miller76 463 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 Not an accurate comparison at all. Carcillo is actually a very gifted hockey player. You honestly believe he is out there for any other reason? Open your eyes. A minus 16 in his career and 782 pim. Gifted fighter maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 Gaborik can handle himself. He dropped them with Carcillo and Cillo did what any fighter would do: fight and give no quarter. Nothing wrong with that. I prefer this over the staged fighting. agreed. I hate those staged fights where the guys "fight" each other and then go in the box and joke around... thats my problem with May... Its kind of embarrassing imo... fights like Eaves vs Versteeg is what is supposed to happen: real, passionate fights with legit reasons Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 You honestly believe he is out there for any other reason? Open your eyes. A minus 16 in his career and 782 pim. Gifted fighter maybe. No, I do not. Way to put words in my mouth. I said he's a very gifted hockey player, much like Sean Avery, which he most certainly is. Gretzky himself said that Carcillo has all the tools and skill to be a 30-goal scorer someday. He won't ever do it, but the potential is most certainly there. Yes, he pays more attention to the physical and enforcing aspect of the game, nobody is questioning that, but anyone who can't see that the guy has a good sense for the game and hands to back it up is just delusional. Do your research. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 No, I do not. Way to put words in my mouth. I said he's a very gifted hockey player, much like Sean Avery, which he most certainly is. Gretzky himself said that Carcillo has all the tools and skill to be a 30-goal scorer someday. He won't ever do it, but the potential is most certainly there. Yes, he pays more attention to the physical and enforcing aspect of the game, nobody is questioning that, but anyone who can't see that the guy has a good sense for the game and hands to back it up is just delusional. Do your research. Not sure how your having words being put in your mouth, but okay. And secondly, Sean Avery's purpose on the ice, is not identical of a Daniel Carcillo. Avery is a proven moron, who has somehow found a place in the game. And is actually good at what he does. Carcillo goes around looking for a fight, like a bully. Gifted player or not, Carcillo is not equipped to carry Gretzky's luggage. And to take a quote from Gretzky like you did, and use it as a valid arguing point is laughable. What coach, while being interviewed, at one point doesn't say something nice about one of his players? And in response to the Carcillo goal video you needed to further your baseless argument, I can't sit here and say it wasn't a good goal. But I can say that you probably didn't have to search long for that. Why don't you do some research and hit the stats page one of these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Howard He Do It?! Report post Posted January 22, 2010 Gaborik dropped the gloves and Carcillo isn't one to back away from a fight. Gaborik knew what he was getting into. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teebo 22 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 No, I do not. Way to put words in my mouth. I said he's a very gifted hockey player, much like Sean Avery, which he most certainly is. Gretzky himself said that Carcillo has all the tools and skill to be a 30-goal scorer someday. He won't ever do it, but the potential is most certainly there. Yes, he pays more attention to the physical and enforcing aspect of the game, nobody is questioning that, but anyone who can't see that the guy has a good sense for the game and hands to back it up is just delusional. Do your research. thats nothing more than a coach trying to give his player confidence, carcillo is not a gifted hockey player lol. hes a fighter/agitater and thats it. marek malik had a nice shootout goal once before, i bet you think he's a 30 goal scorer waiting to happen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pucks 66 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 That was just stupid. Someone else should have jumped in there. Gaborik has been their entire offense this year. Can you imagine if he got a concussion or broke his hand fighting? Props for Gaborik for trying to stand up there, but the coach must have been holding his breath. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted January 22, 2010 I respect both Gabby and Carcillo more after this event than I did before it. Gabby: Unafraid, willing to pick a fight with a known fighter instead of just throw a facewash and wait for the linesmen to save him. Carcillo for doing his job in a respectful way - when challenged, Carcillo has to fight. He does and does well, but instead of going in for the kill he backs off when his opponent is clearly outmatched. Good on both of them, and good for the game of hockey! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 This is exactly the same as Suter not kicking the s*** out of Hossa when he "dropped the gloves". Good on Carcillo for not completely destroying that cute little bird caught too far from his nest. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 I don't have any problem with this. Initially it almost looks like Gaborik is the one who wants to fight. If Carcillo could just control his tempter incidents (Ã la Bradley etc.) he'd be a good guy to have. I really like the Flyers fourth line, and after the Wings, they're the team I support the most (the only NHL game I've ever seen was in Philadelphia). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowknife Redwing 57 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 You could edit this video and superimpose absolutely anybody's head onto Gaborik's body and nobody would be saying a word. If Gabby didn't understand the risks, he never would have tangled with the other team's tough guy, let alone dropped his gloves first. He was asking for a serious beating and got off the hook lightly. People who are complaining about this indicent need to go watch soccer or tennis, because this is a microcosm of how the NHL works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 Why wasn't Brashear dressed for this Flyers game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blues_demitra38 11 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 This situation was similar to the potential fight between Ovechkin and Steve Downie about a week ago. What's wrong with a star player willing to throw down? It's not like they do it on a regular basis. And they need to let off some steam like anybody else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XxGoWingsxX 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 i absolutely LOVE how the announcers were gettin on carcillo for goin after gaborik. Watch closely...who drops their gloves first? Yeahhh, gaborik throws his first glove down before carcillo threw the first punch. It's not like carcillo wailed on him either...he won the fight but we all know he could have done much much worse to marion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Howard He Do It?! Report post Posted January 22, 2010 The correct title would be "Carcillo beats up Gaborik's shield tonight." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 Wow. What a chickens*** move. It takes a big man to go after Gaborik. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Howard He Do It?! Report post Posted January 22, 2010 Wow. What a chickens*** move. It takes a big man to go after Gaborik. Gaborik dropped his gloves first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XxGoWingsxX 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 Gaborik dropped his gloves first. Yup, Gaborik knew full well who he was tangling with, yet he was the first one to throw the gloves to the ice. Not carcillo's problem marion didn't' just back down. and props to Gaborik for not backing down as well. I have to say though, I would absolutely CRINGE seeing someone like hank or pavs do the same thing lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 Whats with the Carcillo hate on here? Gaborik dropped the gloves first, Carcillo held him up and stopped throwing when he went down. Nothing wrong with that. Id love Carcillo to be a Wing. Along with Avery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted January 22, 2010 Whats with the Carcillo hate on here? Gaborik dropped the gloves first, Carcillo held him up and stopped throwing when he went down. Nothing wrong with that. Id love Carcillo to be a Wing. Along with Avery. People are mad that Carcillo wasn't enforcing on the PP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted January 23, 2010 Not sure how your having words being put in your mouth, but okay. And secondly, Sean Avery's purpose on the ice, is not identical of a Daniel Carcillo. Avery is a proven moron, who has somehow found a place in the game. And is actually good at what he does. Carcillo goes around looking for a fight, like a bully. Gifted player or not, Carcillo is not equipped to carry Gretzky's luggage. And to take a quote from Gretzky like you did, and use it as a valid arguing point is laughable. What coach, while being interviewed, at one point doesn't say something nice about one of his players? And in response to the Carcillo goal video you needed to further your baseless argument, I can't sit here and say it wasn't a good goal. But I can say that you probably didn't have to search long for that. Why don't you do some research and hit the stats page one of these days. You have still given me no evidence that Carcillo is not a gifted hockey player. http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2009020761 Watch the replay of his goal this afternoon. Yet another one proving he can play the game, and play it well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted January 23, 2010 thats nothing more than a coach trying to give his player confidence, carcillo is not a gifted hockey player lol. hes a fighter/agitater and thats it. marek malik had a nice shootout goal once before, i bet you think he's a 30 goal scorer waiting to happen! You are an idiot. Find me one, just one, instance where a coach like Ron Wilson or Randy Carlyle has said a player like Colton Orr or George Parros had the potential and tools to become a 30-goal scorer. You can't, because it has never happened. There's a difference between spewing out little compliments here and there in an effort to justify your enforcer's on-ice play, and actually commenting on his potential to be a difference-maker with the puck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted January 23, 2010 From TSN : ... "It's part of my job to fight and be physical and maybe some other stuff that I do isn't exactly in between the lines all the time, but I'm not gutless, I'm not dishonourable. I play the game pretty hard and I'm an honest player." ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted January 23, 2010 You have still given me no evidence that Carcillo is not a gifted hockey player. You haven't either. I am done with this idiotic conversation with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites