12/20 GDT: Red Wings 0 at Blackhawks 3

[Guest Blackhawkdown]

Oh, I definitely agree with you, don't get me wrong. To mash together two clichés: s*** happens; that's life.

But to assert that more can be concluded from this game other than the Red Wings didn't play well and the Hawks played well, and that obviously the Red Wings are at a disadvantage (possibly severe, depending on your opinion of how talent stacks up), you're coming to false conclusions based on data that isn't present.

My comments aren't all aimed precisely at you; I'm more trying to hit Blackhawk nation with the posts that I'm putting up, as I've seen some incredibly asinine assertions like "we'd dominate the Wings even if they were healthy!"

I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to rake you over the coals you for something you didn't say in the first place.

In my defense, though, Blackhawk nation is getting a little uppity for essentially kicking a dude in the nuts when he's already been shot in both legs and one of his arms.

It's all good, I just had to talk a little trash because it was a shut-out, thats all. I realise this game doesnt mean a whole lot other than us getting 2 points. I wont get cocky until we beat you when it actually matters. I am happy about how the Hawks have been playing, but its just way to early to get overly excited about any win. However, injuries or not, any win over the Red Wings is nice, seeing as how that has happened very often over the years.

[Guest Blackhawkdown]

4 stanley cups in the past 13 seasons, mmmmm you have no idea as a s***hawk fan how great of a feeling it is to proudly see your team raise hockey's ultimate prize and then get s***tered with all your buddy's for nights on end reminicing in your team's glory. Maybe at some point in your lifetime, the s***hawks might actually do something to warrant you trash talking an injury decimated Red Wing's team. Hell who am I kidding? What the hell have you guys even done the past 15 seasons? How many playoff series did you win? Haha I laugh at your joke of a franchise, Hawk fans can't say s***

We really have no argument against this, because what you say is true. However, we finally have a team we can actually brag about, so we have to take full advantage

In the end though, until we get it done in the playoffs we really can only brag so much. Last season was nice because nobody expected us to make it to the WCF, so last season was a success. Now, we are picked as one of the teams that have a chance for the Cup, so now the expectations are very high.

[under_par_00 45]

At the end of the day it really doesnt matter how many excuses you make about injuries. Simple fact is the headline reads Blackhawks - 3 Red Wings - 0. Injuries happen, you have to win dispite them, and you didnt, you got shut-out and gave a pretty piss poor effort in doing so.

I just hope you guys actually show up to play Wednesday, and actually you know, score a goal.

This injured Red Wings team is no match for a healthy Blackhawks team. I don't know why you think otherwise. You surely have no confidence in the talent level of your team if you think that the depleted lineup the Wings are icing could put up a challenge against an angry Hawks team looking to prove themselves against the league's best team in the past 15 years. Either no confidence, or no knowledge of hockey whatsoever.

Go ahead, keep rubbing it in, your team shut ours out. I can only hope that the Wings are healthy in April, and the Hawks can, you know, actually win more than one game.

[canadian wings fan 305]

Good, I just want Hawks fans to understand they beat the Detroit Griffins, not the Detroit Red Wings. The true test was for you guys was last year in the WCF and you s*** the bed. Beat us in the playoffs, and then win back to back stanley cups and then it will warrant the "Red Wings suck" chants you dumb yanks yell everytime you play us

[Guest Blackhawkdown]

The true test was for you guys was last year in the WCF and you s*** the bed.

I dont think this is fair, because we were a young, inexperienced team. Thats not an excuse, but to be honest nobody thought we would beat a better, more experienced Red Wing team. The fact that we even made it was enough for most Blackhawk fans, giving that we hadnt even been in the playoffs in awile. Last season was a learning experience, this season we expect to do better.

Beat us in the playoffs, and then win back to back stanley cups and then it will warrant the "Red Wings suck" chants you dumb yanks yell everytime you play us

Well, you have to make the playoffs first, and you are currently in 9th place

We intend to, if you guys make it.

[canadian wings fan 305]

You don't have to keep saying "if" we make it, the Detroit Red Wings will be in the 2010 NHL playoffs and that's a fact.

[Guest Blackhawkdown]

In all honestly, I think some of you are underestimating your team a little. You have all these injuries, and have had them most of the season, and you still have posted a 18-13-5 record. Given the circumstances, and how tough the WC is this season, thats pretty damn good. Yes, the Blackhawks should beat your current roster, especially at home, but your team is not as bad as some of you are trying to make it seem. If you think so then obviously you being so dominate for so long makes you a little spoiled.

So even though we should win, doesnt mean that this team shouldnt be able to give us more of a challenge than they did. And I fully expect them to when we play Wednesday.

[canadian wings fan 305]

Everyone on this board is underestimating the wings. It seems like the majority of this board feel like we won't make the playoffs. Well guess what guys, our injured players will be returning sooner than later, and then we will begin to win games like we used to. I'm sorry but when your top 6 consists of names like, Eaves, Leino, Miller, Helm and even Bertuzzi and Holmstrom then things are hurting. We will continue to lose hockey games until we get healthy players back. Every game we win until then is a miracle, and should be savored.

[under_par_00 45]

In all honestly, I think some of you are underestimating your team a little. You have all these injuries, and have had them most of the season, and you still have posted a 18-13-5 record. Given the circumstances, and how tough the WC is this season, thats pretty damn good. Yes, the Blackhawks should beat your current roster, especially at home, but your team is not as bad as some of you are trying to make it seem. If you think so then obviously you being so dominate for so long makes you a little spoiled.

So even though we should win, doesnt mean that this team shouldnt be able to give us more of a challenge than they did. And I fully expect them to when we play Wednesday.

For f***s sake, our second line is Leino - Abdelkader - Eaves. You could make an argument for all 3 of them to be playing in the AHL.

The Wings will give a better effort Wednesday for sure. They will be at home and slightly more pissed off after the shutout. I still expect the Hawks to get the 2 points. This time it will be 3-1 Hawks. The Hawks are simply too stacked for this Wings team to compete with.

[Guest mindfly]

Absolute disgraceful performance by everyone, but still it can't be fun for a superstar like datsyuk to be the lone good player... freakin one-man team..can't do everything by himself.

Lidstrom is starting to piss me off, all his talking in his interviews but he doesnt show anything on the ice.. how can one decline so much, he was the greatest D in the 07-08 season.... un-freakin-believeable.

[Guest Shoreline]

Injuries or no injuries you still got shut out. And yes, the fans are going to talk a little trash because of this. There is a difference in getting beat by the better, healthier team, and then getting shut out by that team. This is still the Red Wings, they still have a lot of talent on their roster that played, so getting shut out by the Hawks should be a little embarressing. Once you guys got down by 3 goals, it seems you just gave up.

Like I said, this wasnt a statement game, but to dominate you like the Hawks did is saying something, whether you want to admit it or not. You can make any excuse you want but that doesnt change the fact that you got shut out by a rival, and we earned two points in the standing and you earned none.

lol?

It's obvious because you're a Blackhawks fan you're going to make this game far bigger than what it was. Much like Blues fans did when they shut out the Wings a few weeks ago. At least be honest with yourself that this game means near-infinitely more to you than it does to this team and fans, and nobody expected the Wings to fare well (besides maybe some awesome optimistic Wings fans) anyhow in this game -- a handful of posts were just praying the Wings didn't get completely annihilated or further injured. Might wanna check the first few pages of this very topic, in addition to the nice Hawk fan that came to apologize in advance for *ahem* certain posters that might be hilariously tooting their own horn for no reason at all.

Hawks and Blues fans remind me so much of Red Sox fans a handful of years back.

Edited December 21, 2009 by Shoreline

[Guest Blackhawkdown]

lol?

It's obvious because you're a Blackhawks fan you're going to make this game far bigger than what it was. Much like Blues fans did when they shut out the Wings a few weeks ago. At least be honest with yourself that this game means near-infinitely more to you than it does to this team and fans, and nobody expected the Wings to fare well (besides maybe some awesome optimistic Wings fans) anyhow in this game -- a handful of posts were just praying the Wings didn't get completely annihilated or further injured. Might wanna check the first few pages of this very topic, in addition to the nice Hawk fan that came to apologize in advance for *ahem* certain posters that might be hilariously tooting their own horn for no reason at all.

Hawks and Blues fans remind me so much of Red Sox fans a handful of years back.

Red Wing fans just tried to downplay this game because they had absolutely no chance of winning it, thats all that was. Preparing for the loss if you will so it takes away a little of the sting. However, dont think anyone figured it would be a shut-out, so that made it sting just a little

For the record, where did I say this game was that big? I am just having a little fun because it was a shut-out, you havent seen me anywhere claim this game was some kind of statement game or anything.

[Guest Shoreline]

Red Wing fans just tried to downplay this game because they had absolutely no chance of winning it, thats all that was. Preparing for the loss if you will so it takes away a little of the sting. However, dont think anyone figured it would be a shut-out, so that made it sting just a little

For the record, where did I say this game was that big? I am just having a little fun because it was a shut-out, you havent seen me anywhere claim this game was some kind of statement game or anything.

Hardly no chance at all, but realistically, it was one the Wings weren't playing good odds on given the circumstances. And yes, you might want to read your own posts on top of those from the beginning of this thread (and maybe that Hawk fan's posts one more time for good measure). For suggesting it wasn't a statement game, you turned around to say that the results say something? Say what, exactly? Duh. A statement game, obviously, so regardless of what you claim, how you're acting and even contradictions in your post suggest otherwise. The statement is completely injured team that is losing to bad teams, as well as good ones, lost to one that is not only healthy but atop the standings. But the more interesting statement is Hawk fans have an inferiority complex toward the Wings like Red Sox fans had toward the Yankees. I dunno why we don't exploit this more often.

[Vladifan 680]

I must be one of the only people that loves it when they chant "Detroit Sucks". It's a tremendous show of respect that they have for the Red Wings. It's not classless, it's FUNNY as hell.

To repeat...I was born and raised on the south side of Chicago. And the Hawks' fans do nothing but embarrass me. It asolutely freaks me out that they seem to have no minds of their own. They can't even identify with their own team let alone cheer for them before screaming "Detroit sucks". They remind me of the Oklahoma fans and their all-encompassing hatred and jealousy of Texas. They do the "horns down" signal and they are all of a sudden complete. Absolutely NO identity of their own. ALL they know is to be "against".

Hawks fans have the IQ of a kumquat and the temperament of Barry Bonds without his steroids and it is nothing but pitiful.

Edited December 21, 2009 by Vladifan

[Vladifan 680]

It will be a close game, but Ozzy will let in some weak goals.

Wings lose 6-3

And as it turns out, our team will spend at least 2/3 of their time defending their end of the ice and not moving the puck out.

[Vladifan 680]

Yep, "Detroit Sucks". At least they got the right team this time. I suppose if you yell it at every game, you'll get the right team sooner or later.

Speaking of Sucks, yesterday in the GDT, I made a joking comment, which apparently some people took seriously. I want to publicly apologize to Loo. I'm sorry for what I said, and that some people took it seriously.

LGW!!!

Seriously they took it seriously??!!

[Dave82RWS 41]

Dude, half our lineup is out. It's like having you play without Toews, Hossa, Versteeg, Campbell and others but I don't know the Hawks lineup well enough. The Hawks are playing great hockey and no game against them with a healthy wings team is a sure win, but our injuries play a huge factor, it's not an excuse, just the facts.

Funny you mentioned Toews and Hossa. 2 players who have missed time this year. Add Bolland, Eager, Burish, Seabrook and Barker to that list as well. Dont bother bringing up Campbell as he is absolutely awful. Most hawks fans would tell you that too. Despite all that, and having Huet and a rookie in goal, they are still 23-8-3.

[Vladifan 680]

My problem is trolls like you and Pucks. Have you even posted in this thread until Ozzy let in the third one?

He lets in a s***ty goal, then douchebags come in and pile on. You're worse than Chicago fans coming here.

I did watch them. The first one was a deflection. OK, let's be honest, you hate Osgood. So you lurk until he plays like s***, then eagerly post in the thread to talk about how s***ty he is. That's trolling.

Got to agree with this take. At this point in the game we had ten shots on goal. Our guys spent way too much time in our end. NObody played well. Meanwhile, Howard also lets in soft goals when he's in, remember? Oz hasn't played all that much. BUT IT'S OZZIE'S FAULT. ALL OF IT.

It's waaay to easy to go back for the four millionth time and blame the Oz. OR "the goalie". Get frickin' real.

[Dave82RWS 41]

4 stanley cups in the past 13 seasons, mmmmm you have no idea as a s***hawk fan how great of a feeling it is to proudly see your team raise hockey's ultimate prize and then get s***tered with all your buddy's for nights on end reminicing in your team's glory. Maybe at some point in your lifetime, the s***hawks might actually do something to warrant you trash talking an injury decimated Red Wing's team. Hell who am I kidding? What the hell have you guys even done the past 15 seasons? How many playoff series did you win? Haha I laugh at your joke of a franchise, Hawk fans can't say s***

From 1955 - 1997 we couldnt say s*** either. Then things changed.

They are changing in Chicago as we speak. They are trying to build a team that will be competitive for years just the way the wings did. All it took was a stone age owner to croak.

Edited December 21, 2009 by Dave82RWS

[Vladifan 680]

Reason more for Osgood to step up...

jeeeeeeeeezzzussssssssssssssss....OK, back on the "ignore list".......

[Vladifan 680]

If Osgood were emotionally weak, he'd have left Detroit long ago and stayed gone, given the attitude Wings fans have about goalies. As far as being a Hall of Famer, how many goalies of Osgood's era can claim the same accomplishments he has? Martin Brodeur? Dominik Hasek? Ed Belfour? Those guys are all HOFers or will be. I know Luongo is going to come up, so will someone tell me what Luongo has done that Osgood hasn't? Luongo's only accomplishment is a two Second-Team selections. Osgood has one of those, plus tons more. Osgood has a HOF resume. Luongo is 30 years old and his resume is not terribly strong. He has won a couple of international tournaments but has ultimately not earned the awards or stats to give him a Hall-worthy resume. Luongo has several years left, but at his age do you think he can win the awards or show the playoff ability that would tip him over?

If you think of a Hall of Famer as the best guys from a certain era, Osgood is a lock. During Ozzie's career, few goalies can compare with his consistent winning ability and impressive playoff performances.

Thanks for taking the time, although I'm quite sure it.will.not.make.a.dent.

[Vladifan 680]

Damn, I just love that song!!!

I'll just bet you don't have any voice left at all, you precious little kumquat.

[Vladifan 680]

Actually, I'm not just happy over just this one game. I am definitely looking at the bigger picture. This has beena great season overall and one of the best starts I've see as a 'Hawks fan. I think the future is looking pretty bright on the westside of Chicago.

Why don't you just wait and check back with us around the middle of April, oh Big Picture Looker?

[Vladifan 680]

Injuries or no injuries you still got shut out. And yes, the fans are going to talk a little trash because of this. There is a difference in getting beat by the better, healthier team, and then getting shut out by that team. This is still the Red Wings, they still have a lot of talent on their roster that played, so getting shut out by the Hawks should be a little embarressing. Once you guys got down by 3 goals, it seems you just gave up.

Like I said, this wasnt a statement game, but to dominate you like the Hawks did is saying something, whether you want to admit it or not. You can make any excuse you want but that doesnt change the fact that you got shut out by a rival, and we earned two points in the standing and you earned none.

No s***, sherlock? THIS is all you know! You come here because you're juuust still feeling inferior enough to have to do it. I don't care WHO trolls, the reasons and motivations are always the same. It comes out of an inferiority complex about whatever/whoever you're a fan of. And instead of being happy amongs yourselves, it's more important for you to come and troll. How sad for you.

[Vladifan 680]

It's all good, I just had to talk a little trash because it was a shut-out, thats all. I realise this game doesnt mean a whole lot other than us getting 2 points. I wont get cocky until we beat you when it actually matters. I am happy about how the Hawks have been playing, but its just way to early to get overly excited about any win. However, injuries or not, any win over the Red Wings is nice, seeing as how that has happened very often over the years.

:rotflmao: