Hossa's Back

[Doc Holiday 0]

Playoff flop? What the hell are you talking about? Hossa is the same age and has comparable stats with 25 more games played than Franzen in the playoffs. Not to mention he is much more physical and can actually play on the PK.

What?

Hossa f***ed up in the playoffs last year. For 7.4 million. Franzen did not. For change in comparison. He hasn't been a playoff machine and for the salary he was making (and would have made compared to Franzen) he would have had to have a playoff year comparable to Crosby and Malkin.

Franzen was a defensive third line forward until he broke out in 08. How exactly can he not play on the PK? And how exactly does Detroit's commitment to scoring and not defense the previous year help the notion he is a better defensive player?

Physicality is pretty much a wash. Neither are overly physical players.

There is no way Franzen is better than Hossa. Salary included. Hossa almost has more points in one season than Franzen has in his whole career...

Point being? Franzen, like I said before, was a third line plugger for two and a half years before being promoted to the top six. Hard to score when your entire job is to be a defensive forward.

Your blatant homerism is hilarious, Franzen is great, but Hossa that much better.

In the regular season, sure. I'd still take Franzen when salaries are included.

[Carman 387]

Hossa had a torn rotator cuff in the playoffs last year, it happens. If you think Hossa is going to be anything less than a PPG performer in the playoffs when healthy you are going to be surely surprised.

I base that Hossa is a better defensive player by the decision of Babcock to give him 21 minutes of PK time compared to 7 minutes for Franzen. Also Hossa had more hits then Franzen did.

If you can't compare a player's past then what the use of comparing them at all? Hopefully they are both healthy next season and we can continue the discussion then.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Hossa had a torn rotator cuff in the playoffs last year, it happens. If you think Hossa is going to be anything less than a PPG performer in the playoffs when healthy you are going to be surely surprised.

Once again, 40 goals in the regular season. If you can do that you can score in the playoffs.

And maybe he will, maybe he won't. I don't have a crystal ball, here.

I base that Hossa is a better defensive player by the decision of Babcock to give him 21 minutes of PK time compared to 7 minutes for Franzen. Also Hossa had more hits then Franzen did.

That isn't what you said. You said "at least he plays on the PK." Franzen has a solid defensive game and has played on the PK.

If you can't compare a player's past then what the use of comparing them at all? Hopefully they are both healthy next season and we can continue the discussion then.

By that logic we should sign Jagr to a 12 year contract considering the type of past he had.

[Carman 387]

Once again, 40 goals in the regular season. If you can do that you can score in the playoffs.

And maybe he will, maybe he won't. I don't have a crystal ball, here.

That isn't what you said. You said "at least he plays on the PK." Franzen has a solid defensive game and has played on the PK.

By that logic we should sign Jagr to a 12 year contract considering the type of past he had.

Hate debating in two different threads haha.

But anyways Franzen didn't play on the PK as much as Hossa that's why I came to the conclusion that Babcock thinks Hossa is a better option therefore I do aswell.

Let me know when Jagr is 30 again.

[Tommy_Like_Wingy 25]

Once again, 40 goals in the regular season. If you can do that you can score in the playoffs.

Somebody doesn't know how rotator cuff injuries work.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Somebody doesn't know how rotator cuff injuries work.

Or the difference between playoff games and regular season games.

[Guest zackmorris]

Whether he performed up to your expectations in the playoffs, the handful of people saying he stops trying after the regular season are just being stupid. In the effort of not looking like the textbook idiot fan going overboard out of frustration and anger, shut the f*** up please.

[stuck in socal 56]

Hossa tried extremely hard during the PLAYOFFS last year. He just could not find the back of the net. If I remember correctly, Dastyuk had a hard time scoring in the playoffs too. Why dwell on the past, the Wings are having enough difficulties this year in the regular season.

[Guest ZetterbergFourty]

Somebody's bitter.

He left town over a couple of bucks. To a division rival of all teams, I think that's what I dont like the most about it. The fact that he signed in Chicago. Were the contracts not very similar? Detroit offering about the same amount for 10 years? Or was it considerably less? I forgot. Perhaps I am dishing hate where it doesnt really belong.

Care to pull up that info?

And, generally, if a player jumps ship from Detroit for whatever reason, I tend to then dislike that player. There are exceptions, Hossa's not one of them.

I hope not, thats a long time... I mean, how many years do you think Zetterberg has left in him?

I dont like Zetterberg's contract either, he's got a problematic back and I dont think he's gonna finish his contract either. I think they should have signed him more to something in the 5-8yr range instead. Knock on wood.

[Theophany 110]

He left town over a couple of bucks. To a division rival of all teams, I think that's what I dont like the most about it. The fact that he signed in Chicago. Were the contracts not very similar? Detroit offering about the same amount for 10 years? Or was it considerably less? I forgot. Perhaps I am dishing hate where it doesnt really belong.

It was considerably less to stay in Detroit, and Detroit wasn't willing to offer him the 12 years that the Hawks did.

[FedorovGurl 2]

I don't miss him. But I wish him well, he always seemed like a decent enough guy.