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[Finnish Wing 110]

You dont make much sense, hollands been great, what if he didnt go for the skilled euros that helped us win cups?

It was sarcasm.

[Opie 308]

I love how people complain about the Wings drafting/scouting/Free Agent process when this is the most successful org in any sport in the last 20 + years.

How is it again that we as Wings fans get labeled spoiled all the time?

[Puckpossession 3]

It was sarcasm.

sorry it was hard to detect through the internet

I love how people complain about the Wings drafting/scouting/Free Agent process when this is the most successful org in any sport in the last 20 + years.

How is it again that we as Wings fans get labeled spoiled all the time?

Its human, we want to win and we all think we know what were talking about

I love how people complain about the Wings drafting/scouting/Free Agent process when this is the most successful org in any sport in the last 20 + years.

How is it again that we as Wings fans get labeled spoiled all the time?

Also i trust kenny to

[magicaldatsyuk 6]

Stanislav Galiev!!! i live in indiana and he played ffor the indiana ice (junior team) 2 years ago so i think that would be cool to see him as a pro, especially for the red wings!

[Nhurdi 42]

I was just gonna say Stanislav Galiev looks nice too. Needs to bulk up a little but he is around where we will be picking so. Also appears to have a good attitude from what little I have read about him so far.

Director of NHL Central Scouting, E.J. McGuire

“A high-end player, intelligent and responsible at both ends of the ice. He's got good moves and backchecks hard, an all around player. Maybe (similar to) Pavel Datsyuk in the way he chips in for a highly skilled team.”

[magicaldatsyuk 6]

I was just gonna say Stanislav Galiev looks nice too. Needs to bulk up a little but he is around where we will be picking so. Also appears to have a good attitude from what little I have read about him so far.

thats so tight he got compared to datsyuk. idk if i wwould go that far but he is quick and has pretty good handles

[LeftWinger 5,153]

You dont make much sense, hollands been great, what if he didnt go for the skilled euros that helped us win cups?

Leftwinger just got absolutely destroyed, especially because of how strong minded he was about hollands picking decisions.... LOL

Ya, I got destroyed, what are you 12? I can pick out exemtpions as well, let slook at his history of drafts: Butsayev, Fischer, Tosla, Kronwall, Grigorenko, hudler, Howard, Franzen, Kindl, Emmerton, Smith, McCollum, Ferraro.

Ya, thats picking someone like McIlrath if available. The last time we had a pick even near #20. he picked Kindl, who is ONLY gettign a shot becasue he has no AHL options left (how many of you again would have rather had Latendresse?)

Listen I said nothing about the skille European's being bad,I just said that qwhat Holland likes to draft, and even looking over the North AMerican players taken first recently, he likes small skilled North American's too, good on him, but that just is a even bigger indication that if McIlrath is there, he probably won't take him, I hope he does, but his history shows, that is not his type of player. If you can find where I said anything anti-Euorpean in my statement I will gladly edit it out.

Edited May 27, 2010 by LeftWinger

[rick zombo 3,739]

Ya, I got destroyed, what are you 12? I can pick out exemtpions as well, let slook at his history of drafts: Butsayev, Fischer, Tosla, Kronwall, Grigorenko, hudler, Howard, Franzen, Kindl, Emmerton, Smith, McCollum, Ferraro.

Ya, thats picking someone like McIlrath if available. The last time we had a pick even near #20. he picked Kindl, who is ONLY gettign a shot becasue he has no AHL options left (how many of you again would have rather had Latendresse?)

Listen I said nothing about the skille European's being bad,I just said that qwhat Holland likes to draft, and even looking over the North AMerican players taken first recently, he likes small skilled North American's too, good on him, but that just is a even bigger indication that if McIlrath is there, he probably won't take him, I hope he does, but his history shows, that is not his type of player. If you can find where I said anything anti-Euorpean in my statement I will gladly edit it out.

You specifically aimed your comments at the "small skilled euros" that Holland has been drafting. This thread is discussing the 1st round pick. Holland has targeted North Americans with the Wings first selection in the past 4 years. A pretty decent sample group.

This is what you said:

We all know Holland will take a European born player that will stay in the minors until he either goes back home, has no more options or never really develops into a NHL caliber player. We are all smoking pipes if we actually believe Holland will draft McIlrath if available, or any other 6'4ish 220lb North American player. Holland is about small skilled Europeans and thats the bottom line. Just watch who Yzerman drafts, we'll all be wishing Holland retired!

Pretty harsh don't you think? I'm with you as far as McIlrath goes. I'd be surprised if Holland takes him. But if you want to criticize Holland's drafting skills (which you're more than entitled too) maybe you should have made a less pointed initial statement.

The Latendresse reference? The Wings passed up on a "skilled" semi-soft, poor skating, defensively incompetent player from the Q. Guess who they took instead? Abdlekader. A physical two-way forward from Michigan. Holland doesn't always draft for skill.

Edited May 27, 2010 by rick zombo

[Puckpossession 3]

Ya, I got destroyed, what are you 12? I can pick out exemtpions as well, let slook at his history of drafts: Butsayev, Fischer, Tosla, Kronwall, Grigorenko, hudler, Howard, Franzen, Kindl, Emmerton, Smith, McCollum, Ferraro.

Ya, thats picking someone like McIlrath if available. The last time we had a pick even near #20. he picked Kindl, who is ONLY gettign a shot becasue he has no AHL options left (how many of you again would have rather had Latendresse?)

Listen I said nothing about the skille European's being bad,I just said that qwhat Holland likes to draft, and even looking over the North AMerican players taken first recently, he likes small skilled North American's too, good on him, but that just is a even bigger indication that if McIlrath is there, he probably won't take him, I hope he does, but his history shows, that is not his type of player. If you can find where I said anything anti-Euorpean in my statement I will gladly edit it out.

Yea you did get destroyed, what you said just turned back on you completely by facts, what are you 8? You just whipped up a bunch of crap making it seem like holland likes picking ''small skilled euros'' Holland goes after talent, hes not ging to go after someone because they are euro, if they are good he takes them. In the last 4 years none of the players were euros, and you said we are on drugs to think he will pick someone who isnt euro.

Also your post was full of negativity towards the euro players, you said we will all be wishing yzerman was our GM, and also said that we will get a euro that doesnt develop into an NHL caliber player.....

So its not that were singling out anything, but 4 years in a row holland picked non euros, and you made it sound like the world would have to end for holland to pick a north american

Edited May 27, 2010 by Puckpossession

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Yea you did get destroyed, what you said just turned back on you completely by facts, what are you 8? You just whipped up a bunch of crap making it seem like holland likes picking ''small skilled euros'' Holland goes after talent, hes not ging to go after someone because they are euro, if they are good he takes them. In the last 4 years none of the players were euros, and you said we are on drugs to think he will pick someone who isnt euro.

Also your post was full of negativity towards the euro players, you said we will all be wishing yzerman was our GM, and also said that we will get a euro that doesnt develop into an NHL caliber player.....

So its not that were singling out anything, but 4 years in a row holland picked non euros, and you made it sound like the world would have to end for holland to pick a north American

Well, if Holland gets a shot at McIlrath and actually drafts him, then order your Lions Super Bowl tickets, because that will be a miracle. I said noting negative towards European players, show me something that cuts them down in my statement. Look over the past, that is what happens with the players he chooses to draft (and mostly the first rounders or first pick he has.) They spend years in the minors, only to be given a shot when they have no eligibility left OR they go home because they are tired of waiting OR they never develop into NHL caliber players. I can give you examples of all three, Kindl, Liv & Butsayev. Thank you, good night. If this makes you feel better, tons of North AMerican players fall into those spots as well, I supposed its merely ironic that they are all 6' or less and weigh less than 200lbs. as well. Small, skilled players is what he drafts, in the mold of European players. Last season is showing you that drafting small skilled players is catching up to him and biting him in the ass.

Plus I said we'd all be wishing Holland had retired, I never said we'd be wishing Yzerman was our GM.

edit:

Just to prove to you, here are the players that you said destroyed me:

Landon Ferraro 6'0" 171lbs.

McCollum doesn't count, he's a goaltender

Brenden Smith 6'2" 174lbs.

Corey Emmerton 6'0" 190lbs.

Small, skilled players.... Emmerton aint gonna make it. Smith will be there until he has no options left, so will McCollum and Ferraro. But hey, I bet Tartar makes it up here sooner than any of them...

Edited May 27, 2010 by LeftWinger

[LeftWinger 5,153]

You specifically aimed your comments at the "small skilled euros" that Holland has been drafting. This thread is discussing the 1st round pick. Holland has targeted North Americans with the Wings first selection in the past 4 years. A pretty decent sample group.

This is what you said:

Pretty harsh don't you think? I'm with you as far as McIlrath goes. I'd be surprised if Holland takes him. But if you want to criticize Holland's drafting skills (which you're more than entitled too) maybe you should have made a less pointed initial statement.

The Latendresse reference? The Wings passed up on a "skilled" semi-soft, poor skating, defensively incompetent player from the Q. Guess who they took instead? Abdlekader. A physical two-way forward from Michigan. Holland doesn't always draft for skill.

They also took Kindl before that. The "experts" were talking about Latendresse even before Kindl was drafted.

[Puckpossession 3]

Well, if Holland gets a shot at McIlrath and actually drafts him, then order your Lions Super Bowl tickets, because that will be a miracle. I said noting negative towards European players, show me something that cuts them down in my statement. Look over the past, that is what happens with the players he chooses to draft (and mostly the first rounders or first pick he has.) They spend years in the minors, only to be given a shot when they have no eligibility left OR they go home because they are tired of waiting OR they never develop into NHL caliber players. I can give you examples of all three, Kindl, Liv & Butsayev. Thank you, good night. If this makes you feel better, tons of North AMerican players fall into those spots as well, I supposed its merely ironic that they are all 6' or less and weigh less than 200lbs. as well. Small, skilled players is what he drafts, in the mold of European players. Last season is showing you that drafting small skilled players is catching up to him and biting him in the ass.

Plus I said we'd all be wishing Holland had retired, I never said we'd be wishing Yzerman was our GM.

edit:

Just to prove to you, here are the players that you said destroyed me:

Landon Ferraro 6'0" 171lbs.

McCollum doesn't count, he's a goaltender

Brenden Smith 6'2" 174lbs.

Corey Emmerton 6'0" 190lbs.

Small, skilled players.... Emmerton aint gonna make it. Smith will be there until he has no options left, so will McCollum and Ferraro. But hey, I bet Tartar makes it up here sooner than any of them...

what the hell do you want? Are those euros, you were talking about EUROS, you did get destroyed, and our drafting style has gotten us stanley cups over the years so quit complaining. Also the players that got cut out of our team cudnt make the team because the positions were filled for to long, which is reasonable they aren't gonna wait forever.

Also the players size didnt destroy you, its the euro part that did.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

We all know Holland will take a European born player that will stay in the minors until he either goes back home, has no more options or never really develops into a NHL caliber player. We are all smoking pipes if we actually believe Holland will draft McIlrath if available, or any other 6'4ish 220lb North American player. Holland is about small skilled Europeans and thats the bottom line. Just watch who Yzerman drafts, we'll all be wishing Holland retired!

I know! Just look at Holland's recent history with early draft picks-- all small Europeans:

2006 1st round (traded pick)

2006 2nd round (41st overall): Cory Emmerton 6'0" 188lbs (Ontario, Canada)

2006 2nd round (47th overall): Shawn Matthias 6'3" 211lbs (Ontario, Canada)

2007 1st round (27th overall): Brendan Smith 6'2" 190lbs (Ontario, Canada)

2007 2nd round (traded pick)

2008 1st round (30th overall): Thomas McCollum 6'2" 205lbs (NY, USA)

2008 2nd round (traded pick, 3rd round pick used to get 6'3" D-man from USA)

2009 1st round (traded pick)

2009 2nd round (32nd overall): Landon Ferraro 6'0" 171lbs (BC, Canada

2009 2nd round (60th overall): Tomas Tatar 5'10" 179lbs (Dubnica, Slovakia) --> Youngest player in AHL, on fast-track to playing here soon since he signed his entry deal as an 18 year old.

5 of the 6 last 2nd and 1st round picks were on North American skaters of heights between 6'0" and 6'3".

The only exception was picked 60th overall, is considered the best offensive prospect in the organization and has been fast-tracked to the NHL with a draft-year contract signing (you have 3 years to sign draft picks before their rights are lost) and a move to professional hockey at age 18.

Do you ever get tired of being incredibly wrong?

[Puckpossession 3]

I know! Just look at Holland's recent history with early draft picks-- all small Europeans:

2006 1st round (traded pick)

2006 2nd round (41st overall): Cory Emmerton 6'0" 188lbs (Ontario, Canada)

2006 2nd round (47th overall): Shawn Matthias 6'3" 211lbs (Ontario, Canada)

2007 1st round (27th overall): Brendan Smith 6'2" 190lbs (Ontario, Canada)

2007 2nd round (traded pick)

2008 1st round (30th overall): Thomas McCollum 6'2" 205lbs (NY, USA)

2008 2nd round (traded pick, 3rd round pick used to get 6'3" D-man from USA)

2009 1st round (traded pick)

2009 2nd round (32nd overall): Landon Ferraro 6'0" 171lbs (BC, Canada

2009 2nd round (60th overall): Tomas Tatar 5'10" 179lbs (Dubnica, Slovakia) --> Youngest player in AHL, on fast-track to playing here soon since he signed his entry deal as an 18 year old.

5 of the 6 last 2nd and 1st round picks were on North American skaters of heights between 6'0" and 6'3".

The only exception was picked 60th overall, is considered the best offensive prospect in the organization and has been fast-tracked to the NHL with a draft-year contract signing (you have 3 years to sign draft picks before their rights are lost) and a move to professional hockey at age 18.

Do you ever get tired of being incredibly wrong?

Ye he cant seem to understand that his statement is completely wrong, acts like this only happens to our organization, and sort of forgets that unlike other teams, WE MAKE THE FRIKEN PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR, OUR TALENT IS ALWAYS UP THERE, MAKING IT HARDER FOR OUR PROSPECTS TO GET IN RIGHT AWAY!

[Buppy 1,720]

Speaking of Euros, anyone know where to find info on all the European skaters? It's hard to judge a player on just the stat lines, especially without a frame of reference for good performance in all those foreign leagues.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

From TSN :

You can see the blood, sweat and tears. You can feel the tension. Yes, when all those factors are present, it must be that time of year again: the NHL Combine.

The top 100 draft-eligible players are set to convene in Toronto on Friday and Saturday for the 2010 edition, for what promises to be a rigorous series of physical, mental and medical tests.

The spotlight will be primarily on Windsor Spitfires forward Taylor Hall and Plymouth Whalers centre Tyler Seguin - one of whom will likely go as the No. 1 pick at the NHL Draft in June - but there will be several other names of note in attendance as well, like Cam Fowler, Erik Gudbranson, goaltenders Calvin Pickard and Jack Campbell, and more domestic and international hopefuls.

TSN.ca has got you covered with real-time updates; you can follow all the action from the 2010 NHL Combine with the Live Combine Blog and video webisodes all day on Friday. Then, tune in to TSN2 at 4pm et/1pm pt, or TSN at 7:30pm et/ 4:30pm pt, for television coverage. Hosted by NHL ON TSN's Gord Miller, TSN's NHL Scouting Combine special will be live from the Combine floor. Miller will be joined by Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie along with former NHL executive Craig Button.

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The 2010 NHL Entry Draft will be held on June 25th and 26th at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.

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From TSN :

TSN has great ongoing coverage and a live blog all about the combine. Bob Mackenzie was on there earlier answering questions and giving updates.