Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Rumar has it Scotty/Stan has his roster for next year and its under the cap. Only few know exactly who is on it and it should be interesting to see what happens between now and the trade deadline. You guys aren't worried about Chicago are you? Pat, is that you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIBS 35 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Pat, is that you? No, I'm Dave, nice to meet you. Excellent sig, btw. Edited November 17, 2009 by FIBS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Without unloading either Campbell or Huet (if not both) this will not happen, unless the players take MASSIVE discounts over a very long period of time. The same thing Hossa did last year and the Hawks got investigated on. I have a hard time seeing Toews and Kane signing for less than 5 mil a year. Who knows, I mean Hossa came to Det for far less than he could have had else where. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StormJH1 231 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Remember when the league was looking at the Progner and Hossa contracts over the summer, but nothing came out of it? It will be interesting to see if they test their luck further here, by doing somethign crazy, such as signing them to a 24-year deal for $80 million total into their mid-40's, front loading the salaries for their early years (as in, before they RETIRE), and having a cap hit of $3.33 million a year. Hey, if anyone had the balls to try it, it'd be the Hawks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Even if all three signed for 4mil each thats still 12mil and gets them to 55mil payroll next year and only 16 players. Someone will have to be moved. Also even if they signed for $4mil each what a slap in the face to those 3 would it would be when a guy like Bolland is making $3.3mil. No offense to Bolland but the other 3 are franchise players, he is not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIBS 35 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Without unloading either Campbell or Huet (if not both) this will not happen, unless the players take MASSIVE discounts over a very long period of time. The same thing Hossa did last year and the Hawks got investigated on. I have a hard time seeing Toews and Kane signing for less than 5 mil a year. Who knows, I mean Hossa came to Det for far less than he could have had else where. Yes it can and it will. I'm hearing 2 of the big three are taking "discounts". Keith is owed the most and from what I understand, Kane Toews and Keith are under the impression that they are young and have plenty of time during their careers to make more money. Not only that, they are in a large market and will have more than ample opportunity for endorsements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StormJH1 231 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Without unloading either Campbell or Huet (if not both) this will not happen, unless the players take MASSIVE discounts over a very long period of time. The same thing Hossa did last year and the Hawks got investigated on. I have a hard time seeing Toews and Kane signing for less than 5 mil a year. Who knows, I mean Hossa came to Det for far less than he could have had else where. Yep, that's exactly what I said in the post after yours. The Hossa contract is a joke (and by extension, so are the Zetterberg and Franzen deals, to a lesser degree). I don't even know why the league has a hard salary cap if they're going to allow this to go on. The 24-year, $80 million deal I outlined above is not fundamentally different from what was done with Hossa, Zetterberg, or Franzen--it's just a matter of degree. But the NHL has not stepped in yet to define what that upper boundary of absurdity should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StormJH1 231 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Yes it can and it will. I'm hearing 2 of the big three are taking "discounts". Keith is owed the most and from what I understand, Kane Toews and Keith are under the impression that they are young and have plenty of time during their careers to make more money. Not only that, they are in a large market and will have more than ample opportunity for endorsements. For Kane, perhaps moreso last year than this year. I hear he's going to work for HBO to be the new interviewer/driver for Taxicab Confessions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIBS 35 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 For Kane, perhaps moreso last year than this year. I hear he's going to work for HBO to be the new interviewer/driver for Taxicab Confessions. Would you be willing to tell me what happened between Kane, his cousin, and the cab driver? Because I've yet to hear the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedatsyukian 7 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Would you be willing to tell me what happened between Kane, his cousin, and the cab driver? Because I've yet to hear the truth. Who cares? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIBS 35 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Who cares? Apparently all the people on this board who love ripping Kane for no reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Apparently all the people on this board who love ripping Kane for no reason. God forbid a Red Wings board mocking a player from another team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Yes it can and it will. I'm hearing 2 of the big three are taking "discounts". Keith is owed the most and from what I understand, Kane Toews and Keith are under the impression that they are young and have plenty of time during their careers to make more money. Not only that, they are in a large market and will have more than ample opportunity for endorsements. For your sake (as I assume you are a Hawks fan) I hope you are right but you are talking about: 4 mil a piece, yet Campbell who is what, the third best defense man on the team is making 7mil, do you think Keith's agent won't make that apparent to his client. The Hawks are not the Wings, they do not have the last 15 years of success to use as leverage with players. All an agent has to say is lets look Rick DiPietro, or the Tampa Bay Lightning. These types of contracts have more of a history of them working out badly then they do positively, whether it be due to injury or the fact that the team is unable to fill out an NHL roster. If they sign contract extensions how do the Hawks meet the Tagging requirement? This move will cost them tremendous depth, and they still have no goaltending! Just for kicks: Keith 3.5 (if he signs for this I will be astonished, and he deserves the BlackHawks version of the Noble Prize) Kane 4.5 Toews 4 That means they have about 20 mil in Forwards and roughly 13 mil in Defense signed for next year. Roughly 43 mil before the three aforementioned deals. 8 other RFA's that they will not be able to even contend to with a league minimum offer sheet. And they will only have 5 defenseman signed. And 12 forwards. They will need to sign at least 1 more forward and 2 more D, with no money. (some of the signed players being AHL talent anyway) And most importantly they will have ONE very expensive very inconsistent netminder. All of this with those three taking the deals I laid out, you really see them signing for those numbers. Even if some of the years could be 12 mil they are still leaving at least that much on the table, to be on a team with 0 depth! But please if I have overlooked something point it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedatsyukian 7 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Apparently all the people on this board who love ripping Kane for no reason. Who cares about the truth of it? It's created an excellent joke for all hockey fans to enjoy. I hate to break it to you but every fan base mocks him, as they should. Edited November 17, 2009 by thedatsyukian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Apparently all the people on this board who love ripping Kane for no reason. Better this than your board who loves to make fun of Detroit's economic struggles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Would you be willing to tell me what happened between Kane, his cousin, and the cab driver? Because I've yet to hear the truth. Yet to hear the version of truth from the guilty party or were you there to see what happened? Because unless you were there you have no clue what the truth is, correct? Since you know what the truth is share, I mean if you have yet to hear the truth that means you know the truth or you are blinding believing Kane didn't do it. I mean it is not like he apologized for it and said he was dumb for doing it or anything. “They said it’s something they never want to see again,†Kane said quietly after the opening practice for the U.S. Olympic orientation camp at Seven Bridges Ice Arena in Woodridge. “My family didn’t raise me that way, so it’s tough to let them down too.†http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/au...e-chicago-aug18 Edited November 17, 2009 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Apparently all the people on this board who love ripping Kane for no reason. Regardless of exactly how true the stories about 20 Cent are, they're hilarious and they've spawned some awesome jokes. I don't have anything against Kane really, sure he plays for the Hawks but I'd love to have him on the Wings (if he backchecked). It's nothing personal, if it was another young superstar like one of the Staals who did it, I'd make the jokes about them too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIBS 35 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Better this than your board who loves to make fun of Detroit's economic struggles. The board I belong to doesn't even mention detroit. Unless we just played you or are about to play you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy_Like_Wingy 25 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 For your sake (as I assume you are a Hawks fan) I hope you are right but you are talking about: 4 mil a piece, yet Campbell who is what, the third best defense man on the team is making 7mil, do you think Keith's agent won't make that apparent to his client. The Hawks are not the Wings, they do not have the last 15 years of success to use as leverage with players. All an agent has to say is lets look Rick DiPietro, or the Tampa Bay Lightning. These types of contracts have more of a history of them working out badly then they do positively, whether it be due to injury or the fact that the team is unable to fill out an NHL roster. If they sign contract extensions how do the Hawks meet the Tagging requirement? This move will cost them tremendous depth, and they still have no goaltending! Just for kicks: Keith 3.5 (if he signs for this I will be astonished, and he deserves the BlackHawks version of the Noble Prize) Kane 4.5 Toews 4 That means they have about 20 mil in Forwards and roughly 13 mil in Defense signed for next year. Roughly 43 mil before the three aforementioned deals. 8 other RFA's that they will not be able to even contend to with a league minimum offer sheet. And they will only have 5 defenseman signed. And 12 forwards. They will need to sign at least 1 more forward and 2 more D, with no money. (some of the signed players being AHL talent anyway) And most importantly they will have ONE very expensive very inconsistent netminder. All of this with those three taking the deals I laid out, you really see them signing for those numbers. Even if some of the years could be 12 mil they are still leaving at least that much on the table, to be on a team with 0 depth! But please if I have overlooked something point it out. $20 million + $13 million = $43 million? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedatsyukian 7 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Blackhawk fans have a strange obsession with the Red Wings, similar to that of a kid who was forced to eat dog s*** by his schoolyard bully. I mean they chant Detroit sucks when we're not even playing them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 If these 3 want to take discounts to TRY and create a winning team, then you gotta respect it, as stupid as it may be. I remember hearing, on multiple occasions, that the hawks think they have a plethora of talent in the AHL, just waiting to come to the NHL and be productive. I hope this is what they are counting on doing because they will be in for a rude awakening when their AHL players don't meet their expectations... Somethings gotta give here, whether its a lot of depth or a big name player... Either way, I don't see it working out too well... maybe i'm wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIBS 35 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 All I'm saying is all the facts of the situation were not made public. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 $20 million + $13 million = $43 million? Like I said point out anything I missed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedatsyukian 7 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 $20 million + $13 million = $43 million? Them err michagander mathumatix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 All I'm saying is all the facts of the situation were not made public. So he is innocent, because the case never made it to court? Or because he is a Hawk, the link I posted he apologizes for his behavior and how it made his family look, not that he was innocent and the facts will be out. He admitted responsibility by apologizing, if he didn't do it, don't apologize. Don't get me wrong this isn't the Bell situation of a couple of years ago, but still very disappointing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
