Original-Six 254 Report post Posted May 20, 2010 I'm not saying enforcers are necessary because I don't think they are I would rather have a few tough guys like Abdelkader, and Nystrom middle weight types that can handle themselves. Thats basically what im trying to get at.You could pay for another Abs with Boogards salary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted May 20, 2010 Pretty much. The regular season isn't meaningless anymore, as we found out this season. The tougher your team is, the tougher the other players on the team who aren't considered physical will play. Just look at Leino in Philly. Babcock himself has talked about the importance of enforcers before. I suppose he's stupid, but the anti-enforcer posters here on LGW know more about hockey than Babcock does when they say things like, "enforcers are useless". Everyone here knows more than the 30 GM's in the league who try to carry enforcers on their team. Yeah and if they dont care true enforcers, every team in the league carrys at least one person that they want to fight. Babcock even told Abdelkader to start fighting more when he got sent down at the end of the season. But yeah I guess Babcock is just stupid and Holland wants to sign a player thats tough to play against(Which basically implies scrappy guy)but yeah those skill lovers on LGW know way more then Kenny and Babcock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 20, 2010 If enforcers are important why do they never get any ice time come playoffs? Educate me. Please tell me how many fights you saw this post season. Like i said in today's NHL enforcers are pretty much useless. Just a waste of cap space. Now if the guy can actually play thats another story. But having a player that can only fight is pretty useless post lockout NHL. Then you should become a GM, because you seem to know more than any of them do when they sign enforcers. You're also smarter than all the coaches who dress them. As for the playoffs, fighting has always been down in the playoffs traditionally. That doesn't mean enforcers are completely useless now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Original-Six 254 Report post Posted May 20, 2010 (edited) Then you should become a GM, because you seem to know more than any of them do when they sign enforcers. You're also smarter than all the coaches who dress them. As for the playoffs, fighting has always been down in the playoffs traditionally. That doesn't mean enforcers are completely useless now. ok i get your idea thats like your 4th post telling me i should be a GM because i know more. but anyways...the point im trying to make is i much rather have a player that can hold there own in fights and dish it out when need be and can actually contribute on the scoreboard to help win games.Abs,Eaves for example. Having a player that just fights is too one dimensional and a waste of cap space imo. And im pretty sure there has been literally no fights this post season and only 2 that i can remember last year. Just saying... Edited May 20, 2010 by Original-Six Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted May 20, 2010 Thats basically what im trying to get at.You could pay for another Abs with Boogards salary. Do we need another Abs? I like the one we have, but why shop for more? We have, especially with the return of Hudler, plenty of skilled guys who can put up points. Let's play a thug on the 4th line 4 minutes a night for the majority of the regular season to help keep the flies off (Babs says it does that), and when playoff time comes reward the best forward in GR with some sweet Wings action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted May 20, 2010 Thats basically what im trying to get at.You could pay for another Abs with Boogards salary. Ya but thats only because Boogaard is established as the toughest guy in the league and Abs is on an entry level contract. With Boogaard money you could also sign another Jason Williams who has talent but is completely useless because he does nothing with it. I would rather have a guy who knows his role on the team and does it perfectly. ok i get your idea thats like your 4th post telling me i should be a GM because i know more. but anyways...the point im trying to make is i much rather have a player that can hold there own in fights and dish it out when need be and can actually contribute on the scoreboard to help win games.Abs,Eaves for example. Having a player that just fights is too one dimensional and a waste of cap space imo. And im pretty sure there has been literally no fights this post season. Just saying... Theres alot of players like that like Koci and Ivanans that I wouldn't want but I wouldn't count boogard as a guy who just fights. He's really not that bad of a player, just because you don't get points on the 4th line doesn't mean you don't do other things well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted May 20, 2010 And im pretty sure there has been literally no fights this post season. I'm certain you're wrong. There haven't been many, perhaps 8-10 or so, but that's because the post-season is different from the regular season. The role of the toughguy is to protect the players, because players that miss the playoffs don't help in the playoffs. I suppose it's also to sell tickets and get people to bother to tune in on TV in November. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 20, 2010 ok i get your idea thats like your 4th post telling me i should be a GM because i know more. but anyways...the point im trying to make is i much rather have a player that can hold there own in fights and dish it out when need be and can actually contribute on the scoreboard to help win games.Abs,Eaves for example. Having a player that just fights is too one dimensional and a waste of cap space imo. And im pretty sure there has been literally no fights this post season. Just saying... Do you really want to see Abs get his ass kicked some more, with no one to back him up? I don't mind keeping guys like Eaves and Abs on the team, but those guys would be much better hitters and grinders with a guy like Boogaard backing them up. They don't need to do the dirty work when someone else can do it for them. They'll probably get hurt eventually if they fight some more, because they suck at it. Besides, like I said earlier, a guy like Torres will be harder to find than a pure enforcer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted May 20, 2010 Plus, if we sign Boogaard for 2 or 3 years, we might be privileged enough to witness him score his milestone 20th NHL point! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted May 21, 2010 no way have you watched peters? he's one of the most dominant physical forces in the nhl. way better than pansies like orr I really hope that was sarcasm. Don't Boggie and Datsyuk have some sort of friendship? Maybe Pavel will lobby for him. That's what i've been thinking.Wouldn't that be amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted May 22, 2010 (edited) Tanner Glass or Shawn Thornton would be perfect if we are looking for someone who can fight and actually knows how to play hockey. If we are looking for a straight up heavyweight Steve MacIntyre is one guy that has a hard time losing fights and if you know a little about Big Mac its hard to dislike the guy. Edited May 22, 2010 by cjm502 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 22, 2010 Tanner Glass or Shawn Thornton would be perfect if we are looking for someone who can fight and actually knows how to play hockey. If we are looking for a straight up heavyweight Steve MacIntyre is one guy that has a hard time losing fights and if you know a little about Big Mac its hard to dislike the guy. MacIntyre might be the best fighter in hockey right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted May 22, 2010 not as good as peters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 22, 2010 not as good as peters Yeah right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted May 22, 2010 whatever you need to tell yourself so you can sleep at night Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted May 23, 2010 not as good as peters Although i wouldn't mind Peters here,he's nowhere near the heavyweight of the league,so i don't know where you're getting that from... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted May 23, 2010 you're right he's nowhere near a heavyweight. he's way above that, all the heavyweights are scared to death of him. you should see guys like orr and carkner skate away like little girls when they see peters get on the ice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 23, 2010 you're right he's nowhere near a heavyweight. he's way above that, all the heavyweights are scared to death of him. you should see guys like orr and carkner skate away like little girls when they see peters get on the ice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcqW8H89Uk4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted May 23, 2010 you're right he's nowhere near a heavyweight. he's way above that, all the heavyweights are scared to death of him. you should see guys like orr and carkner skate away like little girls when they see peters get on the ice. You've gotta be kidding me.there's at least 10 guys in the league right now that could pulverize him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
