We Should Have Gooned it Up These Last Two Games

[newfy 695]

Oh, you're right---now I remember. Chicago beat us in the western conference finals last season, and in the process they put one of our players in the hospital with an incredibly dirty hit. We seriously need revenge, and it'd absolutely fire the team up if they settled the score! I'm sure they're chomping at the bit for it!

No, wait... we obliterated Chicago in the WCF last season, and the closest thing to an injurious play was Kronwall's hit on Havlat. This team does not have any accumulated animosity towards Chicago. Fighting random people just because of some mild divisional rivalry will fire them up not at all.

Have you ever written a thesis paper before?

Was it not last year against chicago where our captain, one of the greatest defenseman to ever play the game and cleanest players in the game almost had his testicles removed by some idiot?

[Guest Crymson]

Was it not last year against chicago where our captain, one of the greatest defenseman to ever play the game and cleanest players in the game almost had his testicles removed by some idiot?

In order to show you why your comparison has absolutely no validity, I'll list some important facts on the situation you're referring to:

• It is vanishingly unlikely that Sharp was attempting to target Lidstrom's testicles.
• Sharp later apologized to Lidstrom.
• Lidstrom was of the opinion that his injury was the result of an accident, and he accepted Sharp's apology.
• In general there was little---if any---significant anger about the affair on the part of the team or the community.

In contrast, Lemieux laid down a deliberately dirty and immensely dangerous hit on Draper that shattered the latter's face; he refused to apologize; he adopted a 'no care' and nonchalant manner about it to the media; and with all of this, he infuriated the team and made himself public enemy #1 in Detroit.

Sharp is not hated by the team, and he is not hated by the fans.

Edited December 24, 2009 by Crymson

[newfy 695]

In order to show you why your comparison has absolutely no validity, I'll list some important facts on the situation you're referring to:

• It is vanishingly unlikely that Sharp was attempting to target Lidstrom's testicles.
• Sharp later apologized to Lidstrom.
• Lidstrom was of the opinion that his injury was the result of an accident, and he accepted Sharp's apology.
• In general there was little---if any---significant anger about the affair on the part of the team or the community.

In contrast, Lemieux laid down a deliberately dirty and immensely dangerous hit on Draper that shattered the latter's face; he refused to apologize; he adopted a 'no care' and nonchalant manner about it to the media; and with all of this, he infuriated the team and made himself public enemy #1 in Detroit.

Sharp is not hated by the team, and he is not hated by the fans.

First off, you can't prove he didn't target his testicles. Even if he wasn't going for them he was still trying to spear him in the gut pretty damn hard if Lids needed surgery after the incident.

Second, let me spear you in the balls then just say sorry after your operation and see if you're not mad at all anymore. The pope would probably be pissed about that for god's sake.

Third, Lidstrom is a classy guy that wouldn't want a war of words in the press so of course he's going to accept the apology.

Fourth, are you in the dressing room? You don't know how pissed any of them actually were and what they say in the press rarely reflects how any of them feel.

I'm not saying the Sharp incident is as bad as Lemieux because it clearly wasn't but it was stilla dirty play and much worst then Kronwall on Havlat. A pro hockey player can't just accidentally shove his stick into a guys sack hard enough to require surgery. They are pros there had to be some intent there, its not like he sneezed and accidentally shoved his stick between Lids legs.

[cjm502 165]

On the occasions when Wings have gone out there looking for fights, were they not respectable?

I was pointing out that we do not go out just to start fights. The Wings don't play like the Ducks, Flyers, or the Flames. Sure, May has gone out looking for blood, but he is probably one of the classiest guys on the Wings.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I was pointing out that we do not go out just to start fights. The Wings don't play like the Ducks, Flyers, or the Flames. Sure, May has gone out looking for blood, but he is probably one of the classiest guys on the Wings.

If you think May is classy, then you haven't been watching hockey for very long.

His career is riddled with classless, dirty acts. He's always been one of the most hated tough guys in the league.

[Guest Crymson]

First off, you can't prove he didn't target his testicles. Even if he wasn't going for them he was still trying to spear him in the gut pretty damn hard if Lids needed surgery after the incident.

Second, let me spear you in the balls then just say sorry after your operation and see if you're not mad at all anymore. The pope would probably be pissed about that for god's sake.

Third, Lidstrom is a classy guy that wouldn't want a war of words in the press so of course he's going to accept the apology.

Fourth, are you in the dressing room? You don't know how pissed any of them actually were and what they say in the press rarely reflects how any of them feel.

I'm not saying the Sharp incident is as bad as Lemieux because it clearly wasn't but it was stilla dirty play and much worst then Kronwall on Havlat. A pro hockey player can't just accidentally shove his stick into a guys sack hard enough to require surgery. They are pros there had to be some intent there, its not like he sneezed and accidentally shoved his stick between Lids legs.

I'll stick to the point, as concerns your argument: Does the Wings` fanbase vehemently despise Sharp? Does the team carry a heated dislike for Sharp, such that they'll go after him at any opportunity?

The answer is no. He does not compare to Claude Lemieux in even the slightest manner, for the purposes of this argument.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I'll stick to the point, as concerns your argument: Does the Wings` fanbase vehemently despise Sharp? Does the team carry a heated dislike for Sharp, such that they'll go after him at any opportunity?

The answer is no. He does not compare to Claude Lemieux in even the slightest manner, for the purposes of this argument.

I do.

Even though he got beatdown by Lilja and Kopecky, he still has the gall to spear our captain in the nuts, and then apologize for it, as if it was accidental. He's just as bad as Shane Doan.

As of now, I'm going to put Sharp on my hate list over on dropyourgloves. You've angered me into doing so.

[newfy 695]

I'll stick to the point, as concerns your argument: Does the Wings` fanbase vehemently despise Sharp? Does the team carry a heated dislike for Sharp, such that they'll go after him at any opportunity?

The answer is no. He does not compare to Claude Lemieux in even the slightest manner, for the purposes of this argument.

I'm pretty sure this argument was that the Kronwall hit was the closest thing to a cheapshot intended to injure someone in our series last year. I proved that you were wrong.

I have also stated I know it wasn't nearly as bad as the Draper incident. But also if us fans would've seen how it happened and Lidstrom dropped to the ice immediately after instead of finishing the season then having surgery, I think we would have all felt much differently about Sharp.

If you don't have a little hate for Sharp after what he did to our captain, there is seriously somewthing wrong with you.

[stuck in socal 56]

Ever since Lids got speared in the nuts his game has been worse. F U SHARP!

[newfy 695]

Ever since Lids got speared in the nuts his game has been worse. F U SHARP!

I was just tihnking about that earlier today. Perhaps LIdstom's game has went downhill so much offensively this year because of his surgery in the offseason.

[Guest Crymson]

I'm pretty sure this argument was that the Kronwall hit was the closest thing to a cheapshot intended to injure someone in our series last year. I proved that you were wrong.

I have also stated I know it wasn't nearly as bad as the Draper incident. But also if us fans would've seen how it happened and Lidstrom dropped to the ice immediately after instead of finishing the season then having surgery, I think we would have all felt much differently about Sharp.

If you don't have a little hate for Sharp after what he did to our captain, there is seriously somewthing wrong with you.

No, my argument was that Sharp's actions didn't generate anything even remotely in the ballpark of what Lemieux's hit on Draper did, and so 'gooning it up' on the Blackhawks would do absolutely nothing in the realm of what the brawl with the Avalanche in '97 did for the team.

[newfy 695]

No, my argument was that Sharp's actions didn't generate anything even remotely in the ballpark of what Lemieux's hit on Draper did, and so 'gooning it up' on the Blackhawks would do absolutely nothing in the realm of what the brawl with the Avalanche in '97 did for the team.

Not to the extreme that 1997 did but it could have done something slong the same lines of that.

And Sharp's actions were never in question to be as bad as the draper incident. If thats what you were arguing that entire time then you really wasted your time preaching to the choir.

[Marty Barry 230]

In order to show you why your comparison has absolutely no validity, I'll list some important facts on the situation you're referring to:

• It is vanishingly unlikely that Sharp was attempting to target Lidstrom's testicles.
• Sharp later apologized to Lidstrom.
• Lidstrom was of the opinion that his injury was the result of an accident, and he accepted Sharp's apology.
• In general there was little---if any---significant anger about the affair on the part of the team or the community.

In contrast, Lemieux laid down a deliberately dirty and immensely dangerous hit on Draper that shattered the latter's face; he refused to apologize; he adopted a 'no care' and nonchalant manner about it to the media; and with all of this, he infuriated the team and made himself public enemy #1 in Detroit.

Sharp is not hated by the team, and he is not hated by the fans.

Bulls***! I hate him. Lids is being politically correct with the media. And, I'll bet, Lids' wife hates him!

[seeinred 1,488]

To think that "sending a message" actually sends a message is a little näive. Nobody in the NHL plays scared because they got hit or got roughed up in a scrum at the end of a blowout.

Now, I would've loved to see it too because I love rough stuff as much as anybody, but I really don't think it serves much of a purpose, so I'm not real concerned that the Wings didn't goon it up.

I do want to see Abs drop the gloves every few games though.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Well - back to back shutouts by a division rival certainly doesn't boost confidence either.

There isn't always a magical way to boost team morale and confidence in the team.

[Guest micah]

There isn't always a magical way to boost team morale and confidence in the team.

Linebrawl!

[newfy 695]

To think that "sending a message" actually sends a message is a little näive. Nobody in the NHL plays scared because they got hit or got roughed up in a scrum at the end of a blowout.

Now, I would've loved to see it too because I love rough stuff as much as anybody, but I really don't think it serves much of a purpose, so I'm not real concerned that the Wings didn't goon it up.

I do want to see Abs drop the gloves every few games though.

I think gooning it up at the end of a game does send a little bit of a message. You don't think Mike Brown hitting Hudler was in the back of Jiri's mind everytime he was on the ice with Brown?

People in the NHL are people too, they aren't super heros they can be inimidated.

And yes I agree 100% I would love to see Abs starting pounding people, he's shown he's capable and has had oppurtunities. I think its just a matter of time until he gets comfortable up here and starts fighting more. With the physical style he plays people are going to be challenging him left and right once he makes a name as a big hitter and I look forward to see how he handles it.

[seeinred 1,488]

I think gooning it up at the end of a game does send a little bit of a message. You don't think Mike Brown hitting Hudler was in the back of Jiri's mind everytime he was on the ice with Brown?

People in the NHL are people too, they aren't super heros they can be inimidated.

And yes I agree 100% I would love to see Abs starting pounding people, he's shown he's capable and has had oppurtunities. I think its just a matter of time until he gets comfortable up here and starts fighting more. With the physical style he plays people are going to be challenging him left and right once he makes a name as a big hitter and I look forward to see how he handles it.

I think the fact that Hudler got cranked may have made him keep his head up a little better, but I really strongly doubt he was any more afraid of Brown or the Ducks because of it.

I'm not against gooning it up when you're gonna lose, and I think it's a whole hell of a lot of fun to watch, but I definitely think people overestimate the effects it can have.

[newfy 695]

I think the fact that Hudler got cranked may have made him keep his head up a little better, but I really strongly doubt he was any more afraid of Brown or the Ducks because of it.

I'm not against gooning it up when you're gonna lose, and I think it's a whole hell of a lot of fun to watch, but I definitely think people overestimate the effects it can have.

I disagree, when someone is bleedingall over the ice like that the red wings are gonna tae notice ofthat. If they notice Brown on the ice with them and hear footsteps coming when they have the puck theyre gonna move it a little quicker or make a play maybe they wouldn't have made ebfore.

Its the same as when Kronwall steps up on a winger breaking out of the zone, you think that guy is going to try to get his head up, take his time and make a tape to tape pass if he thinks Kronwall is comign at him again? I sure as hell don't.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

I disagree, when someone is bleedingall over the ice like that the red wings are gonna tae notice ofthat. If they notice Brown on the ice with them and hear footsteps coming when they have the puck theyre gonna move it a little quicker or make a play maybe they wouldn't have made ebfore.

Its the same as when Kronwall steps up on a winger breaking out of the zone, you think that guy is going to try to get his head up, take his time and make a tape to tape pass if he thinks Kronwall is comign at him again? I sure as hell don't.

That isn't "gooning" it up, though.

Brown's hit was legal. It was a legal play that you can possibly get no matter where you are on the ice and at any stage in any game, rival or not.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I still want someone to explain why Babcock sends May out there for staged fights, but doesn't send him out for these situations?

I'd rather see May fighting these last 2 games, then see him fight Barch in one of their friendlies.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I still don't get why some still expect or get disappointed when the Wings don't "goon it up" when they have not been this type of team for a good bit and probably won't be for a while. Not sure why you would be setting yourself up to get heartburn over and over again.

[thedisappearer 291]

I still want someone to explain why Babcock sends May out there for staged fights, but doesn't send him out for these situations?

Because staged fights are not "gooning it up", hich the Wings don't do anymore. Seriously, the early 90's called...

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I still don't get why some still expect or get disappointed when the Wings don't "goon it up" when they have not been this type of team for a good bit and probably won't be for a while. Not sure why you would be setting yourself up to get heartburn over and over again.

That's like telling Panthers or Thrashers fans to not watch their team play anymore.

I don't get why you come on threads like these and tell everyone that they're wasting their time discussing this, when you know they will anyway and will ignore you.

Edited December 26, 2009 by GMRwings1983

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

I still want someone to explain why Babcock sends May out there for staged fights, but doesn't send him out for these situations?

I'd rather see May fighting these last 2 games, then see him fight Barch in one of their friendlies.

He doesn't send May out for "staged fights." He sends May out there to play the role of a fourth liner who fights on occassion. May makes his own decisions on how and when he fights.