3/3 GDT: Canucks 6 at Red Wings 3

[gcom007 1,465]

So what would the trade have been? I love how everyone on LGW knows more than everyone in the Wings organization.

Umm....Hossa is one of the best players and top 5 goal scorers in the game....?

I would trade Flip for a roll of toilet paper if it meant signing Hossa.

No no...I can do better...

I would trade Lebda for a roll of toilet paper and then trade Flip for Lebda if it meant signing Hossa.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

I couldn't agree any more, at any point in time.

I've said numerous times, letting a truly elite superstar player like Hossa who's GREAT at both ends of the ice when he could've been signed for around $5 million a year was nothing short of INSANE!!! Pure insanity. I said it numerous times throughout last season, you do what you have to do and move who you have to move to keep a player like Hossa at $6 million let alone around $5 million...

Anything? Like keep three players with longterm contracts into their late 30s (and early 40s)?

If it is between Franzen and Hossa that is a different story, but how many long term deals do we really want?

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

So what would the trade have been? I love how everyone on LGW knows more than everyone in the Wings organization.

Umm....Hossa is one of the best players and top 5 goal scorers in the game....?

1st Part: First off the Vancouver Canucks were trying to poach Val from our team the offseason after the cup run, which would have given us a heavy return in draft picks, as the deal would have surely been over the mark for a 1st. While not a trade in itself, it still is estentially a change of assests, and one I personally advocated after looking at the cap numbers the next year. Instead Holland chose to let Filppula sign up for arbitration, which made giving offer sheets impossible, thus denying a chance to get more than market value than Filppula (we're talking Penner overpayment here people).

In addition to that, for the way you hype Filppula, do you honestly expect not one GM to bite on a chance to include him if we just asked for draft picks? I can name 29 teams that would be interested in adding a player like Val, and I'm sure some nice packages would have been available for him to the point of overpayment through desperation.

The return, regardless oh how good or bad it would've been however would be irrelevant, as the real return would be the cap space cleared to sign Hossa.

[ShanahanMan 473]

So what would the trade have been? I love how everyone on LGW knows more than everyone in the Wings organization.

As we said, at least a high draft pick. Holland said numerous times that whenever teams would inquire about trading, Filppula's name would come up quite often. The guy WAS a very wanted man. We could have gotten PLENTY. Unfortunately, Wings management, like yourself, WAY overvalued Filppula's place on this team. It has cost them.

Umm....Hossa is one of the best players and top 5 goal scorers in the game....?

You admit this and yet still value Filppula over him?

Edited March 4, 2010 by ShanahanMan

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I couldn't agree any more, at any point in time.

I've said numerous times, letting a truly elite superstar player like Hossa who's GREAT at both ends of the ice when he could've been signed for around $5 million a year was nothing short of INSANE!!! Pure insanity. I said it numerous times throughout last season, you do what you have to do and move who you have to move to keep a player like Hossa at $6 million let alone around $5 million...

Agreed completely. I wanted Hossa back last summer as well, regardless of making other players on the team expendable.

How many more seasons do we have to keep hearing about Filppula's "potential"? The guy has absolutely no goal scoring ability and the Red Wings could certainly do without another defensively responsible center. Letting Hossa go so easily was a huge blunder.

Edited March 4, 2010 by GoWings1905

[Drake_Marcus 890]

The Wings are now COMPLETELY healthy---Vancouver is playing 2nd game in 2 nights with a depleted Defense

Depressing...

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Depressing...

You don't look quite the same without that Ericsson signature

[titanium2 867]

So Z finally finds the back of the net and the Wings lose. Boooo.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Trading Filppula for just draft pics would be right up there in the worst trades ever. Period. Just straight ******* retarded.

I value Filppula over Hossa because I think he should be our second line center. I don't think splitting up Zetterberg and Datsyuk will hold up, and when it doesn't, without Flip we have no second line center. Again, the past 2 seasons, Babcock has treid splitting up Zetterberg and Datsyuk but in the vital ending moments, Val has centered the second line with Z&D playing toegther on the first. Filppula being on the third line is a complete waste of his talent. 17 points in 22 games on the second line. What else needs to be said?

Anyway, I'm sick of arguing about Filppula. Everything that can be said has been said. He puts up the points on the second line for him to deserve the spot. gcom, I hope it hurts keeps hurting more and more because Filppula isn't going anywhere.

[puckbags 863]

I don't think its quite time to talk about missing the playoffs yet but this team better at least locate their golf clubs, dust them off, get a good supply of balls and tees and put said bag of golf clubs by the front step of their million dollar houses to remind them that if they don't get their s*** together quick those golf clubs will be getting an extra 2 months of use this year.

Oh and just for the record I LOVE THIS F**KIN PLACE AFTER A LOSS, not as much as I love my wife, kids, family, crown royal, prime rib or sex but pretty damn close. Comical stuff !

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Trading draft picks when the return is also Marian Hossa would have been brilliant.

Filppula is redundant -- the Red Wings have one pure goal scorer now in Franzen. Unfortunately, the best opportunity to move Filppula is now gone as the more he plays, the more obvious it becomes he has no ability to score goals.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Trading Filppula for just draft pics would be right up there in the worst trades ever. Period. Just straight ******* retarded.

Brilliant and profound arguement.

Oh yeah, that part about Z and D not playing well while centering two diffirent lines? I think having Hossa on one's wing and Franzen on another would solve that problem

[Drake_Marcus 890]

You don't look quite the same without that Ericsson signature

Yeah... but I had to end the curse. So far it's helped Big E and Leino. Tatar's next

If you see TeeMan around tell him to check his PMs.

[gcom007 1,465]

Anything? Like keep three players with longterm contracts into their late 30s (and early 40s)?

If it is between Franzen and Hossa that is a different story, but how many long term deals do we really want?

I do understand that, and it's cause for some concern, though how much and towards who is worth considering.

Honestly, as much as I love the Franzen deal, there's an element of it that scares me too. Franzen's a guy who's really just become a star, and he's also a guy who's dealt with quite a few injuries already (before this year). On top of that, he plays a game that's a bit more physical in nature when he's in front of the net, and that style of play is likely to increase for him once Holmstrom's gone. How will that wear on his body? I don't know, and it concerns me a bit.

I would be a lot less concerned with Hossa because even if his scoring drops off, he's still such a valuable all around player and I think it's likely that he'll be a more durable player than Franzen due to style differences in their games.

But really, though no one intimately involved in the deals would admit it obviously, I doubt any of these guys will play until the end of their contracts...

At the end of the day, I think guys like Hossa, especially for their dollar value, are no-brainer moves. Sure, long-term contracts can be precarious, and it's a gamble, but so is the short term game. I'd rather know I was gambling on a genuine superstar like Hossa and even a budding star like Franzen (especially for <$4 million) than sign all these middle of the road guys that are always hit or more for $3-4 million a season.

Superstars like Hossa and Franzen make the $1 million guys play like $3 million guys as well, so at the end of the day, to me, I'm going to gamble long-term on the surefire stars.

[titanium2 867]

"He could look a little happier..."

is what the TSN announcers said about Z after he scored his 200th career goal.

Sad.

[skyphoenix 153]

If our goaltending plays this bad the rest of the season, we are truly screwed. Both Howard and Ozzy were pretty bad tonight. Not saying that the defense isn't to blame because they definitely had a lot of faults tonight but the goaltending was atrocious.

[Z and D for the C 712]

On the bright side, Calgary got whipped and Anahiem looks like they're going to lose.

[Miss Wing Queen 154]

So, got back from the game . . . We looked so damn slow through the neutral zone, you would have thought we played the night before. And for the record, Luongo was not great; the defense was the difference maker.

Things I noticed:

1. Ericsson looks like a deer caught in headlights every time the puck comes near him. Could we maybe kidnap Sutter when he comes here on Friday and shove Big E onto Nashville?

2. Too many damn Canucks fans at the Joe. I got sick of hearing "Loo" instead of "boos."

3. No heavy hitting tonight, with the exception of right after Ozzie came in. Lilja and Franzen could have both taken it harder to them.

4. I was thinking Babs might pull Howie after 2 but waited until after 4. Ozzie was just as rusty, but it was obvious Howie was shaky from the start.

5. Kronwall's blooper--absolutely lol.

The medal ceremony at the beginning and my great seat were the only good things about the game.

I read an article where Babs talked to the team about if they wanted to make the playoffs. There are those on here that are saying there's no way in hell they are making the playoffs and those that are still holding out hope they will. Neither is the issue. This team has already made that decision. They do not want to make the playoffs. If they did, they would have strove to make long-term changes that would have carried through from the most injury-riddled stretches to now, when they are 99.9% healthy. It's a mental thing with this team. Yeah, the offense is down and for a good part of the year, we played with AHL talent, but in reality, they copped out mentally from the playoff race a long time ago and this just feels like a facade now.

[58Miles2Joe 12]

I'd like to mention that I'm the only one streaming FSD <img src="http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

I noticed that. I wonder if there's a way to get a certain password so I can hear Ken and Mickey...