-touch rule that you said shouldn't exist. Hitting from behind is illegal because the guy is in a vulnerable position and could get hurt. So I hate to break the news to you, but that kind of "no-touch" rule is already in the game.

Sorry you're sick of the "lack of respect" card, but it's something that's been a part of the game for a while now. Like the code with enforcers. Do you think it was the victims fault in most of these cases with Ovechkin? Briere put himself in a dangerous situation by not facing Ovechkin at all times? Brown put himself in a vulnerable position by not expecting to get plowed into when he was nowhere near the puck?

The reality is, respect is a part of the game. It's how there can be guys who play hard, fight, and play with an edge, but still have the respect of players around the league. Then there's other players who go over that edge and many of their peers think they play dirty.

Not to get all ad hominem on you, but I think the answer to my last question is that you like to argue, because we're getting way off topic here. If you recall, I wasn't ever advocating that Ovechkin get suspended, but you seem to fixate on this malicious intent. The reality is slew footing is unnecessary, outside the bounds of normal play, and puts a player at risk. Ovechkin got fined for it. He also has a history of some questionable hits. Not a ton, but enough to get noticed in his short career.

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Attacking your character? Oh the drama.

1) Yes, hockey is a violent sport. That in no way justifies what kind of rules should or should not exist, or it would be a free for all. You could use that to explain away anything. Crosscheck to the mouth? Hockey is a violent sport. Charging? don't like it, don't play a violent sport.

First: by calling me an Ovie fanboy, that is an attack on my character.

Secondly: Body checking to the front or side is legal. Regardless if a player is in a "vulnerable" position.

2) Even in your own statement you say there shouldn't be a "no touch rule" because a guy is vulnerable, but qualify it by saying "provided the hit comes from the front and such." So you're contradicting yourself, because even in your own example you just described the kind of no-touch rule that you said shouldn't exist. Hitting from behind is illegal because the guy is in a vulnerable position and could get hurt. So I hate to break the news to you, but that kind of "no-touch" rule is already in the game.

My ruling is pretty clear. Hits from behind are illegal. Hits from the front are not. Any check from the front is legal and should not be called if a player doesn't see it coming, just gets the puck, or has the puck in his skates but is still deemed to be in possession. Those are all vulnerable situations. Argue semantics all you want though to prove your point.

Sorry you're sick of the "lack of respect" card, but it's something that's been a part of the game for a while now. Like the code with enforcers. Do you think it was the victims fault in most of these cases with Ovechkin? Briere put himself in a dangerous situation by not facing Ovechkin at all times? Brown put himself in a vulnerable position by not expecting to get plowed into when he was nowhere near the puck?

You are twisting my words. Briere had his backed turned. That is illegal and I have even stated that it was a dirty play. Ovechkin also ran into Brown (didn't try to take his head off, just ran into the guy) and arguably dove. That wasn't some dirty play where he was trying to take Brown out of the game. Respect is a term that isn't thought about in-game. When Ovechkin is hitting a player, it is instinctive. He doesn't hit because the player is in a good spot or that there is enough respect to where he can hit him, but because he is there and has the puck. You just don't think about that when playing the game. Ovechkin respects the players, and like every other player doesn't think about respect or lack thereof when committing a body check. Neither did Ruutu against Tucker.

The reality is, respect is a part of the game. It's how there can be guys who play hard, fight, and play with an edge, but still have the respect of players around the league. Then there's other players who go over that edge and many of their peers think they play dirty.

Scott Stevens could have had that label as well. But he was a player who respected the players, but just hit people like a freight train.

Not to get all ad hominem on you, but I think the answer to my last question is that you like to argue, because we're getting way off topic here. If you recall, I wasn't ever advocating that Ovechkin get suspended, but you seem to fixate on this malicious intent. The reality is slew footing is unnecessary, outside the bounds of normal play, and puts a player at risk. Ovechkin got fined for it. He also has a history of some questionable hits. Not a ton, but enough to get noticed in his short career.

And there are other players who haven't even been fined, let alone suspended. Including Pittsburgh's Evgeni Malkin:

Intent is a big part of any punishment. That is why high sticks are not looked at by the league unless there is malicious intent behind it and that is why Ovechkin has not been considered a dirty player. Because he rarely commits cheap shots, and there is one or two that can be considered as such. He just likes to crush people. So did Stevens. So does Kronwall and Stuart.

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First: by calling me an Ovie fanboy, that is an attack on my character.

Secondly: Body checking to the front or side is legal. Regardless if a player is in a "vulnerable" position.

Charging? Boarding?

Boarding: A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.

Charging: Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A "Charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

My ruling is pretty clear. Hits from behind are illegal. Hits from the front are not. Any check from the front is legal and should not be called if a player doesn't see it coming, just gets the puck, or has the puck in his skates but is still deemed to be in possession. Those are all vulnerable situations. Argue semantics all you want though to prove your point.

See above. Even hits from the front have rules limiting them.

You are twisting my words. Briere had his backed turned. That is illegal and I have even stated that it was a dirty play. Ovechkin also ran into Brown (didn't try to take his head off, just ran into the guy) and arguably dove. That wasn't some dirty play where he was trying to take Brown out of the game. Respect is a term that isn't thought about in-game. When Ovechkin is hitting a player, it is instinctive. He doesn't hit because the player is in a good spot or that there is enough respect to where he can hit him, but because he is there and has the puck. You just don't think about that when playing the game. Ovechkin respects the players, and like every other player doesn't think about respect or lack thereof when committing a body check. Neither did Ruutu against Tucker.

How am I twisting your words? you said there shouldn't be rules for hitting players that are vulnerable, then qualified it by citing one of the existing rules about hitting players that are vulnerable.

He just "ran into" Brown? Isn't that called a check in the game of hockey? Brown was nowhere near the puck.

At this level and for as long as these guys have played, most of them know when they should let up for a second. Whether it's to avoid a knee on knee, or crush a guy's head against the glass.

Scott Stevens could have had that label as well. But he was a player who respected the players, but just hit people like a freight train.

He definitely did crush guys. Ovechkin has already racked up as many borderline plays as Stevens had in his whole career.

And there are other players who haven't even been fined, let alone suspended. Including Pittsburgh's Evgeni Malkin:

so two wrongs make a right?

Intent is a big part of any punishment. That is why high sticks are not looked at by the league unless there is malicious intent behind it and that is why Ovechkin has not been considered a dirty player. Because he rarely commits cheap shots, and there is one or two that can be considered as such. He just likes to crush people. So did Stevens. So does Kronwall and Stuart.

If you look, I never called Ovechkin a dirty player. I don't know how many different ways I can say I like him as a player. But if he keeps it up, he may have suspensions in his future.

Edited October 25, 2009 by haroldsnepsts

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Some friendly advise from Mr. Donald S. Cherry:

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Charging? Boarding?

Boarding: A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.

Charging: Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A "Charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

See above. Even hits from the front have rules limiting them.

Good point. However vulnerability is not the case in either of those rules. Also the vast majority of boarding calls come from hits from behind.

How am I twisting your words? you said there shouldn't be rules for hitting players that are vulnerable, then qualified it by citing one of the existing rules about hitting players that are vulnerable.

What are you talking about? I have stated a hit from behind is not legal.

He just "ran into" Brown? Isn't that called a check in the game of hockey? Brown was nowhere near the puck.

He was nowhere near plowed.

At this level and for as long as these guys have played, most of them know when they should let up for a second. Whether it's to avoid a knee on knee, or crush a guy's head against the glass.

Sometimes players are unable to make a decision at the last second to let up on a hit. They are called accidents and even the pros make them.

He definitely did crush guys. Ovechkin has already racked up as many borderline plays as Stevens had in his whole career.

And I hope he doesn't let up because Ovechkin plays the kind of hockey I like to watch. Hard hitting, don't let up for nobody (provided it is in the rules) kind of action.

so two wrongs make a right?

No, it just isn't the end of the world when some plays are missed or not called "perfectly". Yzerman commited slew foots in his hay day as well.

If you look, I never called Ovechkin a dirty player. I don't know how many different ways I can say I like him as a player. But if he keeps it up, he may have suspensions in his future.

Obviously.

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He was nowhere near plowed.

Really?? Nowhere near? What would you call this then? Browns feet going flying up in the air he ended up on his back so fast.

And I hope he doesn't let up because Ovechkin plays the kind of hockey I like to watch. Hard hitting, don't let up for nobody (provided it is in the rules) kind of action.

As I've said over and over, me too. But he needs to back off a little because eventually the league will come down on even one of their poster boys.

No, it just isn't the end of the world when some plays are missed or not called "perfectly". Yzerman commited slew foots in his hay day as well.

Could you show me where I said it was the end of the world? Or even a big deal?

Good god you love to argue. You seem to make up points just so you can refute them.

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Well for the record YOU initiated the argument with ME.

Also Ovechkin has had ONE play where he has made potentially malicious contact prior to this one, which was the Briere incident.

That is the argument.

Edited October 26, 2009 by Doc Holiday

[WingNutt 12]

The slew foot wasn't intentional and almost not even one at all, They both were skating hard for the puck collide Ovie is trying to keep his balance and not fall and his left leg sweeps out his right leg and he goes down.

Slew foot yes barely Intentional not a bit.

Ovie has had some bad plays but you have to remember he is 100% passionate about this game, and sometimes stuff happens out on the ice, but I wouldn't say he is a goon that looks to go out and hurt people, the guy is a good person and loves the game.

Anyone in here that disagrees has never played a hockey game in their life. Stuff happens when you play and your emotions take over, its like survival of the fittest with a gentlemanly hand shake and nod of respect to the other team when the game is over.

hockey is hockey I can tell a lot of you have never set foot on the ice a day in your life. you'll never understand the emotional side of hockey games until you actually play and compete yourself. there is a difference in the way a hockey players watches hockey games and the way hockey fans watch hockey games.