11/21 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Canadiens 2 (SO)

[Rivalred 630]

How funny, I was just reading that and was about to post it haha

The reading rainbow theme song? How ironic!

[jollymania 162]

i think we can weather the storm with meech in there, ericsson hasn't been that good but it is only a matter of time before he regains his confidence and starts playing like he did last year

[useyourillusion 0]

janik, anyone? get lebda out.. him and meech would be just horrible together.

[Vladiator 116]

I'd jump for joy for just a spain on Kronner's knee after seeing that knee to knee but I think that is a preliminary evaluation and nothing will be known for sure until the MRIs come back.

Edited November 22, 2009 by Vladiator

[titanium2 867]

i think we can weather the storm with meech in there, ericsson hasn't been that good but it is only a matter of time before he regains his confidence and starts playing like he did last year

Does that mean Bart Lebda moves into the top-4? Because to have a third pairing of Lebda-Meech means that Nick, Rafi, Stewie and Jonny each average thirty minutes a game until Nik comes back.

[Casey 145]

Just found an update (sort of) on Kronwall . . .

http://www.freep.com/article/20091121/SPOR...least-two-weeks

Hopefully it's just a sprain and not a tear. Get well soon, Kronner.

P.S. Hockey Gods, all I want for Christmas is a healthy Red Wings team!

Second-degree sprain, you're talking 2 weeks. Not a major problem.

[Guest zackmorris]

Micah's post is spot on IMHO...Kronwall has leveled many opponents over the past few seasons, and I'd say there were a few hits that he delivered that were pretty borderline dirty.

That said Laraque is a real turd for sticking his knee out to catch Kronner's knee, and I hope the league throws the book at this useless ******.

There's no justification for a knee on knee collision. I don't care how Kronwall plays, he's never done anything to deserve this. It's just an argumentative response. More fun to argue than to agree.

[Guest micah]

There's no justification for a knee on knee collision. I don't care how Kronwall plays, he's never done anything to deserve this. It's just an argumentative response. More fun to argue than to agree.

I didn't say it was justified, I said it was to be expected. If you're going to play dirty and refuse to fight, expect to be cheapshotted. Is it right, is it justified? Not really. Should you expect it? Yup.

I also called Laraque out, but you ignored that part.

....probably because you'd rather argue.

[Guest zackmorris]

I didn't say it was justified, I said it was to be expected. If you're going to play dirty and refuse to fight, expect to be cheapshotted. Is it right, is it justified? Not really. Should you expect it? Yup.

I also called Laraque out, but you ignored that part.

....probably because you'd rather argue.

Yeah hence why I've said not one word to anyone else at this board in an argumentative fashion. Ever.

1) Kronwal doesn't play dirty

2) Anything that could be interpreted as "dirty" does not mean he deserves a knee on knee collision.

He doesn't play dirty and refuse to fight, he makes big hits and play smart.

[Guest zackmorris]

Well that may be true to a certain extent - however many players around the league are fully aware of Kronwall's hitting capacity, and some simply won't accept him flattening out a teammate, and will retaliate...Laraque will hopefully be sitting out for a long time.

That's the type of reply I agree with.

Laraque should see a suspension. Of course, his history of cleaner play will for some unknown reason factor in and he won't see a long one. Which is ridiculous.

[Vladifan 680]

Why not watch figure skating??? Katarina Witt is on...

Just a reminder. There's allll kinds of opinions on this board so no need to suggest to posters that they go elsewhere for anything just because they happen to disagree with you.

And the Wings are not a dirty team. That is a fact. So that also means my idea of Stuart and Ericsson sandwiching Laraque, and Bertuzzi beating the crap out of him is also not a good idea. Not only is it inconsistent with the way they play (thank god), I don't want 'em to mess up their hands. OK, so it wouldn't matter with Bert but it might with the other two.

[titanium2 867]

Thanks for the wise advice. I literally backed off and watched a football game.

NP... What does that smiley mean?

[titanium2 867]

Kronwall has crossed the line from clean to dirty on occasion and seldom gets cheaped in return. Tonight he did. That's part of his game, no biggie. Had it been Z or D, I'd be furious. Kronwall? Eh, there's a price to play for playing the game you do, fella. If you're goping to be reckless and refuse to back it up, expect people to make you pay.

That said, Laraque, that was stupid and dangerous.

Sweet sweaters on the Canadiens tonight!

So what should Laraque expect? A Marty McSoreley?

[jollymania 162]

Kronwall has crossed the line from clean to dirty on occasion and seldom gets cheaped in return. Tonight he did. That's part of his game, no biggie. Had it been Z or D, I'd be furious. Kronwall? Eh, there's a price to play for playing the game you do, fella. If you're goping to be reckless and refuse to back it up, expect people to make you pay.

That said, Laraque, that was stupid and dangerous.

Sweet sweaters on the Canadiens tonight!

kronwall has hurt 2 people with dirty hits in all the hits he has made, 1 was lupul liek 5 years agao and 1 was carter last year in the playoffs and it was a measly broken nose, like that make him deserve a knee on knee form a scrub who should be in the ahl. White made Kronwall "pay" the right way, the wanker laraque didn't

Edited November 22, 2009 by jollymania

[Vladifan 680]

NP... What does that smiley mean?

Part chagrin for my hissie earlier; part chagrin in that I've finally calmed down and am not going out to hire a death squad.

[titanium2 867]

Part chagrin for my hissie earlier; part chagrin in that I've finally calmed down and am not going out to hire a death squad.

Ah good choice I guess. It's tough to pick your spots on lgw as far as healthy debates go.

[skyphoenix 153]

It's funny, Laraque didn't even apologize or anything. Not like I'm really looking for an apology but he doesn't even acknowledge that he just injured somebody for a month because of what he did. He just claims it was an accident, like he hasn't been playing hockey for more than a week and knows what those kinds of hits do.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Kronwall has crossed the line from clean to dirty on occasion and seldom gets cheaped in return. Tonight he did. That's part of his game, no biggie. Had it been Z or D, I'd be furious. Kronwall? Eh, there's a price to play for playing the game you do, fella. If you're goping to be reckless and refuse to back it up, expect people to make you pay.

That said, Laraque, that was stupid and dangerous.

Sweet sweaters on the Canadiens tonight!

The play wasn't related to Kronwall's "cheap" behavior, so what point are you trying to make?

Unless you are trying to say that Laraque tried to make Kronwall pay with a vicious knee on knee hit.

[ilmickeyli 40]

IMO Laraque should get nothing less than 15 games.

While that'd be great, can you pass what you are smoking? Look at the flowchart, at most it will be 5!

/sarcasm

[Guest micah]

The play wasn't related to Kronwall's "cheap" behavior, so what point are you trying to make?

You believe Laraque waited a decade to lay a knee-on-knee to a random player? I don't. I suspect that Kronwall was singled out for being a sometimes-dirty player who consistantly refuses to back up his actions in the way that NHLers have been expected to for a century or so.

Unless you are trying to say that Laraque tried to make Kronwall pay with a vicious knee on knee hit.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Is it right? No. Should Laraque be suspended? Probably. Is Kronwall a clean player who was simply a 100% innocent victim? Nope.

[Doc Holiday 0]

You believe Laraque waited a decade to lay a knee-on-knee to a random player? I don't. I suspect that Kronwall was singled out for being a sometimes-dirty player who consistantly refuses to back up his actions in the way that NHLers have been expected to for a century or so.

Ah yes, the whole "hits but doesn't fight" mantra. I didn't realize body checking someone in open ice meant you had to fight the next douchebag who didn't like it. Me and Kronwall must be the only guys who missed that seminar. Same thing with guys like Mickey Redmond.

Lets forget that Laraqu saw Kronwall coming, comitted to the outside then tried to correct himself as Kronwall deked inside and caught him in the knee. We will just assume Laraque was wearing his batman cape and giving justice to all the Havlats of the world who got hit and wanted retribution.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Is it right? No. Should Laraque be suspended? Probably. Is Kronwall a clean player who was simply a 100% innocent victim? Nope.

Any victim of a knee on knee is innocent. If Claude ******* Lemoo (the misspelling was on purpose) was hit by a knee on knee, I would be saying the same thing. Just because you don't like the way Kronwall hits (for the record he has kept his feet on the ice and he shouldn't have to answer the bell to everyone who ******* wants to scrap with him after a hit. Konstantinov didn't and he was the same way albeit didn't really have a dirty hit in his career) doesn't mean he somehow deserved it in any capacity.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Figures that someone would try to injure our players without either May or Lilja in the lineup. Very cheap and gutless move by Laraque.

Granted, in May's case, Laraque would probably just wrestle him down to the ground (since Laraque can't actually fight), but at least we'd have someone out there to retaliate.

[Guest micah]

Any victim of a knee on knee is innocent. If Claude ******* Lemoo (the misspelling was on purpose) was hit by a knee on knee, I would be saying the same thing. Just because you don't like the way Kronwall hits (for the record he has kept his feet on the ice and he shouldn't have to answer the bell to everyone who ******* wants to scrap with him after a hit. Konstantinov didn't and he was the same way albeit didn't really have a dirty hit in his career) doesn't mean he somehow deserved it in any capacity.

IIRC (and I could be wrong) you're one of a very few who agrees wwith me that McCarty was being a cheap cowardly ***** when he suckerpunched Claude Lemieux. Ifso, at least you're consistant.

That said, neithe Clude nor Kronner were innocent. Neither desereved cheapshots, but neither was innocent either. MCCarty, Kronwall, Lemieux and Laraque all took reckless, undeserved liberties with other players. Laraque was the one who I thought was above that sort of thing - I'm very disapointed in him.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Figures that someone would try to injure our players without either May or Lilja in the lineup. Very cheap and gutless move by Laraque.

Granted, in May's case, Laraque would probably just wrestle him down to the ground (since Laraque can't actually fight), but at least we'd have someone out there to retaliate.

You got it! If May was in the line-up no frickin way would Laroque have gone after our #3 D- men

LOL

[Guest micah]

You got it! If May was in the line-up no frickin way would Laroque have gone after our #3 D- men

LOL

Mike Babcocock says:

"It was pretty interesting," said Detroit coach Mike Babcock. "We had May in exhibition for a couple of games and no one gets hacked or whacked. When we don't have him, we get run.

Mike Babcock is a brilliant man.