rage 24 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Maybe trade Rafalski to a contender if he waives his no-trade. Possibly Homer. These are the only guys that can give value for a playoff run. I would consider Dats or Z if we were loaded in the farm, but we are not. I'd consider Zetterberg for Kovalchuck if it meant we locked Kovalchuck up LONG TERM! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 I actually remember him getting pretty adequate time on the PP and second line toward the second half of last season. Plus, if he was truly a top 6 player, he would have shined through that third line spot and gotten pushed up. He didn't. HE DID GET PUSHED UP I JUST SAID THAT DUH And no, he didn't get ANY PP time of consequence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 HE DID GET PUSHED UP I JUST SAID THAT DUH And no, he didn't get ANY PP time of consequence. We have no choice, as its simply due to injuries. You honestly think it would take 2+ years for Babcock to slap himself on the forehead and say, "gee, actually, he DOES belong on the top two lines. Just didn't realize it until now". You are utterly insane to think he's even CLOSE to being in the same class as Malkin and Crosby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 doom and gloom. did someone really just say theyd trade away zetterberg? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 I'd consider Zetterberg for Kovalchuck if it meant we locked Kovalchuck up LONG TERM! How's Kovie killing off 5-on-3s? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) Filppula centering the second line in the past 2 previous playoff runs had nothing to due with injuries. And even more, Filppula only played half of the playoffs last year on the second line yet still came 3rd in forward scoring (that's both in points and points per game). ALSO, in the second half of the playoffs, he had 8 points in 11 games, good enough for 60 points on an 82 game season. That also matches Zetterberg's point total in that 11 game span that he played on the second line. Filppula is our 4th best forward after Z, Pav and Franzen. The numbers supports me. Edited January 28, 2010 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 How's Kovie killing off 5-on-3s? He's not. 3 other players are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 how about filpulla,rights to hudler,meech,lebda and some picks ,leino,rafalski for kovalchuck whats the best package ? i think rafalski,rights to hudler,lebda and 2 picks lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Notice gcom4523453 isn't responding because my argument is unargueagainstable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 how about filpulla,rights to hudler,meech,lebda and some picks ,leino,rafalski for kovalchuck whats the best package ? i think rafalski,rights to hudler,lebda and 2 picks lol Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Homer/Cleary Cleary/Bertuzii- Flip - Franzen Draper - Helm - Eaves Miller - Abs- May Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 LOL. No one's going anywhere...This is the team that gave Chelios, and Maltby extra years outta loyalty. I'd be shocked if Holland acquired, or sent anyone packing. Cory Cross. Just sayin'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 holsmtrom - Datsyuk - kovalchuk Bertuzzi- zetterberg - Franzen Miller - flip- williams Draper - Helm - Eaves lidstrom-kronwall stuart-ericsson kindl/lilja-janik powerplay 1 franzen-datsyuk-bertuzzi lidstrom-kovalchuk powerplay 2 holmstrom-flip-zetterberg kronwall-stuart Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clutchngrab 12 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 How's Kovie killing off 5-on-3s? s***ty, but thats what flip, eaves, helm, cleary, etc. etc. etc are for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clutchngrab 12 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 LOL. No one's going anywhere...This is the team that gave Chelios, and Maltby extra years outta loyalty. I'd be shocked if Holland acquired, or sent anyone packing. In the cap world, loyalty is meaningless. Do you really think Holland is giving these guys a free ride just because he likes what they did once upon a time? He thinks they are valuable assets - right or wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) First off, King Malice welcome to my ignore list. You honestly make me depressed at how little thought goes into your posts, to the point in which I'm losing faith and sympathy for soceity as a whole. As for the whole trade process, I can't see us being so far out of the PO race to become sellers, however I could see us potentially picking up Ray Whitney or Teemu Selanne for cheap if we want a bit more depth. Filppula centering the second line in the past 2 previous playoff runs had nothing to due with injuries. And even more, Filppula only played half of the playoffs last year on the second line yet still came 3rd in forward scoring (that's both in points and points per game). ALSO, in the second half of the playoffs, he had 8 points in 11 games, good enough for 60 points on an 82 game season. That also matches Zetterberg's point total in that 11 game span that he played on the second line. Filppula is our 4th best forward after Z, Pav and Franzen. The numbers supports me. 1st Bolded Part: Datsyuk was injured when Filppula was centerting the 2nd line. This is not an arguement but a fact. Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Hossa was our first line when he came back, and then Cleary-Zetterberg-Franzen. When we had a full lineup Filppula was NOT in the top 6. 2nd Bolded Part: So you took his best 11 games of the playoffs and then prorated them, and then claim Filppula was playing at a pace that was GASP 3 POINTS BETTER THAN JIRI HUDLER (who apparently isn't good enough for the Griffens if you ask this board)!?. Bertuzzi has 7 Goals and what 13 points in 9 games a few games ago, so if I prorated those he'd be battling for the art ross. See what I did there? 3. Wow Filppula is our 4th best forward? OMFG THANKS MAN I DIDN'T KNOW, cause you know our depth is INSANE this year. /Sarcasm. Look, I know what you are trying to say in your arguements, but you are proving things nobody is disagreeing with. Filppula is our 4th best forward this season, no one has ever disagreed that, but does that really mean anything? We are 29th in GF, being 4th on this team really dosen't mean you are a bonafide first liner, nor does it mean that we still shouldn't split him down the middle and roll 3 lines. The Wings have essentially scrub wingers incapable of creating much offense on their own (Sans Bertuzzi and Franzen), and need 3 solid playmakers down there. Disagree all you want that Filppula should be in the top 6, he deserves it, but our team is better the other way, and if you disagree then you disagree with Babcock. You aren't insituating you know more than Babcock... are you? Edited January 28, 2010 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Meh, we don't really have any reason to trade. This is a good team that has been riddled with injuries and finds ways to lose games rather than win. The one thing that I really hate and I took as a bad thing are the Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Franzen signings. They take up so much cap space and are under such ridiculous contracts that it basically makes them untradeable for a situation where we may have to become sellers. I love those 3 but I think it's always a stupid move to sign 12 year contracts. Look at DiPietro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 dude get off your own dick. just cause you drop stats and numbers you think you comment are better then other peoples?. i'm on this thread to see and talk about who I would put on the block and would like to see put up. not to talk about how much i love filpulla and want to blow him like yourself. does it make you feel tough and cool to come online and talk s*** and insult people ? i feel sad for people like you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted January 28, 2010 dude get off your own dick. just cause you drop stats and numbers you think you comment are better then other peoples?. i'm on this thread to see and talk about who I would put on the block and would like to see put up. not to talk about how much i love filpulla and want to blow him like yourself. does it make you feel tough and cool to come online and talk s*** and insult people ? i feel sad for people like you! 1) You are confusing me with another Poster Z and D and C. 2) Yes I do think my posts and pretty much everyone elses our more important and better than yours. Take for Instance your first post on this thread. Anyone with half a brain would see that that deal would not make sense for either side and is extremely improbable. There are simply too many points of ludicrous assumptions/suggestions for me to go to detail so I'll just pick a random one... WHY THE f*** WOULD ATLANTA TRADE KOVALCHUCK for a deal involving ******* RAFALSKI. Why would they trade away a top 5 forward in the league for a soon to be 37 year old Defensemen who is mediocre at best at his own zone, would not be the go to pp pointman on atlanta and is overpaid by about 2.5 million? It defys all purpose of making the trade to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 1st Bolded Part: Datsyuk was injured when Filppula was centerting the 2nd line. This is not an arguement but a fact. Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Hossa was our first line when he came back, and then Cleary-Zetterberg-Franzen. When we had a full lineup Filppula was NOT in the top 6. 2nd Bolded Part: So you took his best 11 games of the playoffs and then prorated them, and then claim Filppula was playing at a pace that was GASP 3 POINTS BETTER THAN JIRI HUDLER (who apparently isn't good enough for the Griffens if you ask this board)!?. Bertuzzi has 7 Goals and what 13 points in 9 games a few games ago, so if I prorated those he'd be battling for the art ross. See what I did there? 3. Wow Filppula is our 4th best forward? OMFG THANKS MAN I DIDN'T KNOW, cause you know our depth is INSANE this year. /Sarcasm. Look, I know what you are trying to say in your arguements, but you are proving things nobody is disagreeing with. Filppula is our 4th best forward this season, no one has ever disagreed that, but does that really mean anything? We are 29th in GF, being 4th on this team really dosen't mean you are a bonafide first liner, nor does it mean that we still shouldn't split him down the middle and roll 3 lines. The Wings have essentially scrub wingers incapable of creating much offense on their own (Sans Bertuzzi and Franzen), and need 3 solid playmakers down there. Disagree all you want that Filppula should be in the top 6, he deserves it, but our team is better the other way, and if you disagree then you disagree with Babcock. You aren't insituating you know more than Babcock... are you? 1. We are talking about the playoffs right? Datsyuk was playing when Babcock realized what he has realized before, we're a better team when Filppula is on the second line and Z & Pav are together. That was may 19th. Datsyuk then missed 6 or whatever games it and when he came back Babcock kept Filppula on the second line with Hossa and Franzen. I did forget about Pav's injury but Filppula was on the second line before his injury and after his injury so it's not relevant anyway. Look at the logs (notice ice time) http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=84675...09&view=log http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=84700...09&view=log 2. First, what does this have to do with Hudler? Second, it's not like I just picked 11 of his most productive games from the middle of nowhere like you're doing with Bertuzzi. It was the second half of the playoffs and the cutoff was when he was playing on the second line. And I'm not saying he's going to score 60 points immediately in the regular season, so you just need to take those numbers for what they are. It's like your blowing one small point way out of proportion and calling it my entire argument. 3. Yes, we have excellent depth. No sarcasm. A potential of Eaves Helm Draper as our fourth line is great depth. I'm not calling Filppula a bonafide first liner, I have no idea why you're pulling this random irrelevant bulls*** out of your ass. It's inconceivable to me to put your fourth best player as seventh on your depth chart. We have the depth to put Filppula in the top 6 so I think we should, especially if we can trade for a third line center which I think we should. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted January 28, 2010 1. We are talking about the playoffs right? Datsyuk was playing when Babcock realized what he has realized before, we're a better team when Filppula is on the second line and Z & Pav are together. That was may 19th. Datsyuk then missed 6 or whatever games it and when he came back Babcock kept Filppula on the second line with Hossa and Franzen. I did forget about Pav's injury but Filppula was on the second line before his injury and after his injury so it's not relevant anyway. Look at the logs (notice ice time) http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=84675...09&view=log http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=84700...09&view=log 2. First, what does this have to do with Hudler? Second, it's not like I just picked 11 of his most productive games from the middle of nowhere like you're doing with Bertuzzi. It was the second half of the playoffs and the cutoff was when he was playing on the second line. And I'm not saying he's going to score 60 points immediately in the regular season, so you just need to take those numbers for what they are. It's like your blowing one small point way out of proportion and calling it my entire argument. 3. Yes, we have excellent depth. No sarcasm. A potential of Eaves Helm Draper as our fourth line is great depth. I'm not calling Filppula a bonafide first liner, I have no idea why you're pulling this random irrelevant bulls*** out of your ass. It's inconceivable to me to put your fourth best player as seventh on your depth chart. We have the depth to put Filppula in the top 6 so I think we should, especially if we can trade for a third line center which I think we should. 1) So you are admitting that Filppula's promotion to the second line had just a little something to do with Datsyuk's Injury, unlike previously stated? 2) So the best 11 games that you chose came when he was playing on the second line... with Franzen and Hossa? Isn't that a bit misleading? Also, we both know exactly why I brought up Hudler 3) So I should take it that you disagree with Babcock and think you know how to run a team better right? I am not disagreeing with your assessment that Filppula is a great player, but all the points you are making are just ridiculous and filled with inaccuracies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 This is awesome, its the annual NHL10 xbox general manager fantasy thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stormboy 47 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 this thread is cracking me up. the person i could possibly see would be homer if we were way way out of the playoff hunt by the deadline because his contract is up and some teams would probably find him valuable, since he's having a good year, or at least a better-than-expected year. i think if we're even close to eighth seed by the deadline no major moves would be made. we need to get rid of some people (e.g. leino, meech/lebda) but i doubt they would have enough value to a team making a cup run to fetch anything. i also love how everything turns into either a goalie war or a filppula debate. it's amazing to me how polarizing that guy is. some people will gripe about other players (stuart especially of late) but filppula starts wars. just kind of cracks me up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik40 76 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Dats and Lidstrom for Uwe Krupp and Tim Cheveldae Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beepbeep 3 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 I don't know what's worse. This ^^^^, or watching Nancy Pelosi sitting behind Obama as he gives the State Of The Union Address!!! LOL does she dominate your dreams too? It's obvious she is a constant burr under your saddle in your waking hours since you can't even post on a HOCKEY board without bringing her up...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 first off because atlanta is not going to lose kovalchuk for nothing in the off-season,and teams know they only have to offer so much or go to a biding war after the season. second the other defense man that apparently have been offered are phanuef and sopel and rafalski might be older but is still better then the both of them. if you throw in flip and a picks or something your not going to find a better offer then this for example phanuef-joikenen, no thanks sopel-versteeg, no thanks again if i was the thrashers i would rather have rafalski-filpulla/rights to hudler or picks and i'm not saying this is going to happen it is just an idea.cockbag Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
