russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I know I'm in the minority here but I really feel that number is way too high and will prove to be VERY costly when we try to make additions to the team in the off-season. It's alright, I'll just be able to once again say "I told you so" when the board starts flipping out over the lower than expected stats Lids will have next season. Come on Lids.....you've essentially been making 7+ mil every season for the last 10 years. You couldn't take one for the team just this once? Rafalski...that is the costly contract... Lidstrom is the best defenseman on the team...the best player on the team...and one of the best defenseman in the NHL...If its slightly under 6 million than he isnt een the highest paid defenseman on the team... Lidstrom could h ave gotten MORE money than last year if he went UFA. Coming back at 6 million is still a pay cut. 1 MidMichSteve reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Hudler's deal is fair (not great for the Wings, but not bad), Williams isn't going to be here anyway, Bertuzzi has stated publicly money won't be an issue and wants only to re-sign in Detroit, and your Homer comment is BS. You have no clue what he's willing to sign for given term. Helm, Miller and Eaves are all RFA's, with Helm likely being the only one Kenny won't let go if push came to shove. You're being melodramatic...once again. mindfly doesn't like logic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I know I'm in the minority here but I really feel that number is way too high and will prove to be VERY costly when we try to make additions to the team in the off-season. It's alright, I'll just be able to once again say "I told you so" when the board starts flipping out over the lower than expected stats Lids will have next season. Come on Lids.....you've essentially been making 7+ mil every season for the last 10 years. You couldn't take one for the team just this once? Right or wrong, I don't think Holland had the intention of making many additions unless Nick retired this summer. The plan all along seemed to be bring back Hudler, keep all of the free agents besides Williams and Lebda, and possibly add a 3rd/4th line player. All of this can still be achieved even with Nick taking six million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Right or wrong, I don't think Holland had the intention of making many additions unless Nick retired this summer. The plan all along seemed to be bring back Hudler, keep all of the free agents besides Williams and Lebda, and possibly add a 3rd/4th line player. All of this can still be achieved even with Nick taking six million. dead on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Hudler's deal is fair (not a steal for the Wings, but not bad), Williams isn't going to be here anyway, Bertuzzi has stated publicly money won't be an issue and wants only to re-sign in Detroit, and your Homer comment is BS. You have no clue what he's willing to sign for given term. Helm, Miller and Eaves are all RFA's, with Helm likely being the only one Kenny won't let go if push came to shove. Do they have enough to go out and grab Kovalchuk: No. Are they in fine shape to re-sign most if not all: Absolutely. You're being melodramatic...once again. It was a report with Holmstrom's agent stating what i've just said, they are RFA's yes but i think there's a thing in the CBA that rules that they must get a raise after some time... so if eaves made 500k he gotta atleast have 750k this year or something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I know I'm in the minority here but I really feel that number is way too high and will prove to be VERY costly when we try to make additions to the team in the off-season. It's alright, I'll just be able to once again say "I told you so" when the board starts flipping out over the lower than expected stats Lids will have next season. Come on Lids.....you've essentially been making 7+ mil every season for the last 10 years. You couldn't take one for the team just this once? Look how easy that is to say when its someone else's money. 2 SiLkK19 and Edillac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) uh oh... freep.com is now reporting it is 7 million I REALLY hope this isn't true - http://www.freep.com/article/20100601/SPORTS05/100601016/1319/Source-Nicklas-Lidstrom-returning-to-Red-Wings Even if this is true - I'd rather this than no Nick, but this is basically no discount and disappointing if true... Edited June 1, 2010 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Pronger and Keith are in the category as lidstrom, keith is 27 and will win the norris this year, he has a 5.5m caphit, pronger's caphit is 4.9m next season at age 36... It's very fair to say they are atleast equally good, probably better, and they make less than lidstrom.. therefore i can't be happy about a 6m caphit, the team wont be able to sign a third liner, at best a 850k fourth liner or something, You can pick and choose good/bad deals all over and make them fit your argument. Is Jeff Finger comparable to Brad Stuart? Should Brian Campbell be making more than Duncan Keith? Lidstrom did take a discount when you look at his value still and what teams would pay him on the open market. It's a one year deal anyways - not really a fair comparision to Pronger's seven and Keith's 13 year deal. 1 Edillac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Can't Williams and Lebda be forced to hand Lidstrom some money contractually? That way we can pay Lidstrom like 3 million a year, and those guys will be forced to chip in some of their salary on top of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 uh oh... freep.com is now reporting it is 7 million I REALLY hope this isn't true - http://www.freep.com/article/20100601/SPORTS05/100601016/1319/Source-Nicklas-Lidstrom-returning-to-Red-Wings Even if this is true - I'd rather this than no Nick, but this is basically no discount and disappointing if true... If this is true I will be royally disappointed and we can kiss next season goodbye. 1 wingsownnhl43 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 With the cap going up by a couple million $6 mil is fine. If he knew this was his last year, he could sign a two year deal worth $8 mil and have it front loaded with $7 mil in the first year. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 It was a report with Holmstrom's agent stating what i've just said, they are RFA's yes but i think there's a thing in the CBA that rules that they must get a raise after some time... so if eaves made 500k he gotta atleast have 750k this year or something... Once again, you have no clue what he's willing to sign for given term. Homer had a great season, but he's nearing the end of his career and his body isn't getting any healthier. What his agent said is what's known as "posturing" nothing more. Kenny will sit down with them and lay the facts out before them, and its absolutely insane to think Homer would raise a stink or bolt (no pun intended) over a few hundred thousand dollars. It was a report with Holmstrom's agent stating what i've just said, they are RFA's yes but i think there's a thing in the CBA that rules that they must get a raise after some time... so if eaves made 500k he gotta atleast have 750k this year or something... Show me that clause. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Keep in mind the difference in the league maximum between Nick's last contract and whatever this contract is as well. He is much further under the league max than he had been with the last contract. Thus comparatively it is more of a pay cut to what he could make on the open market that the last one was as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 It's been talked about here on LGW maybe it was Drake_Marcus or Mack_Attack who wrote about it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 If this is true I will be royally disappointed and we can kiss next season goodbye. How does that logic work??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Keep in mind the difference in the league maximum between Nick's last contract and whatever this contract is as well. He is much further under the league max than he had been with the last contract. Thus comparatively it is more of a pay cut to what he could make on the open market that the last one was as well... No, No, No....he's a greedy Swede who's made no sacrifices over the course of his career! [/sarcasm] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 How does that logic work??? I was thinking the same thing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) How does that logic work??? Because they will be forced to put the same team on the ice as last season (+hudler) and that FOR SURE won't be enough for a championship season. Edited June 1, 2010 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Because they will be forced to put the same team on the ice as last season (+hudler) and that FOR SURE won't be enough for a championship season. [sarcasm]you're right, because we weren't HORRIBLY banged up last year [/sarcasm] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 It's been talked about here on LGW maybe it was Drake_Marcus or Mack_Attack who wrote about it Even if it was the case, which I'm not certain it is (again, dig it up if you want to use it in an argument as fact), it's not going to be earth-shattering amounts. The Wings don't have tons of cap room next year, but they do have enough to give the guys they want to keep a slight raise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 [sarcasm]you're right, because we weren't HORRIBLY banged up last year [/sarcasm] They weren't banged up in the playoffs... 1 2guns reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I was thinking the same thing... I was referring to if the contract is 7 million. Amazing defenseman or not, at his age, does he really deserve to be making a million + more than Green, Pronger and Boyle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Because they will be forced to put the same team on the ice as last season (+hudler) and that FOR SURE won't be enough for a championship season. I don't agree with that. I think that they could contend for the cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I know I'm in the minority here but I really feel that number is way too high and will prove to be VERY costly when we try to make additions to the team in the off-season. It's alright, I'll just be able to once again say "I told you so" when the board starts flipping out over the lower than expected stats Lids will have next season. Come on Lids.....you've essentially been making 7+ mil every season for the last 10 years. You couldn't take one for the team just this once? Couldn’t have put it better myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Because they will be forced to put the same team on the ice as last season (+hudler) and that FOR SURE won't be enough for a championship season. Yeah, that almost identical roster certainly sucked in 2008. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites