Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted May 31, 2011 For under 1.25, he's a great 5-6 DMan. For 2-3.5mil, he's a terrible 4-6 DMan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) For under 1.25, he's a great 5-6 DMan. For 2-3.5mil, he's a terrible 4-6 DMan. And for 1.25-1.75, he's a #5/6 d-man at a reasonable price if we can't find anything better for the role. Yes? In my opinion, Ericsson still has some room to grow: he's a later bloomer, he's a large guy, and he's a d-man. All of this could equate to a player that doesn't hit his prime until 30. If everything comes together for him, he could be a respectable #4. The biggest issue currently is a matter of where to put him. He's solid defensively when he's not consistently the last line of defense, so you can't put him with a risk-taker. Likewise, he needs someone reliable to let him jump up for his offense. At the same time, his partner has to be reasonably reliable offensively to carry the pairing during a slump. This makes a guy with balanced offense and defense like Lidstrom a perfect partner for him, but it just so happens our guy like that is ******* amazing and our #1 d-man. Ericsson is not top pairing qualtiy at this time. Lidstrom is the only guy we've really had like that (Kronwall is more offensively oriented; his offense from jumping into the play is lethal, making a defensively-oriented partner ideal for him. Stuart doesn't have the offense. Rafalski wasn't reliable defensively. Salei definitely didn't have the offense). Hpwever, if the Wings can acquire a d-man to play on the right side of Kronwall that's of sufficient quality, that may be different this next year. I think the Wings are looking at a point where Lidstrom's numbers can be toned back, and likewise Kronwall can take on more responsibilities. They can share a 1a/1b role when it comes to overall minutes. Kronwall's partner can be someone that logs #3 minutes. Stuart can anchor the bottom pairing, providing a steady partner for Kindl, even while he gets double shifted on defensive minutes and eats crazy PK time to give him similar #3 minutes. This leaves Ericsson as a solid choice for Lidstrom's partner, and it just so happens that's the style of d-man Ericsson needs to play next to. Pairings (sorted descending by ES icetime as a pairing) Kronwall | ???? Lidstrom | Ericsson Stuart | Kindl PK icetime (descending) Stuart ???? Lidstrom/Kronwall/Ericsson Kindl PP icetime Lidstrom Kronwall ???? Ericsson/Kindl/Stuart ES icetime Kronwall Lidstrom ???? Stuart Ericsson Kindl Total icetime Lidstrom/Kronwall ????/Stuart Ericsson Kindl If the right person can be acquired to fill "????" I'm quite fine with that arrangement. If he cannot, or if Ericsson cannot be had for a reasonable contract, I would prefer 2 new acquistions, both of 2nd pairing (or better) quality. Edited May 31, 2011 by Datsyerberger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted May 31, 2011 I appreciate Jonathan Ericsson as a Detroit Red Wing. I also appreciate that if Jonathan Ericsson wants anything more than 2 mil a year I'll happily drive him to the airport myself and wish him all the best in Holmstrom swedeglish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted May 31, 2011 And for 1.25-1.75, he's a #5/6 d-man at a reasonable price if we can't find anything better for the role. Yes? In my opinion, Ericsson still has some room to grow: he's a later bloomer, he's a large guy, and he's a d-man. All of this could equate to a player that doesn't hit his prime until 30. If everything comes together for him, he could be a respectable #4. The biggest issue currently is a matter of where to put him. He's solid defensively when he's not consistently the last line of defense, so you can't put him with a risk-taker. Likewise, he needs someone reliable to let him jump up for his offense. At the same time, his partner has to be reasonably reliable offensively to carry the pairing during a slump. This makes a guy with balanced offense and defense like Lidstrom a perfect partner for him, but it just so happens our guy like that is ******* amazing and our #1 d-man. Ericsson is not top pairing qualtiy at this time. Lidstrom is the only guy we've really had like that (Kronwall is more offensively oriented; his offense from jumping into the play is lethal, making a defensively-oriented partner ideal for him. Stuart doesn't have the offense. Rafalski wasn't reliable defensively. Salei definitely didn't have the offense). Hpwever, if the Wings can acquire a d-man to play on the right side of Kronwall that's of sufficient quality, that may be different this next year. I think the Wings are looking at a point where Lidstrom's numbers can be toned back, and likewise Kronwall can take on more responsibilities. They can share a 1a/1b role when it comes to overall minutes. Kronwall's partner can be someone that logs #3 minutes. Stuart can anchor the bottom pairing, providing a steady partner for Kindl, even while he gets double shifted on defensive minutes and eats crazy PK time to give him similar #3 minutes. This leaves Ericsson as a solid choice for Lidstrom's partner, and it just so happens that's the style of d-man Ericsson needs to play next to. Pairings (sorted descending by ES icetime as a pairing) Kronwall | ???? Lidstrom | Ericsson Stuart | Kindl PK icetime (descending) Stuart ???? Lidstrom/Kronwall/Ericsson Kindl PP icetime Lidstrom Kronwall ???? Ericsson/Kindl/Stuart ES icetime Kronwall Lidstrom ???? Stuart Ericsson Kindl Total icetime Lidstrom/Kronwall ????/Stuart Ericsson Kindl If the right person can be acquired to fill "????" I'm quite fine with that arrangement. If he cannot, or if Ericsson cannot be had for a reasonable contract, I would prefer 2 new acquistions, both of 2nd pairing (or better) quality. Good post. I think Ericsson re-signs (for more than some believe he's worth), but will be put in an effective role that serves his purpose. They guy is a good defenseman, skates well and has a bomb of a shot. His knocks on him now use to be a non-issue. His first pass and easily getting pressured. I don't know what 'flipped the switch' for him to lose so much confidence, but hopefully he regains it and becomes the defenseman we all know he's capable of becoming. I would feel comfortable with him on the 2nd paring right now. He logs lots of minutes and is a great PKer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
